Toadly_Ossum

hmmmmmm!
I never saw that setting before, and its not checked by default??
Gonna check for that as soon as I get home from work today.

fvi

On my DAW, it was checked when I install sx2. Maybe you could add this tip to your guide (if it happens that all DAWs have the same behaviour) : I worked 1 year -maybe more- with this flag on !

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Lex Nahumury

[color=yellow]Nah,..The purpose of these guides are showing newbies how to setup SX with kX in order to *get it work*.[/color]
[color=yellow]I'm afraid that mentioning such 'tweaks' (which btw can lead to pops and clicks) will only add to the newbie confusion and raise the amount of false bug reports and questions like "...my ASIO playback pops & clicks...." etc.[/color]

[color=yellow]Besides;[/color]
[color=yellow]The 'expert settings' are already mentioned in Cubase SX manual and it is not my intention to write an [/color][color=yellow]in-depth Cubase SX tutor.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

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[color=#ffff00]you're the master ![/color]

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Lex Nahumury

Nevertheless; Thanks for mentioning this tip.
I'm sure people will read it here if not in their manual.. .

/LeMury

igor_levicki

@LeMury,
I have been toying with my Audigy 2 ZS and kX drivers (3537) in Windows XP. I have just built mic preamp and connected it to line-in but with default mixer and dsp settings I somehow cannot "find" its signal. Both mic and the preamp work fine (tested with Creative drivers). For what I understand, Line-In is connected to separate ADC capable of 24/96 recording, right? That is why I connected mic to it and not to the ADC from AC97 codec. Could you please elaborate on a signal path and I/O involved? I read the help but I got all tangled up (btw, a2zs is not covered in there AFAIK -- has Eugene got one for testing because it seems a bit different to me?). Thanks in advance.

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Lex Nahumury

kX mixer + default DSP settings is a 'bitch' to trace any signal IMO.
-Use ProFX's Src, Peak and Epilog to 'trace' the signal in the DSP.
-Use the kX command switches (discussed elsewere) to actualy 'route' UDA's output to Line-In.

I dont have a 2zs, so i can not confirm every tiny detail, but I know it works.

/LeMury

Samir

Pozdrav!

Seems that LineIn iput @ Audigy2 cards series is connected to Philips ADC THROUGH AC97... By using kX 3538h you can enable LineIn -> (AC97) -> Philips ADC routing, in AC97 page... (make sure you unmuted LineIn in AC97 & muted everything else, also for AC97 Source Mic or Aux should be selected) This way you can get real 24/96 recording through Audio HQ device, by selecting "I2S 1" source for p16v device in kX mixer... Note that this way of geting 24/96 is not perfect since signal goes through AC97 wich adds some distorsion and/or noise...


CPETHO!

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trevbushell

wow,
i knew that using a new driver would be hard to get to grips with, but its harder than i thought.
i have an emu aps soundcard with kx drivers and cubase sx. i would like to be able to record audio (ie gyitar, vocals) from the mic line on the front edrive. is there an easy way to do this or do i need to read and digest all of this thread in order to understand the whole workings of the DSP, do a full setup etc. i am a newbie, not very good at tech talk and would find this hard.

[color=red]a suggestion[/color], (probably not possible?)... is there a way (for us newbies) of writing a file for downloading that sets this kind of thing up automatically? for example in my aps driver days i saved a file in my aps mixer and a cubase file with the correct audio settings that enabled me to record audio from the front drive of emu, so that i didnt have to remember how to do it. all i needed to do is load it up.
so maybe having a dsp setup file download that enables basic audio recording that we can use and alter with efects etc?? and a cubase sx setup with the same?
good idea or pants and too much work? maybe people already have these files saved on their computers that they could share?
trev

peate

Look at the thread example DSP set-ups, scroll to the last post by DougW, it's a newbie guide with examples and directions.

Lex Nahumury

You can do the same (and more) in kX.
Use kXi as a VSTi in your Cubase project to save/restore all your settings.


/LeMury

trevbushell

thanks peate and lemury,
really helpful, i'm VERY new to this and there are alot of threads to get to grips with, great to have some help on finding where to go, untill i get my head around this amazing site!

three questions, if thats ok, lemury,
1. you said about saving dsp settings within cubase song files using kxi? is that what you meant? if so where can i find and what is kxi ?( i assume its not the sound font that you programmed -kxsfi?)
of course, if there is a thread explaining this then just point me in the right direction.

2. your kx cubase sx guide is great, thanks. i'm a bit lost on the ASIO mapping issue though. i have an emu aps card. do i need to do this setting up/ activating vst inputs and outputs as it says in your guide or is this not applicable with my card. i ask this because you mentioned that you need to do this as some cards have mapping issues. does my card have this mapping issue? if so do i need to save the changes within cubase project and kx, and how?
sorry if this seems a stupid question, i am very new at this. be gentle with me! (i'm learning fast though!)

i keep noticing people talk about the new kx3538 driver. should i download and install this and if sois it on the kx site?

thanks in advance
trev

Lex Nahumury

It is (should be) already installed in your ..\VST Plugins folder.
Just like kXSFi, kXi is a VSTi plugin.
It can be used for automation and to save/store settings.
There's just one button on kXi, so how hard can it be ?

AFAIK the APS card is not affected by the asio mapping issue.
(btw; the test setup in my guide is also good way to check/learn kX+ASIO stuff)

In general it's not recommended unless you know what you are doing or don't care.
3538 related download links and instructions are kinda scattered over this forum.

/LeMury

trevbushell

thanks for your quick reply.
what does AFAIK and btw mean ?????

i will take your advice and try to do that mapping thing if it will help me learn. thanks

BiCho

AFAIK: As Far As I Know
btw: by the way

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tomyonke

LeMury i have also question for you. I have manage to set up everything in DSP and i have 4 out BUSes and now i want to record this sound back in cubase as audio. Can i do it as SPDIF out on MX6 and then REC in as SPDIF in and how do i connect this in DSP?
Can it be done somehow else?
Thanks

Lex Nahumury

Your Q is a bit vague but I guess you want to record a mixdown through the DSP back into Cubase.
If so;
Recording from DSP into Cubase always goes via Epilog's (or ProFx's) 'Asio Recording Inputs' 0-15.
So simply connect whatever it is you want to record to those 'ASIO rec inputs' in the DSP,
and setup Cubase Asio inputs accordingly of course. (see guide)

/LeMury

tomyonke

Thanks LeMury. I managed to do something by myself. I created another src as SPDIF in. In MX6 i put my rec device to SPDIF out. I connected SPDIF in and output on card together and now in Cubase i have configured ASIO outputs as 4 BUSes and 2 onputs as FXBUS 0/1 and SPDIF in. When i want to resample my hole mix i just create new audio track and set the input to SPDIF and in mixer i enable record on all 4 FXBUSes and then i press record in CUBASE. It works great and the sound is much more richer than if i would make mixdown on one ASIO out.
Hope my settings will help someone else.

mavlo

Are there any SX 3 compatibility problems? I seem to all of the sudden have only one active input channel in Cubase (ie. I can't record in stereo, it's either the left or the right channel, and that's ONLY if I check the "ROUTE HEADPHONES TO CENTER/SUB" mode. If I don't to that Cubase doesn't get any input for recording at all). I tried a lot of different configurations (both inside SX3's routing channels and within KX's mixer settings, DSP etc) but nada. I have a SBLive and #3537. It worked fine with SX2, and it still works fine with other programs like Sound Forge 7.

Lex Nahumury

Although I don't have sx3 to verify I don't see any reason for compatibility problems.
ASIO is ASIO. No matter what program one uses.

If one does not recieve asio recording input it is almost always a matter of 'SX VST Inputs setup' and 'kX DSP setup'.

- Initialy, activate all VST Inputs in SX
- do the 'ASIO mapping Test' as described in the guide (the one using the dsp Wave Generator)

/LeMury

Ian

I have read a few cubase forums and have been looking for an answer for a while. There seems to be a common midi timing issue with Cubase 3 which has nothing to do with latency. When I use a midi keyboard going directly into a Creative Live Drive (using the keyboard as a midi controller for VST instruments such as drums - lm7 - and others), whilst playing the notes, everything plays fine and with only 5.33ms latency, but it seems to record about 1 second later in the midi track. This means I have to shift the entire midi track back to match with the audio tracks. This problem, of course, does not happen when recording analogue instuments (using the same Live Drive). Has anyone else had this problem? And has anyone forund a sure-fire solution to this problem? I have already disabled as many emulated midi ports as possible (as I have read about in some forums), but I still get the same problem.

Thanks,
Ian

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thomasabarnes

Well SONAR has a feature for setting a Timing Offset value:
"Timing Offset (msec)--With this option, used for making very fine adjustments to the audio/MIDI synchronization of your project, you can offset the audio in your project by a number of milliseconds. A positive value delays audio by that amount. A negative value delays MIDI by that amount."

Search SX help file and see if there is such a feature.

Sometimes plugins used in the project can cause some latency (plugins on DXi/VSTi tracks or any audio tracks can cause this), but usually if that is the case, you will hear the latency even when you play from a MIDI keyboard as well as when you record.

The only other thing I could think of is this can happen if youre using an ACPI PC configuration, going to a Standard PC configuration has been known to fix MIDI/Audio synch problems, but there's no guarantee. That was, however, the solution to fix my MIDI/Audio sync problems.

Good luck with finding a solution, and maybe someone else has an idea for a solution in your case.

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mattcro

Seeing the ASIO mapping info in the guide prompted me to do some experimenting on my system, which has a single SBLive 5.1 (SB0100, kX3537). The card has SB0100 printed on it but kX3537 identifies it as SB0222...??

I'm using the AC97 line in from a hardware mixer, so I just connect AC97 directly to Epilog in the DSP and barely scratch the surface of the DSP routing options.

I read somewhere a while ago to use ASIO-4/5 so that's what I've used with no problems for ages. ASIO-4/5 on Epilog appears as kX In 04/05 in Cubase and other hosts on my system when only 2 ASIO inputs are activated in Cubase.

I tried activating all inputs as per the mapping test in LeMury's guide, and on a single SB0100 I get:

kX Epilog Cubase (or other host)
ASIO Ch ASIO Ch (kX In)
00 02
01 No Conn
02 No Conn
03 05
04 06
05 07
06 08
07 09
08 10
09 11
10 12
11 13
12 14
13 15
14 00
15 01

But as soon as I deactivate some inputs in Cubase, the mapping seems to change... Eg with only kX-4/5 active in Cubase, ASIO-4/5 connect to kX In 04/05. With other ASIO inputs activated in Cubase, ASIO-4/5 in Epilog appear in various kX Ins in Cubase... strange.

I think I'll stick with what I've got as it works for me!

LeMury: Could you compress the images in your guide a bit more, and maybe use GIF for the dialog box images. As of 19-Jul-2005, the images total 1.8MB, which is rather a lot for folks like me stuck with dialup connections. I experimented on the downloaded images and managed to reduce the image data size by 50% just by compressing the JPGs a bit more and changing most of the images to GIF format. Let me know if you want more info.

Matt.

Lex Nahumury

Yes. On 'issue' cards the mapping may shift randomly on each 'ASIO voice start/stop'
which happens when you start the ASIO host
or when you change ASIO inputs/outputs like in your case.
You can see this 'new asio voice allocation' if you monitor kX mixer's Analyzer
while changing your host's asio I/O assignment.

/LeMury

da3020

Oooh! Diar Lex! Please help me:

When i star to do first point of your instruction "First make sure you have setup your Windows 'Mutimedia Properties' properly" shit happens. In that dialog only "2 speakers" item is available. 5.1 is inactive and no possible to select. So i can use only asio 00 and asio 01 as inputs to Cubase. My card is SB Live 5.1 Digital. Where is problem? Is it system bug or my card didnot support 16 channels at once? Reinstalling drivers not solve the problem

Card: SB0222 10k1 [d800]
driver: 3541

Maddogg6

In WinXP - I can set Sonar to all 16 ASIO ins/outs regardless of Windows Speaker config... Are you certain you enabled all ASIO channels as described in the following section;
That setting is 'per project' and needs to be saved in a template, or done for every project in Cubase. At least in Cubase SX3 this was the case.

But, you probably suffer from the ASIO MAPPING issue discussed above and in the 'The ASIO "mapping issue" ' section of Lex's guide.

da3020

I have SX 3.1.1.944 installed. And F5 takes absolutely NO effect. There is NO "VST inputs" in menue even if i save a template.
I think that problem is here: www.da3020.narod.ru/ex.png
But why? And how to fix it? Maby i have some stupid build of XP ?

Maddogg6

have you recently un-installed a codec pack?

Is the version of XP suspicious? (warez perhaps?)

That dialog, I suspect is not *the* problem but another symptom. For me - how I have that set makes no difference to ASIO..

Make sure the kX ASIO control panel isnt set to 44.1Khz - you can not record with 44.1 Khz with ASIO - and thus no inputs are available. Set it to 48Khz [8+8] or [16+16]
Note the '[X+Y]' = [playback + record] channels possible.
So if ASIO format shows 44.1 Khz [8+0] - the '+0]' means 'no recording possible, only 8 channels of playback'

da3020

hurray!

Here was exact the matter!!! Since i set 48Khz [16+16] 16 channels in Cubase VST settings appears.
But i still unavailable F5 function.

Maddogg6

Consult the Cubase help on ASIO setup on how to do so exactly, I forget now, its been a while since I had access to cubase.

Its a menu item something like 'VST Inputs' - 'F5' *used* to be a shortcut to open that dialog.
edit: try 'f4' to open 'devices > vst connections' /edit

edit 2: Look at tutorial 1 in this guide (that should have come with cubase)
ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cub...ng_Started.pdf /edit2