cheap dual core

dirtyp · Oct 23, 2006, 08:48 AM

I been looking for a new pc and I might be able to get a better deal by buying piece by piece, Im not sure if these are all compatable. The proccesor is dual core wich should help with games, what are the advantages of vt? Any help will be appreciated.

D803 2.66 1MB X 2
Broadway Com Corp 204-4HA-S Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W
ECS 865-M7 (V2.0), Foxconn P4M800P7MA or reccomend one, Im having a problem finding a cheap mobo with pic-e and 4 memory slots for under $50.
I have harddrives, all I will need is memory right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186090
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811162019

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 23, 2006, 09:19 AM

Dual core won't help you with today's games, none of them are dual core optimized (save Quake 4 which won't really show too many benefits from it either way), but in future games it may help. Then again those games will require DX10 style hardware so its 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other.

VT is an advantage if you plan to use virtualization technology like the Xen HyperVisor, but if you're just doing gaming primarily it shouldn't be a make or break feature

PangingJr · Oct 23, 2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyp

Im having a problem finding a cheap mobo with pic-e and 4 memory slots for under $50.

about 6 months ago i used to buy a few Foxconn boards that have Intel 945P and 945G (which includes Intel GMA 950 chip) with Intel ICH7R (which includes AHCI/RAID and Intel Matrix RAID) for likes only $36 and $44USD, there was a 7 days returns and 3 years warranty on them. the price was cut down so low for whatever reason, but everyone i know were looking to buy these boards at the time. anyway, i later found out that these boards are very stable and thay are made and good for Intel Pentium D processors.
these boards are the very first Intel 945P/945G + ICH7R chipset based motherboards that Foxconn has made at the time of Intel's first release of the Pentium D processors... try checking at your local computer part stores and to see if you can buy one of them at the same prices... the boards's model are: 945P7AA-8EKRS2 and 945G7AB-8EKRS2.

dirtyp · Oct 23, 2006, 09:57 AM

So should I go for the fastest proccesor or fastest bus I can afford?
Even if the game doesnt tke advantage of it, wont it still procces quicker.

Im using it for making music too., my p3-500 does that without any problems.
I dont think it will make much a difference except when I use a bunch of plug-ins.

PangingJr · Oct 23, 2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyp

So should I go for the fastest proccesor or fastest bus I can afford?

i'm not sure what you mean by "or fastest bus"...
but if you can afford, then yes, you can go for the fastest proccesor.

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Originally Posted by dirtyp

Im using it for making music too., my p3-500 does that without any problems.
I dont think it will make much a difference except when I use a bunch of plug-ins.

then you probably won't need to upgrade.

dirtyp · Oct 23, 2006, 10:39 AM

I see cheap 2.8 with a 533 bus, if I find a 2.4 with 800 bus.
wouldnt the 800 out peform the the 533?

From what im told the bus and cache has alot to do with peformance.

Im upgrading because I cant play games on that pc, I have to use the family pc a 1.8 wich does the job ok on most game with medium settings. Problem is I cant use that cpu much I have the p3-500 in my room but I cant even install a game to that thing, It does good with the recording since that is mostly a memory and harddrive thing.

I dont want to buy something that will be outdated in a few months.

PangingJr · Oct 23, 2006, 11:20 AM

that is in fact, quite a loaded question you have there. just about everything will be outdated in a few months, even the Intel C2DC 6300 - 6700 will very soon be outdated, really.
anyway, i don't know how much you can afford on this upgrade and this probably means you'll need to build a whole new computer system.
but if you like to upgrade your system, and you want to use Intel CPU, then i may have a suggestion or two for you...
my first suggestion... find a motherboard (that you can afford) that can/will support at least Intel Pentium D processors (or otherwise at least Intel Core 2's processors.). and then i'd suggest you use Intel Pentium D, the one that you can afford it. other than these i don't know what to suggest you.

BlueMak · Oct 23, 2006, 11:57 AM

Why don't you get an AMD cpu? they are cheaper.

Geminiwave · Oct 23, 2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Dual core won't help you with today's games, none of them are dual core optimized (save Quake 4 which won't really show too many benefits from it either way), but in future games it may help. Then again those games will require DX10 style hardware so its 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other.

VT is an advantage if you plan to use virtualization technology like the Xen HyperVisor, but if you're just doing gaming primarily it shouldn't be a make or break feature

thats not true. Games may not be coded for dual core (BF 2142 is coded for dual core. as is the new splinter cell...and several other games have patches now) but games pretty much across the board still run better on dual core. the OS can take seperate threads and run them to different cores just fine. Background services can go on one core and the game can run on the other. In any case a 2ghz single core A64 and a 2ghz dual core A64 wont run the same. No contest, the dual core will score better.

BlueMak · Oct 23, 2006, 01:50 PM

Would you have to set the core each time you run the game to set one core to the game and the other for the other processes to take advantage of teh dual core? Because I don't do anything like that. (not that I have any speed problems, just wondering)

Geminiwave · Oct 23, 2006, 03:56 PM

no no no...everything is automatic. you dont have to set anything. windows XP handles that. I think the cores handle it on a hardware level as well. running a dual core processor is no different to the end user (thats you) than running a single core. Well...the only difference is that its WAY easier to multitask. you can keep lots of programs open at once and stuff like that, but you dont have to do any special settings for the most part. I do know of a few audio programs that had optomizations for dual core but I think the good ones do this automatically as well.

Lowfat · Oct 23, 2006, 06:13 PM

videocard drivers are also dual core optimized. Generally you get about 5-10% gain in performance when using dual core.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Oct 24, 2006, 03:08 AM

if you want an entry level dual core system, go with the pentium D 805 and good mobo. if you want something with more current technology and better bang for the buck, the 3800+ AM2 with a Asus M2N-E mobo will do the trick.

dont forget about geting a good mobo, stability and performance depends on this quite a bit. overclocking can be impossible with a crappy board and chipset, with a lower end dual core processor you might want to overclock the proc, vid card and maybe later invest in some better ram.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 24, 2006, 04:28 PM

The number of times I've seen a game dramatically benefit from a dual core proc vs. a single core one are few and far inbetween, not to say that they aren't there but simply put games these days aren't multithreaded enough to make it worth while if you're trying to pinch pennies on a gaming machine build.

That said, if you need a dual core to run a game and a whole bunch of crap in the background well you have the choice. Spend money on the dual core or change computing habits and don't

However the point is moot, the near future is dual core, no one can deny that.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Oct 26, 2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

However the point is moot, the near future is dual core, no one can deny that.

correction

future is multi-core

dirtyp · Oct 26, 2006, 04:15 AM

the xbox 360 is triple core.
Its looking pretty dam good/

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 26, 2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BiGBrOwNPimpsta

correction

future is multi-core

I sit corrected

@dirtyp: That's different, the Xbox uses PPC cores... y'know the one Mac just abandoned

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 26, 2006, 05:59 PM

buy a better mobo, so you be more upgradeable... something with 965p

dirtyp · Oct 29, 2006, 12:05 PM

Im going to avoid the celerons, the amd are cheaper but im not seeing anything that wows me in my price range.
Im either going keep looking for a mob for the dual core or get this
http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog...m.asp?ID=13714
p4 520 2.80 1mb 800fsb, asus p5vdc-x mobo, it has pci-e x16 and agp 8x.

This should do it right? if not for under $160 whats better?

Randomletters · Oct 29, 2006, 12:34 PM

Budget 775 motherboard, slightly over your $50 budget, Not the greatest of corse but it uses 667 ddr2 ram, sata, PCI-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127012

Couple that with a Pentium D 805 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116001 and youll be good for a while.

The barebones rig you posted isnt bad but far from the dual core right you originally wanted.

dirtyp · Oct 30, 2006, 01:22 PM

I just got done reading reviews of the asus board, I thought asus was a safe bet but there seems to be alot of problems with this one, I can get this intel board for $8 more, doesnt have alot of pic,or agp slots. I like the option of being able to go with pci-e or agp.
heres the mobo.
Intel D101GGCL

I was going to wait till the newer 3d cards come out to buy one, but I found this its a return $59. Sapphire ATI Radeon X1300 - 512MB - PCI-e X16 Video Card
should I pick this up now? or should I wait?

And my last question whats the advantage of ddr2 memory?

PangingJr · Nov 5, 2006, 02:37 AM

how's it going, have you built a new computer yet?

dirtyp · Nov 5, 2006, 06:34 AM

im getting discouraged, I was settling in with the p4 2.8 800 fsb with the asus mobo,
But most the feedback I recieved makes me shy away im pretty dam poor and cant afford to lose $150.
At the same time my 1.8 isnt cutting it, so im at a crossroads I like the idea of buying a barebones package with the warranty, but I can get a better pc by ordering seperate besides the xtra shipping.
Im just to indecisive..,,,
thats why I asked so many ?s hoping someone could help me make up my mind.
with my luck ill buy something and the prices will drop in half a month later, I know im better of spending more but its hard to fit it in my budget.

PangingJr · Nov 5, 2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyp

im getting discouraged, I was settling in with the p4 2.8 800 fsb with the asus mobo,
But most the feedback I recieved makes me shy away im pretty dam poor and cant afford to lose $150.
At the same time my 1.8 isnt cutting it, so im at a crossroads I like the idea of buying a barebones package with the warranty, but I can get a better pc by ordering seperate besides the xtra shipping.
Im just to indecisive..,,,
thats why I asked so many ?s hoping someone could help me make up my mind.
with my luck ill buy something and the prices will drop in half a month later, I know im better of spending more but its hard to fit it in my budget.

okay, so you have not gotten a new computer yet? correct?
just silly me feeling bad and sorry for you seeing you looking to have a new computer and your budget is very low as i understand, but i really do feel that way, esp, if you wanted it for school or work. anyway, how much money you can spend on this new computer (include all the things for using in this build, not just the motherboard and processor) without compromising any of the other in your life? you know what i mean.
also tell me in detail about all of the computer parts you're already have with you. then i'll see if i can check all the things and their prices for you may be at the newegg...

dirtyp · Nov 5, 2006, 04:15 PM

Around $240.
I need dvd burner, tower, power,512mb ram+,mobo wit pci-e,and proccesor.

I have a 100 gb and 40 gb harddrive, a few monitors,keyboards,mouse, a few cd burners, gforce 4000 128 mb pci, 56k modem,a cheap pci soundcard, 2.1 speakers. I tried selling my pc133 ram I have 8 128 mb with no luck, also have a mini tower with 230 wt psu.

I found dvd burners for around 30-35, and ram 40-50 so I didnt include them.
Tower with 450wt psu were around 20 bucks but shipping is close to that, Thats why the barebones with the free shipping seems descent. I need the dvd burner to back up data. Graphics can wait the geforce will du