Zardon I need some help with building a New PC!

NewsFactory · May 30, 2002, 04:01 PM

Hi Zardon or anyone else reading this,

I need some help with building a new pc or two! what should I get and can you help me with getting some discount on parts? so what do you suggest! and they call me a computer expert! LOL

am leaning towards AMD +2200 cos of their value for money but I like the look of Intel's new 2.4 fsb 533 cpu , Geforce 4 Ti4400 Msi or Leadtek , Western Digital Caviar Special Edition harddrives the 100 or 120GB with 8mb cache, Sound Blaster Audigy oem card , MSI KT3 or Abit KX7-333 RAID motherboards if I go for AMD or Intel motherboard I need some help here I've seen Abit's IT7 which looks good . 2 256Mb Corsair XMS 3000 DDR Memory , Alpha PAL8045 - Thunderbird/Duron (Socket A) cooler again if I choice AMD , Intel any suggestions. Pioneer DVD-106S Region Free , Teac CD-W540E 40x/12x/48x CD-RW Drive , Microsoft Explorer Optical Mouse (USB) , Microsoft Natural Elite PS2 Keyboard - OEM , Metal Braided Rounded Ultra ATA100/66 IDE Cable, V.92 PCI Modem!Creative Labs Inspire 5.1 5300 Speakers, CoolerMaster ATCS-201 Aluminum Case and a good 400 or 450watt psu.

Many thanks in advance

***Zardon*** · May 30, 2002, 04:39 PM

well the first thing you need to work out is the money you have to budget for this ... how much are you thinking of spending ... around $2000? more? less? if you get that, then you can work the components out to get a well balanced system.

post more details.

digitalwanderer · May 30, 2002, 04:42 PM

Definately. The first thing to do when planning a new system is to know what your budget is and what you want the box for, you can pretty much work everything backwards from there.

NewsFactory · May 30, 2002, 04:44 PM

I got about 1200 pounds uk that about 1800 dollars US

I want every thing and DW cat! LOL

***Zardon*** · May 30, 2002, 05:03 PM

are you in the UK? or the US?

if you are in the UK, then I suggest a quick look around http://www.overclockers.co.uk to get pricing for a good AMD based system (for price)... they do alot of nice heatsinks, cases and they frequently have some good offers .....would you prefer a P4 based system? the reason I ask is that you will have to budget more.

I would recommend a 2100+ for price, and if you use this in conjunction with a delta you will get it to 1.85-1.9ghz from 1.73 (getting more performance than a 2.4 generally for alot less cost). the costly thing is the graphics card .. if you budget for a 4200 and overclock the hell out of it .. you can save money.... take a look around that site for ideas and post what you think you would like according to your budget... then we can give our opinions.

~~WyreTheWolf~~ · May 31, 2002, 12:05 AM

I agree with Zardon on the graphics card...

The 4600 is just too expensive. Look at the 4200, or the Radeon 8500LE (THE 128MB CARD, not the 64MB!) You should be able to save yourself quite a lot of money that way ...

The 2000+ processor will overclock to 2200+ speeds with its stock cooler. That would be my suggestion for a cpu.

As far as the motherboard the FIC AN-11 motherboard will give you plent of performance, and nice bang for the buck!

Overall, I would suggest (concidering your budget) that you stay closer to mid range products that have a high potential.

See if you can find a company over in the UK that has SkyHawk brand aluminum cases. They are very high quality, and they don't cost too much. I can get them here in the US for around $60.

Good Luck!

NewsFactory · May 31, 2002, 04:26 PM

Here's some prices I found while Looking around! am from the UK Zardon

Exair Radeon 8500 64Mb DDR TV-Out DVI £106.20 Plus VAT
Exair GeForce3 Ti200 64Mb DDR TV-Out Retail Box £75.48 Plus VAT
Leadtek GeForce3 Ti500 64Mb DDR DVI TV-Out £133.75 Plus VAT
Leadtek Winfast A250 TD Ti4400 128Mb DDR AGP OEM £185.50 Plus VAT
InnoVISION GeForce4 Ti4400 128Mb DDR DVI TV-Out AGP £185.50 Plus VAT
Inno3D Tornado GeForce3 Ti200 64Mb DDR with TV-Out £68.10 Plus VAT
Inno3D Tornado GeForce3 Ti500 AGP 64Mb DDR with TV-Out - Retail Box £123.33 Plus VAT
Super ATI Radeon 8500LE AGP 64MB DDR Dual Display DVI+TV Out - Retail Box £85.01 Plus VAT! Which video card would you choice from these ?

Caviar SE Hard Disk Drive 120Gb EIDE 8.9ms 7200rpm 8mb cache - OEM £148.50 Plus VAT
IBM 120GXP UDMA100 123.5GB £130.00 Plus VAT! Which HardDrive

Asus P4S533 Socket 478 Intel Motherboard £81.42 Plus VAT
EPOX EP-4SDA+ RAID (Socket 478 motherboard) £88.80 Plus VAT
Abit IT7 Legacy Free RAID (Pentium 4 - Socket 478 motherboard)
Asus P4B-533C P4 DDR Mobo i845e (478) 121.00 Plus VAT
Abit SD7-533 (2.0) P4 DDR Mobo SiS645 with 5.1 Sound (S478) 77.00 Plus VAT
Abit BD7-RAID i845D P4 DDR Mobo (S478) 94.00 Plus VAT

2.266 GHz *533FSB* Intel Pentium® P4 CPU 0.13u 512k Cache * S478 * £198.20 Plus VAT
2.4 GHz *533FSB* Intel Pentium® P4 CPU 0.13u 512k Cache * S478 * 338.00 Plus VAT
Which CPU
2.533 GHz *533FSB* Intel Pentium® P4 CPU 0.13u 512k Cache * S478 * 519.25 hehe Zardon it's my birthday soon

There's only one choice for the case and that's CoolerMaster ATCS-201 Aluminum Case (Without PSU) 113.00 Plus VAT or what do you think about this one Lian Li PC61 USB Black Aluminum Midi Case - Without PSU 99.75 Plus VAT

512Mb PC2700 (PC333) DDR Memory 98.00 Plus VAT
512Mb PC2100 DDR Memory (Major) 75.50 Plus VAT
2 X Corsair 256MB DDR XMS3000 CAS2 £112.00 Plus VAT
2 X Samsung PC2700 DDR 256mb PC333 £55.13 Plus VAT which Memory

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Player SB1394 OEM 46.50 Plus VAT

431W Enermax EG465AX-VE PSU with Manual Fan Control/Temp Control £57.50 Plus VAT
550W Enermax EG651P-VE Whisper Quiet Dual Fan PSU - AMD Approved / P4 £87.75 Plus VAT which one

Pioneer DVD ROM Slot x16 (40 CD) Dual Laser Pickups IDE £46.00 Plus VAT
Sony x16 DVD Rom Drive (x40 CD)Internal IDE £44.00 Plus VAT
Toshiba x16 Speed DVD ROM, (x48 CD) £43.00 Plus VAT which one

Sony 32x10x40 CDRW IDE £57.50 Plus VAT
Toshiba Combo CDRW DVD 16x40x10x12 IDE £78.00 Plus VAT
Mirai 40x12x48 CDRW IDE £69.75 Plus VAT
Lite-On 40x12x48 CDRW IDE £59.00 Plus VAT which one

Coolermaster P4 IHC-L71 Silent Fan Delta Heat Pipe Radiator P4 £25.00 Plus VAT
Coolermaster HCC 002 Delta Heat Sink & Fan (6800 RPM) upto 3.4GHz £16.00 Plus VAT
Coolermaster HCC 001 Delta Heat Sink & Fan (5400 RPM) upto 2.8GHz £12.00 Plus VAT which one

Creative Labs Inspire 5.1 5300 Speakers £56.00 Plus VAT
Videologic ZXR-500 5.1Ch Speaker System £57.00 Plus VAT which one

If anyone finds any cheaper prices Post here and before I forget I want digitalwanderer cat! LOL

Yeti · May 31, 2002, 04:41 PM

My opinion --- and a pretty radical one at that....

Get yourself a Thoroughbred core... they should be coming out soon... right?
As for the Mobo.... I would definitely recomend Abit... With the Raid..
I've found it best to lean away from large drives... and instead go with several smaller drives which can be raided (for the same price nonetheless) ... you will get better performance this way.
As for the sound card... i find that Hercules makes very good quality sound cards...
Video card...(and i'm sure you all will kill me for this)... I'd go with anything above a R85k with 64MB ram... Its' way more than enough... and i really don't see the need for more ram. If you've got 1800$ I'm sure you would probably wanna shell out for the GF4 4400 ... and that is a beautiful card.

One last thing i've found (after two burnt power supplies): get an Enermax... or something better than the oem trash...

just my humble opinion.
So AXP 2200 w/ Abit KX7333 Raid.

oh, and whatever you choose... good luck!

NewsFactory · May 31, 2002, 05:55 PM

I was thinking of that aswell but I think with the New Intel CPU I should be able to overclock it more than the AMD.always wanted to try watercooling!LOL where the bucket?

Yeti · May 31, 2002, 06:16 PM

Really? I would think the thouroughbred would oc better?

~~WyreTheWolf~~ · Jun 1, 2002, 12:15 AM

The new Athlon processor is going to be on a .13 micron process... Vs. the .18 micron process that the current XP is on. This should bring a major improvement to the table in both power consumption, and in clock speed... Because it will have a lower power consumption... it will probably have a lower temperature, and will require less voltage... Both are very good for overclocking.

I would definetly wait until the Thoroughbred processor hits...

Good luck!

Jeff · Jun 1, 2002, 12:08 PM

Does anyone have any Thoroughbred PR reports or anything about when exactly it will be out? I want like a 2500+, but I need to know when I can get it!

digitalwanderer · Jun 1, 2002, 02:40 PM

...while I really like my Hercules Fortissimo II soundcard, I wish I would have gotten the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz. I've heard nothing but raving about it from all my friends who got one.

Also, do some net bargain hunting for a cheap set of Altec-Lansing speakers! I got a AL IBM345 2.1 system that beats the hell out of my 4.1 cyber-accoustic systems (Yeah, I know already! You don't have to rub it in...) and it only cost me $33us. The bass kickers on Altec-lansings has to be heard to be believed!

Oh, and I'm gonna be silly and agree with one of the above posters hard:

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Not only are they reliable as hell and delivery the most steady power I've ever seen, but the power cords are long enough that you can pull the power-supply and set it on the floor without disconnecting a thing. (Or mount it at a weird angle on the outside back of your case to cut down on the internal heat....I've GOT to take some pictures of my rigs after my latest mod!

)

My last bit of advice is simple: tin-snips and LOTS of fans!

***Zardon*** · Jun 1, 2002, 03:12 PM

hate to be a butt head but its Enermax. they are a great company, highly recommended

~~WyreTheWolf~~ · Jun 1, 2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
Does anyone have any Thoroughbred PR reports or anything about when exactly it will be out? I want like a 2500+, but I need to know when I can get it!

I think I read someplace that the 2200+ would kick off the new TBred processors.

Yeti · Jun 1, 2002, 06:40 PM

Achem.... AMEN!!!! (Enermax

)

Yeah... well if they were releasing 2500+ Tbreds... Intel would go out of business

Mr V · Jun 1, 2002, 06:55 PM

Gladiator

Overclockingstore

Simply (Slightly pricey but reliable)

Overclock

Oh, and I`d go branded memory, but you probaly already know that anyway!

Happy Hunting

Msm80 · Jun 7, 2002, 02:22 PM

Man, nothing like trying to figure out what components to select for a new system. It gets the juices flowing.

Good luck!

Oh, did anyone mention Enermax power supplies?

~~WyreTheWolf~~ · Jun 7, 2002, 06:00 PM

MSI KT3 Ultra Sckt A 6 SND DDR Motherboard - $77
512MB 333DDR Samsung memory - $115
80GB ATA133 Maxtor Hard Drive - $107
LiteON 56X CD-ROM - $24
LiteON 36X12X40 CD-RW - $56
Sony 3.5" floppy drive - $8
Sky Hawk Aluminum case - $55
Enermax 430 watt PSU - $60
Radeon 8500 128MB DDR retail - $170
2100+ AMD Athlon XP OEM - $181
ThermalRight AX-7 (With 40CFM Panaflo) - $35

SubTotal - $888.00 + S&H
Totla - $976.80

That should make for a very nice, and very fast computer system.... for under $1000 USD

Good Luck!