A Newbie Guide - "How to setup Cubase SX with KX"

Lex Nahumury

Well, kinda selfexplanatory I guess.

http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxtut...kxcubasesx.htm

Post any questions, suggestion, remarks, errors here please.

There are a lot of SX users around here, so getting
a proper answer to your questions shouldn't be a problem.

/LeMury

Sture

Hi LeMury,

a very good guide for Cubase running with KxDrivers. Perhaps you should move the Reverb plugin in the DSP window to make it easier to see which pins it connects to in the MX6. Now it is difficult to see where they go.

Another idea is to connect a monitor output for headphones.

Sture

Lex Nahumury

>>Perhaps you should move the Reverb plugin in the DSP window to make it
>>easier to see which pins it connects to in the MX6.

Yes you're right. Done.
>>Another idea is to connect a monitor output for headphones.
Ok, but what signal would you like having to go to the HP?
The Main mx6 output, the Rec mx6 output, or straight after the Compressor?

/LeMury

Lex Nahumury

Aargh,.. I forgot to mention the kXi VSTi in the guide.
If I dont fix this soon please someone remind me to...!

Sture

Hi again LeMury,

In my case, I think that a mix of the Cubase Asio outputs and my input (Line Input which comes from an external mixer for microphones) with a possibility to add reverb to the input would be great!

Thanks - Sture

Lex Nahumury

Ah yes, that way you can have (hardware) Reverb on the Vocals for Monitoring
but Record it dry. Right?
If so, that's quite easy to accomplish with kX.

/LeMury

Sture

Exactly, I have been thinking about it, but never really got to do it. With your example above as a base - how would you implement that?

Thanks in advance!

Sture

Lex Nahumury

Check the guide again. I have added what you asked for.
I've done it quickly "out of my head", didn't' check it, but it should work fine.

(and now I'm realy going to sleep.. . I'll check in later)

/LeMury

Sture

Thanks LeMury,

Excellent! That also explains the MX6 better to me!

In my opinion these SRC's and the MX6 makes the KxProject a lot easier to use by doing all adjustments in the DSP window instead of using the 5 pages standard mixer. This makes it look a lot more like a normal studio setup using external hardware with patch cables!

Thanks for all your help in this!

Sture

dj_stick

sticky

Sture

Hello again LeMury,

perhaps you would like to double-check the connections (in the last picture of the updated "How to setup kX with Cubase SX" guide) you made between the Midi Synth FX Sends and the FM Mix and Stereo Chorus.

As an idea perhaps you would consider to add a couple of lines of text about the function 'release of driver in background' in Cubase to be able to have both Cubase running and at the same time be able to see the Peak meter and make slider adjustments in the MX6 window. Or is there even a better way to do this that I am not aware of?

Kind regards,

Sture

Lex Nahumury

>>perhaps you would like to double-check the connections (in the last picture
>>of the updated "How to setup kX with Cubase SX" guide) you made between
>>the Midi Synth FX Sends and the FM Mix and Stereo Chorus.

Ok, I just did, but could you tell me what is the problem?
(I may have overlooked something)

>>As an idea perhaps you would consider to add a couple of lines of text
>>about the function 'release of driver in background' in Cubase to be able to
>>have both Cubase running and at the same time be able to see the Peak
>>meter and make slider adjustments in the MX6 window.

Yes, but it's a Cubase feature (not related to kX in particulair) and also depends on personal factors.
During installation Cubase SX seems to analyze the system's speed/power and sets the 'release of driver in background' checkbox accordingly. That is;
For slow computers it's checked,
for fast computers it's unchecked.
Personaly I like unchecked, so cubase keeps playing while tweaking another app. like mx6 or whatever.
However, if someone does this on a slow computer, audio skips can occure easily.

/LeMury

Sture

Hello again LeMury,

sorry I was too quick and did not first see/understand that you used 2 FX Mix units. First one to mix with Reverb and second where the Chorus goes.

About the 'Release ASIO driver in background', I must have made some other misstake, since I have a rather fast PC (2.8 GHz on a 800 MHz FSB), but still Cubase stopped playing when I bring up the MX6 window or the associated
DSP window when using this setup yesterday. But, I will try again!

Thanks again for your great support! This user guide is great!

Sture

Lex Nahumury

>>sorry I was too quick and did not first see/understand that you used 2 FX
>>Mix units. First one to mix with Reverb and second where the Chorus goes.

No problem. Btw; That setup is just an example.
There are so many ways to achieve the same.

>>About the 'Release ASIO driver in background', I must have made some
>>other misstake, since I have a rather fast PC (2.8 GHz on a 800 MHz FSB),
>>but still Cubase stopped playing when I bring up the MX6 window or the
>>associated DSP window when using this setup yesterday.

Having such 'fast' PC (same as mine btw) just uncheck it of course!
(I don't know why SX didn't do that automaticly in your case)
Well, no big deal, just uncheck 'Release ASIO driver in background'..

/LeMury

patmos

When I do direct monitoring in Cubase SX2 with the full duplex set up (quick guide), I can hear the Mic even the volume in Cubase input is down. This Mic sound is dry and without the effect I've added. When i increased the cubase input level I get the effect added on top of the other dry sound. Why is it that I am having as if two inputs of the same mic( one direct and one thru cubase). I thank Lemury for his explanation to me in another thread. My recording input that is mic is only connected to ASIO 2(only input that work on my SB LIVE). I've tried to mute the mic in KX mixer but with same results. When the monitor button is pressed in Cubase should I not hear ONLY the sound with the effect added? Please help.

Lex Nahumury

>>When I do direct monitoring in Cubase SX2.....
In SX2, hit F4 and setup your VST inputs correctly.

>>My recording input that is mic is only connected to ASIO 2(only input that
>>work on my SB LIVE).
Again; In SX2, hit F4 and setup your VST inputs correctly..!!!!!
That is;..You have to ACTIVATE the other VST inputs before you can use them.
Also; take note of the "asio mapping issue".



>>I've tried to mute the mic in KX mixer but with same results.
if you use the ProFX, don't fiddle with kX Mixer unless you know what you are doing. There is no need to.

>>> When the monitor button is pressed in Cubase should I not hear ONLY
>>the sound with the effect added? Please help.
Yes, and it does. I just tested it with 3537, so you must be doing something wrong.

/LeMury

EDIT:
What driver version do you use?

patmos

Thank you Lemury I've understood how the DSP works. I've saved all kx files. I've been recording guitar from line in of my sblive 5.1. ( ver 3537)I wanted to record also a keyboard thru the same input ( Line in Left+Right)at the same time. I could not get both to record on separate track. Is there a way to do this. In both mono and stereo track both sounds got mixed and recorded together. Also SRC1 (line in) is going to ASIO 2( mapping). but I cannot map SRC2 to any ASIO inputs. Can anybody help.

Lex Nahumury

Since there is only 1 stereo ac97, you can only do this by connecting;
Guitar -> LineIn_Left input
Keyboard -> LineIn_Right input
Thus you'll get *mono* recordings per instrument..!!
So in Cubase you setup 2 mono tracks.
One is recording the Left signal (guitar),
the other is recording the Right signal (synth).

You use only one SRC set to ac97 LineIn of course.
Wire SRC's left and right output to seperate ASIO recording outputs
corresponding to the two cubase tracks.

I hope you don't mean you use 2 SRCs to achieve this.
Anyway;
Yes, you can map/record to other ASIO channels but most likely
your card has the 'asio mapping issue'.

You have to do a test how your card maps the asio recording channels;
In Cubase, add and *activate* ALL VST Inputs (F4).
Now add the Wavegenerator to the DSP, and wire the sine output
to each ASIO channel one after the other.
Check each time in (F3) Cubase Input Mixer if a signal is comming in.
Write down the mapping/results which asio nr corresponds to which VST input.

That's it.

/LeMury

patmos

Thanks a lot. Lemury has been of great help to us.
Check each time in (F3) Cubase Input Mixer if a signal is comming in.
Write down the mapping/results which asio nr corresponds to which VST input.
In fact I am using only 1 SRC to do the job.I have done the testing you explained and here are my findings:
With SRC going to ASIO only input 3 i.e ASIO2 is giving an output sinewave.I've noticed that ASIO 3&4 are missing on the ASIO. when I used Epilog only ASIO 0 is useful.

technonerd

Great stuff, thanks

Lex Nahumury

>>I have done the testing you explained and here are my findings:
>>With SRC going to ASIO only input 3 i.e ASIO2 is giving an output sinewave.
There must be more channels available!

>>I've noticed that ASIO 3&4 are missing on the ASIO.
That is because you have one of those "issues cards" (sblive 5.1)

>>when I used Epilog only ASIO 0 is useful.
There must be more channels available!

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Ok,..Let me try to summerize and explain this again;

Some cards have the known "asio mapping issue".
Without going into detail; some of the lower asio numbers
are not available, so the numbering gets shifted.
Nevertheless; you stiil have and can use 16 -2 = 14 asio recording channels..!!!!!
The difference between [ProFX's ASIO] and [Epilog's asio ] is the numbering.
(I will fix that sometime to avoid more confusion)

Bottom line is;
- Even if you have an "issue card", you still have and can use 14 asio recording channels..!!
- In order to actualy use these asio channels, you have to enable/activate
these VST inputs in your sequencer -> Cubase SX.

So it is simply not true that only 1 asio recording channel works....!!

(hmm,... I think I will add a section to the guide about this)

/LeMury

patmos

I am not on my PC now but i've tested the settings you've given on another pc with sblive(CT4832). ASIO 0 &1 are working o.k. both channels R+L are being monitored properly through SX2. i have not facility to record here but if it is coming on the Sx inputs it is ok then.
In order to actualy use these asio channels, you have to enable/activate
All have been activated.
So it is simply not true that only 1 asio recording channel works....!!
I think there is some other issue with my card. May be I will uninstall Kx and reinstall.
Thank you again.

patmos

I've reinstall KX with same results. I am desperate with this card.(SB0101 5.1).It appears that only the left channel is working.

Lex Nahumury

I have updated the Guide on the "asio mapping issue".
Have a look, maybe you overlooked something.

/LeMury

dj_stick

lemury - yu should have links at the top if the guide for each section (using <a name="section name"> and <a href="#section name">) and back to the top links, to make it easier for someone to find exactly what they want to know if they aready know the basics

Lex Nahumury

No. I had that originaly, but decided to leave that out, since I know people are impatient,
skipping important parts thinking they already know or don't need.
(I have seen that happen to often)

Maybe later if the guides really grow to big.
For now; let them search and read.

/LeMury

patmos

Lots of thanks go to Lemury. I followed your guide and my card responded just as the one in the example. So at last I've s