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**ChaosMinionX** · Apr 27, 2008, 10:14 PM

the low memory score is most likely due to lower FSB, combined with low RAM speed. If you had a higher FSB/RAM you would make 5.9 easy.

PangingJr · Apr 27, 2008, 11:06 PM

i think with your hardware's, the RAM will be at 5.9 and it should be easily obtained.
if you post the BIOS settings that you have i might be able to assist you a bit in the system memory setting.

swimtech · May 1, 2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PangingJr

i think with your hardware's, the RAM will be at 5.9 and it should be easily obtained.
if you post the BIOS settings that you have i might be able to assist you a bit in the system memory setting.

Thanks PangingJr., I can do that probably this weekend - I'd enjoy your pointers... I lowered the latencies and increased the voltage to do the index again, but it made no difference. Looks like I'll need to increase speed on the mem - and other settings to go with it - like ChaosMinionX implies...

I got Vista 64 on (clean install) last night, and the underlying chipset drivers, audio, lan, Catalyst 8.4 video driverset, and so on. I've had it on a total of about 10 hours so far, so the heat sink has settled in (runs Windows normally at 30C, browsing the net, etc - fan at 1200rpm) some.

Vista 64 is faster than Vista 32, even in 2G of ram. It was nicely snappy running through installs, control panel apps, and browsing. Not "wow", but now feels noticeably better than XP running on my older machine too.

This weekend, I want to install RealTemp, Sandra or Everest, and HDTach (if it will install/run on Vista64) to get an idea of some numbers as a foundation to go with how I'm feeling the machine run - I know you know what I mean guys...

OldBuzzard · May 1, 2008, 02:14 PM

I've run Vista 64 with 2, 4, and now 8GB of RAM, and it gets 'snappier' each time. It also seems like it's getting better as time goes by as SuperFetch optimizes.

Until you do add more RAM you can use a USB Memory Stick in RamBoost. That will also give a nice boost in performance.

With 2 and 4GB I was using a 4gb 'El Cheapo" generic one that I got from Microcenter, and it worked very well.

I'm considering using that for the PageFile as opposed to putting it on an HDD, altho, with 8GB I'm wondering if a PageFile is really necessary.

PangingJr · May 1, 2008, 04:15 PM

sounds like you are so very careful with the computer on both hardware and software, swimtech.
personally i don't restart much when installing software and drivers since XP.

[hobo]eclipse · May 1, 2008, 04:41 PM

noticed a F4a beta bios on the gigabyte site a cpla weeks ago, didnt try it, the update said it pertained to the new 45nm quads. didnt see it on the site a few days ago when looked.

anyone have any links or knowledge about the x38 chipset and the FSB overclocking? i messed a bit and didnt have much luck even posting at 425 with various MCH and FSB voltages and underclocking the RAM. Didnt do any exstensive testing though as 3.64Ghz at 405 FSB, 1080 RAM @5.5.3.13 is quite a boost from the A64x2 i had previous.

Good to see your up and running swimtech! What do you use for temp checking? Seems everest does the trick to get the "outer" cpu temp but the temp of the cores all seem to read 10c hotter in everything except real temp.

PangingJr · May 2, 2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by [hobo]eclipse

noticed a F4a beta bios on the gigabyte site a cpla weeks ago, didnt try it, the update said it pertained to the new 45nm quads. didnt see it on the site a few days ago when looked.

anyone have any links or knowledge about the x38 chipset and the FSB overclocking? i messed a bit and didnt have much luck even posting at 425 with various MCH and FSB voltages and underclocking the RAM. Didnt do any exstensive testing though as 3.64Ghz at 405 FSB, 1080 RAM @5.5.3.13 is quite a boost from the A64x2 i had previous.

Good to see your up and running swimtech! What do you use for temp checking? Seems everest does the trick to get the "outer" cpu temp but the temp of the cores all seem to read 10c hotter in everything except real temp.

i've seen your board get a very high FSB out of the box, i recall it was able to go above 500 FSB. i don't know what version of BIOS that came with the board, but it's been a while now so it could be older than yours.
the owner went to school in oversea lol, anyway, the CPU was an E8200 Q740A***T, i used to play with that CPU once before. the particular CPU starts needing a quite high Vcore at around 425 FSB already, likes, 425-450 FSB 1.30-1.40V, 500 FSB 1.48-1.575V, 530+ FSB 1.60-1.70V.

i suggest you try using a different BIOS anyway. and for a good start, try with a basic system memory setting, 5-5-5-15-Auto... and try 1:1.
otherwise, i think, either the particular CPU requires a more higher Vcore to get a high FSB overclock, or it won't overclock to higher FSB anymore.

PangingJr · May 2, 2008, 06:58 AM

i don't want you to damage your hardwares, this (below) is just for the idea of the Vcore setting out there.
i've seen the FSB can go even higher on different CPUs but the webpages will be in foreign languages.

it depends a whole lot on the CPU itself, but i think most of them have one thing in common, when you want to get a high FSB overclock, they'll use too much volts, lol. so if possible try to keep the vcore at below 1.3625V for your air-cooled overclocked.

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swimtech · May 2, 2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PangingJr

sounds like you are so very careful with the computer on both hardware and software, swimtech.
personally i don't restart much when installing software and drivers since XP.

Yeah, I guess I am pretty careful. I like to lay a reliable foundation with the OS and drivers for the applications, games, and so on that come down the road for years without a whole lot of modification other than routine driver and OS updates - at least that's been my pattern for years...

My fiddling with this machine - like I've never really done before - may change my ways of using and maintaining the computer though. I may need to adjust...

I don't restart as much as I used to (like after every install in Win95 and 98...) either though. Now I only restart when the installer prompts me, or after each game install because I've seen weirdness happen after game installs even in XP without a restart.

[hobo]eclipse · May 2, 2008, 10:23 AM

thanks alot panging for the reference, 1.7v is insane!

PangingJr · May 2, 2008, 11:49 AM

my kid cousin will increase any CPU's vcore like mad, i think he used to tell me, on E8400 he went up to 1.8V or something till it won't boot up any more, and then back down. he's insane alright, but he's fun.

swimtech · May 2, 2008, 11:58 AM

Oh, [hobo]eclipse, sorry I forgot to answer you - I'm using my front panel with a hardware probe sitting on top of the copper heatsink behind and under the fan to monitor my temps (kinda snugged up in there, I'll permanently fasten it on this weekend) - seems to be reporting temps a degree or two (Celsius) higher than the software monitor I installed (Gigabyte's Easytune5 Pro), but in line with the bios temps.

That whole issue is interesting, and I'd like to find out (don't know for sure yet...) which is most accurate - Hardware probe, Gigabyte software, bios, or Realtemp - hmmmmm - we'll see what RealTemp shows. This is important to know for sure... Heh, I can borrow a laser temperature gun (that I have experience is accurate) from work over the weekend too - I'll let you know!

swimtech · May 9, 2008, 09:42 PM

Shoot, I brought the laser and forgot to use it! Anyway, here's a screenie with lots of info - Vista64 at idle, running stock:

Shot at 2008-05-09

The front panel display was showing 33C - warmer weather this week...