retard

Hi

Im looking to get :

CPU:Intel C2Q Q6600
GPU:XFX 8800GTS 640MB
MB:XFX nForce 680i S775

and some other stuff but those 3 items i have questions about..

1.Iv seen that there are b3 and g0 Q6600 processors and iv heard that g0 is better but how can i tell the difference ? Does it say anywhere if its b3 or g0 so that i know which one it is before i actually buy it ?

2.I have read that there are older and newer versions of 8800GTS 640MB and that older are slower than GT while newer are faster .. is this true ? and if so how can i tell if its older or a newer one before i take it home.

3.Is this XFX mobo any good or should i avoid it and take some other ?

Thank you

cozumel

1. G0 uses less power. Here are the product numbers (courtesy of PangingJR)
See this thread for more details.

2. The new 8800GT 512MB is better than the GTS as it has new architecture. The GT is also cheaper. However, the new architecture for the GTS should be rolled out in the new year.

3. The 680i is old architecture and will restrict you. Get something from this page here. I advise that you go with either the Asus or Gigabyte models

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kris23

get an 8800GT

a sSpec SLACR G0 stepping Q6600

a X38 motherboard with ICH9R southbridge

its better to go with X38 boards rather than P35 due to the enhanced overclocking features, the new PCI-E 2.0 spec and all that good stuff

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cozumel

Just checked Intel's site to confirm both G0 and B3 have the same order codes....

A few specs:

B3 - Box Order Code BX80562Q6600 or OEM Oder Code HH80562PH0568M
[COLOR=#0000ff]Package Type:[/COLOR] LGA775
[COLOR=#0000ff]Manufacturing Technology:[/COLOR] 65nm
[COLOR=#0000ff]Core Stepping:[/COLOR] B3
[COLOR=#0000ff]CPUID String:[/COLOR] 06F7h
[COLOR=#0000ff]Thermal Design Power:[/COLOR] 105W
[COLOR=#0000ff]Thermal Specification:[/COLOR] 62.2°C
[COLOR=#0000ff]VID Voltage Range:[/COLOR] 0.85V - 1.5V


G0 - Box Oder Code BX80562Q6600 or OEM Order Code HH80562PH0568M
[COLOR=#0000ff]Package Type:[/COLOR] LGA775
[COLOR=#0000ff]Manufacturing Technology:[/COLOR] 65 nm
[COLOR=#0000ff]Core Stepping:[/COLOR] G0
[COLOR=#0000ff]CPUID String:[/COLOR] 06FBh
[COLOR=#0000ff]Thermal Design Power:[/COLOR] 95W
[COLOR=#0000ff]Thermal Specification:[/COLOR] 71°C
[COLOR=#0000ff]VID Voltage Range:[/COLOR] 0.85V - 1.5V

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kris23

clubIT.com sells G0 spec Q6600s for not that much.

ClubIT Product - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping Kentsfield 2.40GHz 8MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80562Q6600 SLACR

if you live in the US anyway....

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BlueMak

I think it is misleading to say one motherboard is better solely because it might (or has) better overclocking potential.
There are other things too, like stability, features, etc that matter far more than overclocking. Not everyone is interested in gettting a mainboard just to overclock.

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retard

First off thanks everybody )

I found this board available here that isnt too expensive and it meets all that you have said (i think).Asus S775 P5K-E WIFI-AP,P35 ICH9R,1333,DDR2 1066,CrossFire,eSATA,2x1394,GLAN
Good or not ?

I was wondering why is it so important that the Northbridge be p35 and southbridge ICH9R what is their advantage over nf680i (nf680i sure is more expensive) ?
I mean i know that northbridge controls RAM and GPU and southbridge controls SATA ,IDE etc.. but what is so much better on p35 than on nf680i?
The only down side about this motherboard is that its Crossfire and not SLI but i gues ill have to push on with one 8800GT until i get the money to upgrade to a new card instead of adding another 8800GT .. hey maybe that way i might save some money .. who knows.

Another thing i was interested in is what is the difference between BOX and OEM processors and wich one is better ?

kris23

dude, i didnt just say OCing potiental, while it is useful, the hardware features like PCI-e 2.0 is much more important if video cards will be upgraded due to the less bandwidth in the 1.0 spec that is still quite common.

nearly every X38 board has features over the P35 series due to the needed voltage regulation, the more efficient the board the better. ASUS has their EPU that enhances performance and stability by eliminating.

i don't see what you have against overclocking boards. their whole base is stability, their cooling, their components, their binning is all based around stability because if they arent superior from the beginning, they cant possibly perform stable overclocked.

dont think that "overclocking" boards are just features you pay for and don't use, they have their value in the longevity they give.

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Necrosis

Only thing is for the money nothing at this moment beats a good P35 based board. I went w/ X38 for specific reasons.

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BlueMak

I have nothing against mainboards that can super overclock. I used to have a good DFI once. But to spend more money for an overclocking board when you don't need it, it is a waste of money.
Same with SLI boards. If you don't plan on getting a second graphics card in the next couple of months and instead planning on getting it in a year or two, you are wasting money.
Most people end up buying either a new and faster graphics card or a new system by the time they need the performance of a second original graphics card like the one they already have for SLI use.

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CDsDontBurn

stability > overclocking any day .

overclocking is just a benefit

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jp306

I prefer and demand both ... Since you can get both.

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retard

Anyone ?

PangingJr

the boxed retail processor comes in a sealed box with a 3-year warranty from Intel.
and you will also always find the included Intel stock fan/heatsink in a Q6600 boxed retail processor.

all that may and can be different with the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) processor (sometimes referred to as a tray processor). and the product warranty terms and warranty conditions can be different from one (OEM manufacturer or distributor) to another.


i will leave you to decide for yourself whether the Q6600 boxed retail processor is better or not.

BlueMak

I always go for the retail CPU since apart from the warranty (which usualy you don't need for CPUs), the stock fan and heatsink are very good for their job for the Intel CPUs at least.

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cozumel

And there's not much difference in the price (just a few dollars more).

People tend to buy the OEM when they are going to use an aftermarket cooling solution bought seperately. This lowers the temperature which increases longetivity of the product and also allows potentially higher overclock would be possible. However, the stock HS/Fan supplied by Intel is more than adequate for normal daily use imo.

BTW, like Panging said the retail boxed version is a 3 year warranty, while the OEM is just one year.

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PangingJr

retard, how's it going? have you decided about which processor to buy yet?

ChaosMinionX

You really dont need warranties on CPU's... its going to far exceed the life of that warranty anyways, even overclocked.

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cozumel

Agreed - I've never had a CPU fail on me before. Motherboard yes but CPU no.



I had to quote this as when I first read it I thought Panging was being rude calling someone a retard then I realised it's the name of the original O/P. lol

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kris23

whats the average life in hours of the average CPU running at 60C?

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swimtech

Retard, admittedly, I like your choice of mainboard - strikes me as a great value for the money with a great featureset (the wi-fi can be very handy, good onboard sound, eSata, Firewire, above average heat sinking, Raid southbridge, and plenty of USB 2.0 ports) and good overclockability in one board for less than $150.00 (shipping included). I've had my eye on that one too (the Asus P5K-E Wi-Fi), and would also like the Gigabyte DS-4 Rev. 2 board, but it's 40.00 more.

You may want to consider an ATI 3870 video card at the moment - reviews of late show it performs almost on par with the 8800GT/GTS cards for much less money (a DH review is due soon, keep your eyes open!), and your choice of mainboard supports those in Crossfire should you choose to upgrade down the road - although the benefits of Crossfire are spotty...

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kris23

20% slower isnt equivalent man.... thats a whole 1/5th. but there are so many varying reviews im waiting for DH's review.

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cozumel

Sorry man, never got back to you. I agree with swimtech for all the reasons he said. It's a good choice of board at an equally good price point. Go for it.

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PangingJr

that seems to be another reason for people who likes to buy OEM processors whenwver they can.
i know a few people who likes to buy OEM processors, one is close friend of mine, because, sometimes, OEM processors is available at a certain store before the boxed retail has arrived in the store, and these people like to be first to get the processors. so this can be another reason.

ChaosMinionX

First to have it, usually cheaper by a few dollars, and sometimes they OC the best


And lifecycle of a processor at 60C is alot....go by years, I leave mine on all the time.

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PangingJr

lol, in that regard of having it first, nope, not because it's cheaper, the friend of mine will have to pay more for a tray processor plenty of times.

retard

I have ordered an Q6600 with G0 stepping BOX and Asus P5K-E WIFI-AP Mobo and 2GB Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066Mhz memory but im still looking for 8800GT since there are none here .. They say they had some but sold them all in 1 day so im waiting for some more to arrive . Im looking for an MSI 8800GT 512MB since Zotac is not represented here and from a review i read here on DH MSI is the best one after Zotac.

Thanks people DH is the best place to search for advice Always has been and always will be

LOL my brother registered me on this forum and despite my hitting him in the kidneys he managed to click register

cozumel

That slooks like a nice system you've got ordered. The Kingston probably wouldn't have been my first choice but it's a reputable brand and will work just fine. The MSI should do the job for you as well and is a quality board. I can't remember now, is this going to be Vista rig?



Little bugger!!

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retard

Not just yet but in a month or two i plan to get another 2GB of RAM and then switch to Vista

you think that would be enough to run games on vista without problems ?

kris23

retard..... you got some nice sticks of ram there.... Micron D9GKX goodness... very good price too.

never would've thought Kingston would use D9s.....


like cozumel said, not my first choice but it is now!

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