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I am intrigued by the article in the latest MaximumPC magazine and the website decribing what should be a fantastic computer. I know the idea isnt knew, but the case design and engineering is wonderful to behold. Pricey but fascinating. Does anyone have one of these machines at home or know someone who does?

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mkk

I'd rather see some small theatre machine using the oil to also make it exceptionally silent. With energy efficient components it would work without including an expensive radiator.

Falstaff

the website is pretty slick, I priced out machine at about 7600 dollars. I often wonder if this is more than just a novelty.

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TomLeggett

wow ... what a way to fuck up the ozone layer even more and use up are main energy source!!! LOL

IEMC

I have a feeling you have no idea wtf you're talking about.

Definitely an awesome solution to theater systems, I agree.

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kris23

basically thats a fancy fish tank with mineral oil inside with pumps....

it can be built for close to a regular system cost,

all you need is a 5 gallon aquarium, 5 gallons of mineral oil, a radiator, pump, tubing, and various aquarium powerheads....

powerheads would behave like underwater case fans.....

i got all the stuff except the oil....

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OldBuzzard

Bet it would be a real pain in the ass to upgrade that puppy.

I know what it's like with my EXOS2, and that would have to be even worse.

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kris23

not really, the oil is nonconductive so the components are all exposed.

its the same as upgrading aegular computer except you need to reach into the vat of oil

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Falstaff

I understand the Dialectric oil is common enough and the solutions for the hard drive and usb ports, etc are sorted. The website gives you quite alot of information about the product and you can construct your own based on the parts list they give you.
I saw the article in the magzine as well and the internals were bathed adequately and they are even talking of a Peltier solution too for the chipsets and the processor.
I know it sounds wierd but some of our best technology apparently is cooled this way, expecially our communications stuff. Everything drains into a sump that is recirculated.
It sould be deadly quiet, even with two PSUs.
Its supposed to be infinitely overclockable. LOL
heres the link to the video.
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/...PC-Review.html

I mean a 3Dmark of 26400 ?
wow...
If you have ten thousand bucks laying around like me its attainable..
would I buy one?
hmmmmm
I want DH to test it first..

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Falstaff

I am not picking on you, but can you estimate the carbon footprint of a PC from the beginning of manufacture to the end of its life cycle?

http://www.zerocarbonfootprint.co.uk/

I think of such things as well believe it or not, but just about anything on the face of the planet that was ever made for computing, shipped, purchased, used and then discarded has a carbon footprint too.

I am wondering if you know what it is or can estimate? http://cultureofchemistry.blogspot.c...-computer.html

http://www.climatesaverscomputing.org/

Cheers.

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Lowfat

Absolutely sexy machines, but that is where it stops. The price is just too much for the hardware you receive.

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Falstaff

I agree, as just an average consumer, that same money would get me an outstanding deskptop from Falcon, or some other high end laptop manufacturers, etc.

Would I overclock the heck out of it...sure, why not?

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blibbax

I've been wanting to do an oil submerged build for a while, but I can't afford all the kit and the rsik, plus I hear it's pretty much imposible to celar the oil out of the components afterwards, and it can be pretty harsh on the power supply fan.

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Lowfat

I've done a submerged computer about 5-6 years ago. I can definitely say it was no where near as sexy as this thing. The oil is impossible to clean off of the boards as well. It was a huge mistake.

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DJ BIG T

i like it but dont have that kind of money..heres a link on them..

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Matth

Reminds me of the "water cooled computer" - first seal all the holes in the case....

Since it still has a radiator, radiator fan and circulating pump, not sure where it really wins over a traditional liquid cooling kit - except that full immersion does cool things that may be starved of bleed air cooling in a waterblock setup.

Still, I guess if any maker wanted to get seriously into watercooling, they could make/modify a motherboard with water cooled VRM, maybe all the motherboard components that need cooling heatpiped to a single waterblock, or a station that could carry either a waterblock or a fan cooler.

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blibbax

You can get oil cooling solutions where you just build an air cooled rig and dunk it.

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Falstaff

Its fascinating tech to me, and more overclockable apparently than air solutions, and frankly in light of what the defense industry has accomplished, a logical step towards peformance, but not necessarily the best one I suppose, depending on your income.

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GigaWatt

hahahahhaha , that was the first thing that went through my mind when i saw the case too...

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Falstaff

The whole concept is sound, if not expensive, and I didnt recall seeing any holes in any case?
The entire unite is sealed, save what was achieved for dramatic effect, but I am sure it was designed to impress.
are you sure you went to the correct website, or is this just a driveby post?



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Cow_160483

I wonder what would happen if you get a leak? I mean life is unpredictable it could happen . What then keep refilling every other week while mopping up the spill ???

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GigaWatt

yeah, i know it sounded like that, like a driveby post as you put it... but i did see the case, didn't do too much browsing on the site, but i did see it...

when i saw the picture with the case all flooded with fluid (mineral oil, if i'm not mistaken...?), that was the first thing that leaped through my mind ... i still can't take it out of my head... i guess the guy that did that "improved water cooling" (LOL ) just reminded me of how the case flooded in water would have looked like... since the guy didn't leave any pics on the thread.

anyway, it's a nice case, but i agree with DJ BIG T, it's too expencive for me too... you could get a much better regular system for that kind of money...

and the second thing why i wouldn't get it, i really don't like glowing cases.. you know, with neon lights and stuff... i like them plane and simple, black and with no lights (except for the power and HDD LEDs of course )... you could always disconnect them (the LEDs or neon lights that make the case glow like a UFO ), but that would be doable in a normal case. in this case, i wouldn't like sticking my hands in that oil...

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Neshi

What I'm wondering...
Can you 'upgrade' like anyone else, or have the parts have to be adjusted/adapted for the to work in the mineral oil?
I guess the heatsinks and stuff like that, like the video showed, have to mounted.. but no protective coat or anything over the pcb?

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procupine14

I've seen this type of thing done with vegetable oil but the problem being is once you decide to do it and submerge your components in the oil that's it. its set to be an oil cooled rig for life mostly because like some have said you can't get the oil off and oil + dust = broken dreams and money flushed away

as for the psu the units in setups like this that i've seen (all home built and most ugly as sin) they remove the fan from the PSU or keep them out of the oil along with the HDD and CD drive

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Falstaff

I believe the oil if you will is a combination of mineral spirits and ETOH so that it has superior cooling properties.
Oil cooled electronics certainly isnt a new technology, but ths company is delivering something within the range of the elite comuter buyers, etc. I dont think they will ever capture the market share that the advertising would suggest, but it is getting cheaper and cheaper.
I am rather fascinated, and like my desire to see another rival in the GPU market, I wait for it to get cheaper.
I mean we are just getting over the price fixing adventure with Nvidia and ATI. Surely the technology like oil cooling should be a great deal cheaper.

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CDsDontBurn

that is an ubber cool system!

but, what could i do with the money instead? pay off my debts, and a portion of my car, and get myself something that's fun for myself, yet not nearly as expensive as that thing...

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Customgamer1

like a blow up life size doll lol?

but really that is a cool computer. If I was really considering this computer I would not buy this top of the line system for $10,000. They can be a lot cheaper if you looked around the site!

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sterben

Eh, too complicated.

Falstaff

it is rather complicated say for the endless tinkerer.
No more complicated than many toys that require some adaptabliity, but like electric cars, it is just different.
I wonder, if they cut the price by half, would any of you buy it for its superior overclocking? In a recent article in Maximum PC it was stunning by comparison to other computers of similiar caliber and their base system.

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Liqourice

I don't doubt we're gonna see more and more of this as the technology advances and the prices get more reasonable. When it comes to electronics it's always the enthusiasts that go into it first and buy those horribly expensive things, then the prices start to drop because of sales and more and more people feel they can afford to get it. Just like the first big screen tv's. In the beginning the pricetag was the same as what a regular worker earns in a year but now they are almost ridicilously cheap. Not that I think a system like this ever will be cheap but it will be within reach for more of us eventually, if the sales takes off that is.