22"-24" LCD Monitor Suggestions...

Judas · Oct 20, 2007, 02:12 PM

currently looking at the Acer P241W and P243W (which i can't tell the difference between and acer website is a load of shit)

But i'm looking for other alternatives from viewsonic.. and a number of other manufacturers..

I've already consdiered Dell's 2407WFP.. but that's on the back burner....

Can anyone recommend a monitor.... 22 or 24", 1920x1200, with hopefully a HDMI port..... IF it also includes component IN or Video in of any type (audio is not nessary at all) That would be a bonus...

Have experience with any of these monitors.... let me know the bad and the good...

thanks!

Zelig · Oct 20, 2007, 02:37 PM

Hahah, I hit up google for information about the P241W and P243W, and this thread shows up as a result.

BenQ has nice 24" models with HDMI.

I've got a 2407WFP-HC sitting here if you want to know anything about it, no HDMI port, though it does support HDCP, and has VGA, DVI-D, S-Video, composite, and component inputs.

DJShamrock · Oct 20, 2007, 02:42 PM

I got a 22" dell widescreen I love. It's amazing.

BlueMak · Oct 20, 2007, 03:20 PM

My LG L245WPM is a superb 24" p-mva monitor with hdmi, vga, component and audio.
I used it for PC and Xbox 360.

Judas · Oct 21, 2007, 01:19 PM

LG's a good option...

I'd LIKE to get a 2407wfp-hc but without HDMI.. it's a concern....

Any other options you could recommend?

Zelig · Oct 21, 2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

I'd LIKE to get a 2407wfp-hc but without HDMI.. it's a concern....

If you don't need the audio, what's the problem with using HDMI to DVI-D?

Judas · Oct 21, 2007, 02:00 PM

Well, to keep things simplified...

plus the computer will being useing the DVI-D.... and another device would be using the HDMI...

ChaosMinionX · Oct 21, 2007, 03:37 PM

Love my 226BW....although it is an S panel which you cant really get anymore. I would probably go with one of the new 24" dells that are 1920x1200.

Zelig · Oct 21, 2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Love my 226BW....although it is an S panel which you cant really get anymore.

Hmm? From what I can find about that panel, it looks to be TN. And although I'm not fully up to date, I was under the impression all 22" panels are TN.

BlueMak · Oct 21, 2007, 04:51 PM

By S panel he means the production facility behind it, not the type of panel.

ChaosMinionX · Oct 21, 2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

By S panel he means the production facility behind it, not the type of panel.

Yep, I should have clarified that sorry

For 226BW there are S, A and C type panels.

S = Samsung
A = AU Optronics
C = Chi Mei Optoelectronics

S panels for the most part are the best colors possible and nicest panel overall.

A panels exhibit a higher blue dominance than S panels on gray scales and whites. (this can be adjusted with a usermade color profile, I have done this and it looks identical to my S panel)

C Panels are just plain crap all around.

swimtech · Oct 21, 2007, 06:19 PM

I'm very happy with the Gateway FPD2275W 22" I use at work (good color and contrast, touch sensitive menus are twitchy though...). I've tried Quake 3 and the UT3 demo on it too - looks great. Has all the inputs (plus some USB 2.0 inputs) you're looking for except the HDMI. Equivalent to the Samsung 215TW but it's not a PVA panel.

Judas · Oct 21, 2007, 07:23 PM

thanks swimtech.. i'll do some searching to see if that is an option and the pricepoint on it.

Judas · Oct 22, 2007, 02:36 PM

swimtech.. if you get a chance.. i'm currently looking at the Samsung Syncmaster 245BW monitor... looks like a solid excellent 24" with composite in as well as a few other dodads...

HDMI has been dropped as being absalutely nessary.

Zelig · Oct 22, 2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

swimtech.. if you get a chance.. i'm currently looking at the Samsung Syncmaster 245BW monitor... looks like a solid excellent 24" with composite in as well as a few other dodads...

HDMI has been dropped as being absalutely nessary.

The 245BW is a TN panel...

Judas · Oct 22, 2007, 03:14 PM

...hmmm

according to Samsungs website.. and a few other reviews.. it's indeed a true 8bit panel.....

i can't find anything that says otherwise..

for $570 (my cost) it better be good. and so far.. all the reviews say it's damn nice

BlueMak · Oct 22, 2007, 04:07 PM

Why would you want a monitor with composite? All modern consoles support at atleast component which is like 10 times better.

Judas · Oct 23, 2007, 12:31 PM

Cause she uses a VCR with standard cable, doesn't have high defininition available, and plans to watch any HD-DVD or high deffinition content directly THROUGH the computer itself...

That and she doesn't want to spend close to 700-800 bucks on it lol

the 570 price tag was a bit high.. but i'll pitch in a few to cover it as a christmas gift

she's a graphic artist... and from what i could tell.. the samsung model looked like a sweet sucker.. much better then that Acer "value" 24" monitor....

Zelig · Oct 23, 2007, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

she's a graphic artist... and from what i could tell.. the samsung model looked like a sweet sucker.. much better then that Acer "value" 24" monitor....

The Samsung SM245BW uses the same panel as the Acer AL2416WBsd.

Not sure about the p241 and p243 though, I don't even seen them available anywhere.

BlueMak · Oct 23, 2007, 01:57 PM

Are you kidding me? She is a graphics artist and she is going to buy a TN panel monitor? Might as well quit her job.

ChaosMinionX · Oct 23, 2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Are you kidding me? She is a graphics artist and she is going to buy a TN panel monitor? Might as well quit her job.

Agreed, she should be looking at 8bit IPS monitors, or VA's not TN panels.

Judas · Oct 23, 2007, 04:58 PM

I can't find anything on that specific model of samsung monitor that states it's an TN model...

wtf

someone post a link.

btw the model she is currently using is a much worse model.... and before that, she was working on a blurry 1024x768 CRT that was a 17"

BlueMak · Oct 23, 2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

I can't find anything on that specific model of samsung monitor that states it's an TN model...

wtf

someone post a link.

btw the model she is currently using is a much worse model.... and before that, she was working on a blurry 1024x768 CRT that was a 17"

Master Monitors List - WSGFWiki

Zelig · Oct 23, 2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

I can't find anything on that specific model of samsung monitor that states it's an TN model...

wtf

someone post a link.

Uses the LTM240CT01 panel, google "LTM240CT01" together with "245bw" for lots of results.

[hobo]eclipse · Oct 23, 2007, 05:56 PM

just picked up the ACER P221W 22 inch widescreen from best buy for $299.99, its the second one down on the list. its lsted as the P221WBD w/ 2 DVI's but instore here they only had the P221W wihch has all the same specs(including the 2500:1 contrast ratio) minus one DVI port, not a deal breaker really. Trying to check up on the LCD's i couldnt find them on the usa acer site so i checked the global one and bingo!. Seems the P series is maybe of the higher end of the ACER selection, There is also a 21 and a23 just like your 41 and 43 but the link specs them both the same in each size so i dunno the difference. Happy with this screen though minimal back light bleeding only really visible when the monitor is on and no signal is present. blacks are nice in movies, havent had any noticable ghostin in ep2, portal, bioshock and most important no banding. oddly enough though the acer P series isnt on that list from the WSGF link, wander what panel i got?

Judas · Oct 23, 2007, 06:00 PM

looking more into it.. theres apparently 2 versions on the market... but i'm not sure which i'm getting...

I guess i'll find out when i've received it...

to bad the order was placed already and had been shipped... if all else fails, and i'm not happy with it, i can return it (or at least should be able to, but being a special order.... might be sticky)

Was starting to get into a bind and needing monitor ASAP..

I'm emailing samsung as well, according to thier site, it's a full 8bit per color display, Course the masterlist could be wrong as it doesn't state the same specs as what samsung lists for it... which some of the older versions state a 300cd where as the 2nd or (newer one) states a 400cd

I guess i'll find out..

From ALL The reviews around the web, i simply didn't find a single one that declared it a horrible monitor.... course i tend to not use comments from youtube as a way to gauge, as typically you can always find something on there where a bad case has made it through and usually is isolated...

Perhaps i'll take some snaps... compare it to the Dell 3007's abilities..

The reason i was more inclined to get the samsung model was because it was within the price range affordable, it was extremely bright and had a high contrast ratio, and was going to blow the Acer 22" 1680x1050 TN panel that she had previously, outa the water.

Judas · Oct 23, 2007, 06:07 PM

doing some google search appears that it's a TN panel as well...

but i'm not sure...

Zelig · Oct 23, 2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

I'm emailing samsung as well, according to thier site, it's a full 8bit per color display

It is an 8-bit display, TN doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't.

Judas · Oct 23, 2007, 06:12 PM

i'm just confirming..

i know a TN panel doesn't nessarly mean 6bit and dithering being used....

but any "BAD" review i've seen says it's a 6bit dithered TN panel that looks like crap..

we'll see

ChaosMinionX · Oct 23, 2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zelig

It is an 8-bit display, TN doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't.

I dont know of any 8bit TN panels in circulation... A good way to tell if its a TN panel if its 2-4ms.... 6-8ms is usually a VA panel, and IPS is usually in the realm of 8-16ms not 100% accurate, but its usually a good way to tell what your working with.

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BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,251 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	By S panel he means the production facility behind it, not the type of panel. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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swimtech At Your Service... Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,989 Rep Power: 100 System Specs	I'm very happy with the Gateway FPD2275W 22" I use at work (good color and contrast, touch sensitive menus are twitchy though...). I've tried Quake 3 and the UT3 demo on it too - looks great. Has all the inputs (plus some USB 2.0 inputs) you're looking for except the HDMI. Equivalent to the Samsung 215TW but it's not a PVA panel. __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

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BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,251 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	Why would you want a monitor with composite? All modern consoles support at atleast component which is like 10 times better. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 23, 2007, 01:57 PM	#20
BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,251 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	Are you kidding me? She is a graphics artist and she is going to buy a TN panel monitor? Might as well quit her job. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,578 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	just picked up the ACER P221W 22 inch widescreen from best buy for $299.99, its the second one down on the list. its lsted as the P221WBD w/ 2 DVI's but instore here they only had the P221W wihch has all the same specs(including the 2500:1 contrast ratio) minus one DVI port, not a deal breaker really. Trying to check up on the LCD's i couldnt find them on the usa acer site so i checked the global one and bingo!. Seems the P series is maybe of the higher end of the ACER selection, There is also a 21 and a23 just like your 41 and 43 but the link specs them both the same in each size so i dunno the difference. Happy with this screen though minimal back light bleeding only really visible when the monitor is on and no signal is present. blacks are nice in movies, havent had any noticable ghostin in ep2, portal, bioshock and most important no banding. oddly enough though the acer P series isnt on that list from the WSGF link, wander what panel i got? __________________ seeing the same things over again, repeating the same slogans we don't know where we've been