upgrade advice needed

Bart1987 · Dec 12, 2003, 10:02 AM

I want to upgrade my systems cpu, does it improve much if I replace a xp2400+ for a 3000+ (fsb 333+/ or would a FSB of 400Mhz be better) My system is in my sign. I don't want to OC, so would it be worth the money or would it be better to wait until the prices have dropped further.

Bart

Bane the ECF · Dec 13, 2003, 02:24 AM

Why don't you just overclock your stock 2400+ to 200x11? Is it a TbredB?

Bart1987 · Dec 13, 2003, 07:38 AM

I don't want to OC, because i'm afraid i will damage it. And then I will have to buy a new one. It is a tbred-b

Bane the ECF · Dec 14, 2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bart1987
I don't want to OC, because i'm afraid i will damage it. And then I will have to buy a new one. It is a tbred-b

Well, you have PC-2700 RAM, so you may not get 200MHz FSB out of your system, but if you're already committing to invest money into a new CPU, there's no loss in trying to raise your multipliers some if you have a decente (non-stock) cooling solution.

Regardless, I don't personally think the performance benefit of upgrading from 2400+ to 3000+ is worth the expense in purchasing one.

Bane

blade5545 · Dec 14, 2003, 06:17 PM

Normally I would tell you to overclock look at my signature I have been running like that for over a year, but in your case its your motherboard which is holding you back sine the 1.0 revisons will never get to 200mhz fsb the 2.0 will with no problems. So in your case you can either raise the multiplier and save yourself the money or buy the faster cpu but unless you do some heavy duty processing you wont notice much diffrence.

Necrosis · Dec 14, 2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by blade5545
Normally I would tell you to overclock look at my signature I have been running like that for over a year, but in your case its your motherboard which is holding you back sine the 1.0 revisons will never get to 200mhz fsb the 2.0 will with no problems. So in your case you can either raise the multiplier and save yourself the money or buy the faster cpu but unless you do some heavy duty processing you wont notice much diffrence.

Hmm..well not entirely true his board is more likely to hit 200MHz FSB than my board & look what I'm running at. However, your ram indeed is holding you back. I honestly think your not going to see much of an improvement with a newer processor. You might want to think about upgrading your ram instead so you can have tighter timings, and do a very moderate OC on your processor to achieve what your looking for.

tastyweat · Dec 14, 2003, 06:33 PM

If you don't want to OC, then go with the 400fsb AXP 3200, but I don't think that your motherboard supports it, plus there is the case of your ram... So... your best bet would be either the 2800 or 3000, I would actually say the 2800 as it is much better value for money, then you can spend the leftover on something snazzy!

**Roadee** · Dec 14, 2003, 07:07 PM

You really wont see much of a difference, though your benchmarks will show a nice improvement. That revision MB is limited to the 333 fsb CPU's. If you want a little improvement just OC it up to a 166 fsb. Otherwise I would say to just save your money and buy a new motherboard and AMD 64 CPU. Then you will see a nice improvement. And prices will be getting lower in the next 2 months. When Intel releases it's Prescott........you can just about count on a price war VS performance.

Bart1987 · Dec 15, 2003, 09:02 AM

My motherboard does support the xp3200+ but i'll have to flash my bios to version 1004 or higher. Which I have already done.
And I have corsair twinx 2x256MB cas2,2,2,5 @333FSB (it's now running at 266FSB (cas2,2,2,4) because my cpu FSB is 266). My memory would run 200MHz at cas 3,3,3,6.And theoretically my motherboard can do a fsb of 466. And I do have stock cooling, the temerature rises to about 56 degrees celsius (133 degrees fahrenheit) while playing games for a couple of hours. While it is idle it is 47 degrees celsius (116,6 degrees fahrenheit).

Matth · Dec 15, 2003, 04:13 PM

I'll go out on a limb and say:

"I doubt that you'll get an improvement you can feel - measure certainly, but not feel".

If it goes absolutely speed for speed, then a 3200+ from a 2400+ would (for example) save you 15 minutes in the hour on a media encoding task (and that's probably the BEST example, as that's one of the few things which is ALWAYS dependent on CPU speed).

Would you have bothered upgrading from a Pentium 100 to a Pentium 133 - because that's the ratio you're talking about, and that's if you go all the way to the 3200+!

The vast numbers of speeds available, actually span what would have been just a couple of steps in the old days!

DangerMouse18 · Dec 17, 2003, 07:56 PM

I'm not a fan of AMD, but I'd say that the performance increase isn't worth the money it'll cost to upgrade. You'd be better changing something else if you want better performance. Faster/more RAM say?

Bart1987 · Dec 18, 2003, 11:03 AM

Faster ram wont change anything, if I change my memory clock to a setting higher than the FSB of my processor it will work slower, and I already have low latency ram. More ram would only help shortening the loading time. and I would only buy new low latency memory, and if I would buy 1GB og low latency ram it would cost way to much and it would hardly increase the performance. So I wont buy new ram. I've also decided to not buy anything, I'll wait till summer/autumn, maybe even next winter, and buy a new pc.

Dec 12, 2003, 10:02 AM	#1
Bart1987 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 634 Rep Power: 0	upgrade advice needed I want to upgrade my systems cpu, does it improve much if I replace a xp2400+ for a 3000+ (fsb 333+/ or would a FSB of 400Mhz be better) My system is in my sign. I don't want to OC, so would it be worth the money or would it be better to wait until the prices have dropped further. Bart

Dec 13, 2003, 02:24 AM	#2
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Dec 13, 2003, 07:38 AM	#3
Bart1987 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 634 Rep Power: 0	I don't want to OC, because i'm afraid i will damage it. And then I will have to buy a new one. It is a tbred-b Last edited by Bart1987; Dec 13, 2003 at 07:46 AM.

Dec 14, 2003, 06:17 PM	#5
blade5545 Shoots first ask's questions later Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Austin,TX Posts: 330 Rep Power: 0	Normally I would tell you to overclock look at my signature I have been running like that for over a year, but in your case its your motherboard which is holding you back sine the 1.0 revisons will never get to 200mhz fsb the 2.0 will with no problems. So in your case you can either raise the multiplier and save yourself the money or buy the faster cpu but unless you do some heavy duty processing you wont notice much diffrence. __________________ Dell Inspiron 700m 2 ghz Intel Mobile 2mb L2 cache 12.1 Ultrabrite 1.25 gig ram 80gig hdd 8x DVD-RW 4.5lbs 1.5" thick 5 hours battery DFI NF4 Ultra - D AMD Winchester 64 3200+ @4125+ 2.62ghz sold Swiftech H20-120-BB REV. 3 LIQUID COOLING KIT 2x512 OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel sold Platinum Rev 2 OCZ POWERSTREAM 520W sold ATI X700 PRO SEAGATE 160GIG SATA Windows XP PRO SP2 / PearPC - Apple OS X 10.2 Unknown "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself."

Dec 14, 2003, 06:33 PM	#7
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,776 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	If you don't want to OC, then go with the 400fsb AXP 3200, but I don't think that your motherboard supports it, plus there is the case of your ram... So... your best bet would be either the 2800 or 3000, I would actually say the 2800 as it is much better value for money, then you can spend the leftover on something snazzy! __________________

Dec 14, 2003, 07:07 PM	#8
Roadee Never forgotten Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rest In peace, Joe. Posts: 2,202 Rep Power: 54	You really wont see much of a difference, though your benchmarks will show a nice improvement. That revision MB is limited to the 333 fsb CPU's. If you want a little improvement just OC it up to a 166 fsb. Otherwise I would say to just save your money and buy a new motherboard and AMD 64 CPU. Then you will see a nice improvement. And prices will be getting lower in the next 2 months. When Intel releases it's Prescott........you can just about count on a price war VS performance. __________________ We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

Dec 15, 2003, 09:02 AM	#9
Bart1987 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 634 Rep Power: 0	My motherboard does support the xp3200+ but i'll have to flash my bios to version 1004 or higher. Which I have already done. And I have corsair twinx 2x256MB cas2,2,2,5 @333FSB (it's now running at 266FSB (cas2,2,2,4) because my cpu FSB is 266). My memory would run 200MHz at cas 3,3,3,6.And theoretically my motherboard can do a fsb of 466. And I do have stock cooling, the temerature rises to about 56 degrees celsius (133 degrees fahrenheit) while playing games for a couple of hours. While it is idle it is 47 degrees celsius (116,6 degrees fahrenheit). Last edited by Bart1987; Dec 15, 2003 at 09:11 AM.

Dec 15, 2003, 04:13 PM	#10
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	I'll go out on a limb and say: "I doubt that you'll get an improvement you can feel - measure certainly, but not feel". If it goes absolutely speed for speed, then a 3200+ from a 2400+ would (for example) save you 15 minutes in the hour on a media encoding task (and that's probably the BEST example, as that's one of the few things which is ALWAYS dependent on CPU speed). Would you have bothered upgrading from a Pentium 100 to a Pentium 133 - because that's the ratio you're talking about, and that's if you go all the way to the 3200+! The vast numbers of speeds available, actually span what would have been just a couple of steps in the old days!

Dec 17, 2003, 07:56 PM	#11
DangerMouse18 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	I wouldn't.. I'm not a fan of AMD, but I'd say that the performance increase isn't worth the money it'll cost to upgrade. You'd be better changing something else if you want better performance. Faster/more RAM say?

Dec 18, 2003, 11:03 AM	#12
Bart1987 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 634 Rep Power: 0	Faster ram wont change anything, if I change my memory clock to a setting higher than the FSB of my processor it will work slower, and I already have low latency ram. More ram would only help shortening the loading time. and I would only buy new low latency memory, and if I would buy 1GB og low latency ram it would cost way to much and it would hardly increase the performance. So I wont buy new ram. I've also decided to not buy anything, I'll wait till summer/autumn, maybe even next winter, and buy a new pc.