Ceramique or Silver?

Logla

Can anyone tell me what they reckon is better for cooling. I only want to know about cooling properties in the real work. I know that ceramique is not conductive (which is why I'm interested in it) but I want to know which cools better.

drakesteakn

i personally use artic silver. it does a great job. Artic silver is not conductive, so they say. but it still has the possibility that it could happen.

toddsmack2k

I usually stick with Ceramique. Plus it is the best choice for replacing the factory gunk that comes on most graphics cards.

scobywhru

PCM+ Has better Cooling properties then Ceramique but is None Conductive, and in many instances work better the AS, except for Sub zero temps, the Silver in AS actually cause the gap between the Heatsink and CPU/GPU to be bigger then Ceramique and thats why you see some reviews with Ceramique being better then AS or at the same level, PCM+ is actually placed on with an eye dropper so it can go on thinner then anything else and still fill in all the cracks and whatnot on the 2 surfaces giving greater cooling, just something you might want to look into, it isn't as big as AS but it seems like a better product

The_Neon_Cowboy

ceramique is not condctive

as5 is conductive and acrodding to amd voids your warranty!!!!!

as5 is about 1 C cooler then ceramique it not worth it!

get ceramique
is not only good is super cheap ....

$7.50 22gram surenge (does about about 150 cpus )
http://www.bestbyte.net/Product.cfm?...yID=7&Keyword=

mainman

Well, im currently using AS5 and my temps are way up, dont know whats wrong, but im getting 56ºC full load whith stock intel HSF when with stock intel paste and HSF i used to get 45ºC full load...i recently changed mobo from MSI SIS 648Max to Abit IC7 dont know if it has something to do with it...any ideas???

scobywhru

Most MB's report different Temperaturesso the difference between the AS and the stock coolers TIM might just be hidden by the differences, only way to really tell is with an independant measuring device

EDIT: 500th Post

mainman

Well i sure hope that this is the case, will do some testing later...thanks for the heads up.


Ohhhh, congrats on the 500 Post, now you can have a nice avatar instead of just imagening it...

The_Neon_Cowboy

and are you putting it on right? did you lap it first?

mainman

Yes i removed the TiM from the HSF and cpu, cleaned it up and then aplied the AS5 following the instructions on the AS5 site. What do you mean with laped?

The_Neon_Cowboy

the website instections are poor.. thier noot a good way of applying it

as for lapping it's finely sanding the bottom to a perfect flatness

toddsmack2k

Lapping can be done using The DH Guide To Lapping A Heatsink

MIG-31

dug up this guide on heatsink lapping by roadee. here


edit:toddsmack2k got there first.

mainman

Thanks for all the help guys i have to get back to you guys tomorrow, i really want this thing fixed.
Leaving work know, thanks for the help!!!

germanjulian

And this from a MOD.

as3 was conductive and thats why as5 is made non conductive. please note that no compound should ever touch electrical traces. if your to stupid to apply thermal compounds dont do it. the stuff goes onto the cpu not around it!


AS5 is the better paste. No doubt about it.
PLEASE NOTE
that both pastes need a burning in period. HERES THE THING! ceramique needs about 24hours to archive that and AS5 needs about 200hours. -> that included heating up and cooling down to room temp. note that with ceramique you will notice about 1C temp drop but with AS5 you will notice a 2C temp drop when having burned in. (own experience and from somebody else from overclockers.com form)

I have used both. I used ceramique for 4 months and now I am using AS5, my temps dropped by 3C!!!

the got the small tube of AS5 and have done 2CPU applications with it and one Zalman graphics card heatpipe as well. thats a lot of paste.

also not that you apply very very very little paste. Read the dam application instructions

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_s...structions.htm

all you need is HALF a rice grain of compound on your amd cpu!! and a dot dont spread it FOR AS5. read the instruction manual for your paste


thats true but the heat conductivity is far greater for AS5 then ceramique and the only reason why 80% of reviews say that ceramique archives lower temps is that no site has time to burn in the paste.

Artic silver would have not released AS5 if ceramique was better.

toddsmack2k

germanjulian, You are taking this to heart a little arent ya?

Logla

Thanks for the replies guys. I think I'm going to go the ceramique route for now. The AS5 is just too expensive for just a 1 or 2 degree temp decrease. I might just go AS5 when I finally get my watercooling setup this year. Thats going to cost about 300quid so I might as well spend a little more and get the most out of it.

BWX

I used to use AS3 because to me it was the best. After a few close calls and paranoia about the stuff getting on the wrong place and wrecking my expensive hardware, I switched to AS Ceramique. In my testing, I have actually seen lower temps from Ceramique than I did with AS3. I never got any AS5 because Ceramique works good enough for me. I use it on every PC I build and I also have it on my 9700 pro.
Unless you are going for soem kind of record or something, ASC will work just fine and it's ALLOT easier to use- cleanup and application are stress free. And yes I think AS5 is conductive, if it is "capacitive" then it's conductive enough for me not to use it. Just use ASC.




drakesteakn says:
"i personally use artic silver. it does a great job. Artic silver is not conductive, so they say. but it still has the possibility that it could happen."


Um, they are BOTH made by arctic silver-

lol- your answer would be like someone asking, "do you like Porsche Boxters OR 911's?"
And you answer: "yes, I like Porsches"... LOL anyway....

swimtech

An aside:

I've replace a few mainboards in Apple products over the past year (Imacs mainly), and they send a little tube of a ceramique type (generically labelled) paste with the board (for coupling the heat from a heat pipe ass'y to the metal of the case itself - the engineering of their cases is superb!). If it's good enough for them...

germanjulian

2C to 4C is quiete a difference between paste. you could just go stock and safe yourself 7C I mean its only 7C isnt it?! sorry but thats the point. you asked whats better and 2 to 3C is quite a bit

BWX

Just because it's white goop doesn't mean it's like Ceramique- in fact, the color is probably where the similarities end. It's probably just generic white silicone goop- And if it's generically labeled it's definitely not ASC or anything like it..

swimtech

I've seen a lot of white silicone goops in my time and the texture of this stuff is very different, and it's gray...

scobywhru

I still don't see why so many people use AS5 except in Sub Zero temperatures its 1-2 degrees better then AS3 but Nanotherm PCM+ beats it by 5 C and is None Conductive its better then almost anything else out there. I don't know any reviews comparing PCM+ to AS5 but it was extensively tested against AS3 and one review is http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...340&articID=98 direct link to graph

EDIT: Not trying to put any one down just want to let people know there is better out there, so don't get caught up in the marketing

Roadee

Bud, for one.....Neon is a Gold Member......not a Mod. Your responses in this thread are taking things WAY to far, and your comments are considered personal attacks, in which are against forum rules, so I am sure that you will not be taking things personal again

Now as for the debate here on which is better..... I would have to say that AS5 is better temp wise. But unless you are using it for extreme water cooling w/peltiers or maybe using VC, it really isn't worth the extra cost compared to ceramique. The difference in temps between the 2 wont do you any good unless you are trying to squeeze everything out of your system......that is volt modded at least.......and you are trying for a world record that will just be beat shortly after

My vote goes to ceramique.......hands down.

germanjulian.....in the future......you WILL be more socially friendly in your responses on this forum. And YES I am a MOD.

Thank you and have a nice day

The_Neon_Cowboy

first off the qoute is from the Artic silver website... and has been then since artic silever II was released!!!! It's a bit misleading....



Something cannot be capacitive! with out being conductive and remember were dealing with 99.9% silver and silver is more conductive the raw copper!

It might have a high resistance but I assure as5 is quite conductive


Ceramique ,
22 gram Syringe $7.50
(thats enough for one tube will cover approximately 20 square inches)
(in amd cpu terms thats enough about well over 100 cpus )

Arctic Silver 5,
3.5gram Syringe $5.00
(in amd cpu terms thats enough about well over 20 cpus )
Arctic Silver wieghs more so your getting less