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Jan 6, 2003, 05:39 AM
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What micron?
What micron is the AthlonXP 1600+ AGOIA stepping?
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:11 AM
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.18 microns (180 nanometers), meaning that the smallest feature on the chip is that size...
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:14 AM
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.13 is better right?
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:22 AM
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Not better - smaller. And smaller tends to be cooler and overclock more. But not better for everything - its more expensive to make for AMD, more prone to electrostatic discharge and that sort of thing (though if AMD did their job there wouldn't be much of a concern...)
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:43 AM
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Thanks a lot.
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:58 AM
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No problem - but watch out Dom - in that other PS2 adapter thread, you triple posted. I didn't want to double post to say anything about it, but in general, you really should just edit your first post...
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Jan 6, 2003, 08:59 AM
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Jan 6, 2003, 05:33 PM
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Well, ok, but I feel that even though they were 3 different points, they should be together in the same post unless they are reasonably long posts on very different points posted at somewhat different times... but that's just me. It's really up to you to do whatever you want to...
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Jan 6, 2003, 05:36 PM
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Toshiro, you're actually wrong about .13 chips being more expensive. While, initially, implementing the fabrication technology IS expensive, it is actually cheaper to produce .13 chip in the long run because they --surprise, suprise-- don't take as much silicon to make. And the less silicon they use, the more chips AMD can fab' from a single wafer.
And, Dom, don't forget that there ARE .13 micron 1600+s. |
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Jan 6, 2003, 05:44 PM
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The technology itself is expensive, and that was what I was refering to - I wasn't really thinking about overall cost of silicon per transistor when I posted that, but you are right - in the long run, it will be cheaper per transistor to make under the .13 process... And though there are .13 micron 1600+s, I know for a fact that AGOIA is a Palomino stepping...
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Jan 6, 2003, 05:49 PM
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Jan 6, 2003, 05:57 PM
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:00 PM
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If AGOIA stepping's are Palomino's, then I won't get a AGOIA stepping.
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:14 PM
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Well, AGOIA are most definitely Palominos - though I'm sure that you can find other stepping 1600's, including .13 micron ones (I'm not sure about what stepping those are though I'm sure I can go find out what those are...)
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Jan 6, 2003, 06:46 PM
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Toshiro is right on this one. I think AGOIA is a strictly Palomino designation. And, as such, would mean the chips are all .18
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Jan 6, 2003, 07:14 PM
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 I'm always right!  But I am most definitely sure that the AGOIA's are Palomino only... Just go for a T-bred processor instead of an AGOIA, they will overclock much better, run cooler, and overall be a better investment ToshiroOC |
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