A Newbie Guide - "How to setup Cubase SX with KX"

Lex Nahumury · Nov 4, 2004, 12:08 AM

>> Nevertheless when ASIO 14 & 15 are selected I see the VU in SX loaded
>>with both R+L signal....
[color=yellow]Yes, that's correct, since in my [ASIO] code I just swapped 0/1 with 14/15.[/color]

>>.. ,but still no sound. Have I missed something? When I replaced Epilog by
>>ASIO in the same setup I did get the direct output.
[color=yellow]When you use Epilog, you can *not* use [k1lt] or [ASIO] the same time..![/color]
[color=yellow]The ProFX are 'replacement' plugins.[/color]
[color=yellow]So you probably still got k1lt uploaded and wired.[/color]
[color=yellow]Delete k1lt, and wire to Epilog instead for direct monitoring.[/color]
[color=yellow](don't forget you will have to use kX mixer to switch front/rear speakers when using Epilog)[/color]

[color=yellow]Anyway;[/color]
[color=yellow]Thanks for testing, but I still dont know if the 'disconnecting/signal swap issue' you mentioned also appears when using Epilog????[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=#ffff00]/Lemury[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]

patmos · Nov 4, 2004, 05:25 AM

[color=#ffff00]So you probably still got k1lt uploaded and wired[/color]
No k1lt was not wired. only wavegenerator to Epliog ASIOs.Tonight I'll check whether it is the front /Reae issue

I've noticed that ASIO7 get mapped to either IN4 R or IN3 R. Each time I disconnect and reconnect it got swapped between these two
This issue was not found with Epilog.

patmos · Nov 4, 2004, 05:48 AM

I've just check this on CT4832 101k. Same I cannot do any direct monitoring in SX2 though ASIO 0 &1 are working ok on this non issue card.It only appears in the VU.If it appears there must be sound .I even swap between rear and front with no conclusive result. The same thing when done for ASIO works fine.

**dj_stick** · Nov 4, 2004, 06:05 AM

i don't think direct monitoring works with kX, it has its own variant

Quote:

Originally Posted by kX FAQ

Q: Does kX support ASIO 2 Direct Monitoring?

A: When this option in the Audio System Setup dialog is activated, monitoring is handled by the actual audio hardware, that is, the monitored signal does not pass through Cubase VST. Instead, the ASIO driver for the audio hardware is instructed to send the audio from the monitored input directly back to a specified output, thus providing monitoring with practically no latency, i.e. ASIO2 Direct Monitoring simply provides zero latency monitoring of inputs. However, zero latency monitoring is already provided by kX ("direct monitoring" is enabled when you unmute an input on the kX Mixer's "Ins'n'Outs" page), so there is no reason to tax your CPU with ASIO2 direct Monitoring. Contrary to what many people believe, ASIO direct monitoring does not allow monitoring of the incoming signal with VST effects; it only provides monitoring of the dry input signal. In other words, this means that the only thing missing without ASIO2 "direct monitoring" in kX is the lack of direct control from Cubase (or other ASIO host) over hardware pan/level/peakmeter for unprocessed dry signal, although even these can be controlled via the kX Mixer. And of course you can always apply VST/DirectX plug-ins to as many input channels as you want using the kX ASIO driver.

patmos · Nov 4, 2004, 01:58 PM

DJ stick wrote:

"[color=yellow]Contrary to what many people believe, ASIO direct monitoring does not allow monitoring of the incoming signal with VST effects; it only provides monitoring of the dry input signal[/color]"

This is what I believed dj and I still believe it. In Sx2 when I add a VST effect such as Flanger to the guitar input I can hear it while recording it. So the effect is live and I can know how the recording will sound.Below is what SX tells about direct monitoring:

“[color=seagreen]monitoring” means listening to the input signal during recording[/color]

[color=seagreen]If you monitor via Cubase SX/SL, the input signal is mixed in with the[/color]

[color=seagreen]audio playback. The advantage of this is that you can adjust the monitoring level and panning in the mixer, and add effects and EQ to the monitor signal just as during playback (using the track’s channel strip –not the input bus!).[/color]

[color=seagreen]The disadvantage of monitoring via Cubase SX/SL is that the monitored signal will be delayed according to the latency value (which depends on your audio hardware and drivers[/color][that's why I use KX ] ). [color=seagreen]Therefore, monitoring via Cubase SX/SL requires an audio hardware configuration with a low latency valu[/color][color=seagreen]e[/color](KX does)

[[color=yellow]so there is no reason to tax your CPU with ASIO2 direct Monitoring[/color]]

I agree with this idea but why should we be limited to use only KX vst plugs even if our PC is fast enough to handle these effects.

[color=yellow]i don't think direct monitoring works with kX, it has its own variant[/color]
I don't understand. Please explain

Lex Nahumury · Nov 4, 2004, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

i don't think direct monitoring works with kX, it has its own variant

[color=yellow]Of course direct monitoring with VST fx applied works with kX![/color]
[color=yellow]You will of course have the ASIO latency.[/color]
[color=#ffff00](please read stuff before you quote)[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

Lex Nahumury · Nov 4, 2004, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patmos

I've just check this on CT4832 101k. Same I cannot do any direct monitoring in SX2 though ASIO 0 &1 are working ok on this non issue card.It only appears in the VU.If it appears there must be sound .I even swap between rear and front with no conclusive result. The same thing when done for ASIO works fine.

[color=yellow]Hmm,..You must be doing something wrong patmos.[/color]
[color=yellow]I just checked both ct4832, and sb102.5.1, cubase sx2, and cubase sx1.6..![/color]
[color=yellow]Apart from the "mapping issue", direct monitoring *with VST FX* works just fine.[/color]
[color=yellow]So check your Cubase setup and your DSP setup.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

patmos · Nov 4, 2004, 11:53 PM

[color=#ffff00]You must be doing something wrong patmos[/color]

If when I replaced Epilog by ASIO DM works, then I cannot understand how Epilog works. Since I know the mapping and Cubase setup has not changed, what should be done for Epilog apart from wiring Wavegenerator OUT to Epilog's ASIO IN. I did same for ASIO. Is it not true that when VU Output is there , there should be an audible sound out? I'll try to find out why

Lex Nahumury · Nov 5, 2004, 02:53 AM

>>what should be done for Epilog apart from wiring Wavegenerator OUT to
>>Epilog's ASIO IN.
[color=yellow]You also have to wire FXbus to a physical output.[/color]
[color=yellow](All playback signals enter the dsp by fxbus. remember?)[/color]
[color=#ffff00][/color]
[color=yellow]So to actualy hear whatever is coming *out* of your program (in this case SX),[/color]
[color=yellow]you have to feed it into the DSP through FXbus. Then it goes out of the DSP [/color]
[color=yellow]to your speakers by wiring the fxbus ->epilog..![/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=yellow](everything goes through the DSP. Remember?)[/color]
[color=yellow]If it's not clear, let me know, then I will draw a picture.[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]
[color=#ffff00]PS:[/color]
[color=#ffff00]See picture in my cubase guide on 'how cubase interacts with the DSP'.[/color]

patmos · Nov 5, 2004, 03:52 AM

Thank you Lemury.I won't forget again to patch Fx bus to Epilog. Ok it works now.

[color=#000000] [/color]

Lex Nahumury · Nov 5, 2004, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patmos

Thank you Lemury.I won't forget again to patch Fx bus to Epilog. Ok it works now.

[color=yellow]I'm glad to hear it works now.[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=yellow]One other tip in General;[/color]
[color=yellow]Never use a DSP setup *without* "complete" I/O plugins.[/color]
[color=yellow]Always make sure you have at least Epilog ( or k1lt + asio ) loaded.[/color]
[color=yellow]Strange unpredictable DSP behaviour can/will occure if you fail to do so.[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

JeddBase · Nov 8, 2004, 02:30 PM

Thank You For Your Understanding..I was going to post it to forum but i am a kind of new of this forum...You can post it if you d like to....And I will try to post it too...
First Details;
I have

Pentium4 2.8
1 Gb Ram
Sb Live 5.1
Cubase SX 2.0.1
KX drv 3537 full or update

Now my questions are....
1-Can you send me a KX default settings file that i can use for everything included recording audio track and good sound and etc.. ?

2-If you cannot, is there a way to set DSP (that i understand it from forum very old time posts..) and other very important and can effect details in KX?

3-I see a connection between sound having and routers...But i dont know how to fix it...

4-When ever i hit to analyzer i see this screen and is it bad (that i see red lines) so i take pictures and send it to yo that yo can see...

I hope you can help that music is my life...I am at home...And i live in TUrkey ..Thank you for your helps till now...

on the pictures from my desktop;
there is winamp on.. I send the pictures to your e mail that i could not past them here...

TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF

So i did it finally..LeMurry, here what i have been asking for...I hope you can help me...Take care all...

JEDDBASE

**dj_stick** · Nov 8, 2004, 02:40 PM

4- Red lines in the analyzer is safe - it just shows ASIO channels in use

JeddBase · Nov 8, 2004, 02:41 PM

I cannot record my audio without other tracks or midi tracks..Whenever i want to record my voice, the track i use to record my voice gets other sounds in it..So i cannot fix it..Whatever i have searched did not never work for it..I am gonna get crazy with it..I record my voice in WaveLab by playing the cubase on the other side of the screen and record my voice and set (import) it to cubase...I need help...Please people....

JeddBase

Lex Nahumury · Nov 8, 2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeddBase

So i did it finally..LeMurry, here what i have been asking for...I hope you can help me...Take care all...
JEDDBASE

[color=yellow]Yep, you finaly got here

[/color]

[color=yellow]About your questions;[/color]
[color=yellow]You really have to study the two Guides I wrote;[/color]
[color=yellow]-the Cubase SX Guide in this thread[/color]
[color=yellow]-the DSP guide; [/color][color=yellow]http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=55649[/color]

[color=yellow]Everything you need to know is described in those Guides.[/color]
[color=yellow]Please take the time to read and learn them first.[/color]
[color=yellow]If you still have questions afterwards, we will try to answer them here.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 09:14 AM

I'm reading your guide LeMury and I want to know what preset is assigned to src asio0/1 in the dsp?

Confused as hell .
Just put the kX drivers back on after using the audigy 2 zx ones for a while -just love the dsp concept and am trying(failing) to learn it.

I can't see synth one in the src presets either.

Regards Darren.

Lex Nahumury · Nov 28, 2004, 11:24 AM

Quote:

.. what preset is assigned to src asio0/1 in the dsp?

[color=yellow]FXBUSS 0/1 (by default)
[/color]

Quote:

I can't see synth one in the src presets either.

[color=yellow]FXBUSS 2/3 (by default)[/color]

Quote:

Confused as hell .
.. just love the dsp concept and am trying(failing) to learn it.

[color=yellow]See my "Newbie DSP guide" in the DSP section of forum.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 11:38 AM

Omg Thanks for replying LeMury!

Now I'm confused again.

What's asio 2/3 if synth 1 is fx bus 2/3?

My brain is approaching meltdown hehe.

Ok I'm gonna read this newbie guide and settle in .

Love the intro to the guide .

"This is a newbie guide, not a "dummies" guide, so I assume you know that a mouse has (at least) two buttons
and that you can doubleclick on things. Use this in kX to find stuff."

Confusing quote number one

:As you can see in Fig.1, there is no signal path around the DSP chip..!!
Thus every audio signal has to go in or out the DSP sooner or later, one way or another.

I don't understand that one bit-no signal path but signal has to go in/out of dsp one way or another?

Ok i'll shaddup now.

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 12:03 PM

No I wont(cuse the grammar)

I'm getting the hang of this src(silly radical connection

-joking)device.

I uploaded an fx bus to my dsp window and checked the assignments of the synths.
Acccording to my fx bus,the synths are located on fx bus channels 13/14.

Is that right?
I looked in the fxbus again and noticed 2 and 3 next to the synths without a fader control and assumed they were fx busses 2/3 but looking at the asio section of fx bus,I see the channels 2/3 of asio are assigned to fx bus 2/3 like the synths.

I'm bloody going off my tree trying to figure this dsp stuff out-I'm a muso for fark sakes.

Lex Nahumury · Nov 28, 2004, 12:44 PM

Quote:

"This is a newbie guide, not a "dummies" guide, so I assume you know that a mouse has (at least) two buttons
and that you can doubleclick on things. Use this in kX to find stuff."

[color=yellow]You won't believe how many people don't know how to use their right mouse button in kX.[/color]

Quote:

As you can see in Fig.1, there is no signal path around the DSP chip..!!
Thus every audio signal has to go in or out the DSP sooner or later, one way or another... I don't understand that one bit-no signal path but signal has to go in/out of dsp one way or another?

[color=yellow]There is No signal path *around* the DSP chip..!![/color]
[color=yellow](As in; "There is no way *around* .....")
Every signal has to go through the DSP.
What is confusing about this statement? (which btw is a very important one)[/color]

Quote:

..I see the channels 2/3 of asio are assigned to fx bus 2/3 like the synths.

[color=yellow]Yep, that's correct.
You can change this 'mapping' in kX Router applet.
A little background;
Your PC *can* generate different kinds of Playback signals depending
on what software etc. you use.
On a 10k1 based card (sblive etc.) there are 16 FXbusses (0 - 15) at your dispossal
for playing back those signals.
(try to see those 16 fxbusses as playback channels *into* the DSP)
Well, one ASIO application alone *can* use up to 16 playback channels already.
if in that case you still need to playback the Synth,
it will be mixed (by the driver) with one of the fxbuss pairs in use.
The default beeing fxbuss 2/3.
[/color]
[color=yellow]So; playback signals 'sharing' the same fxbuss numbers are mixed together
into one signal *before* entering the DSP.[/color]

[color=yellow]That's it.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 12:49 PM

Mate-I really have no idea bout this dsp stuff.

I tried your dsp setup for recording and I don't know what to setup in the mx 6 mixer.

kX drivers are great really for audio engineers not dopey musos like me lol.

My pc is emitting white noise atm after some feedback squeals when trying to setup the mic.lmao

My card is an audigy 2 plat ex so maybe my settings should be different?

Cheers mate.

Lex Nahumury · Nov 28, 2004, 01:05 PM

Quote:

kX drivers are great really for audio engineers not dopey musos like me lol.

[color=yellow]Nah,..Granted, kX can be quite confusing at start.[/color]
[color=yellow]It's not like; plug in your guitar, press a button or two and there you go![/color]
[color=yellow]But, who told you making music on a PC was going to be easy?

[/color]
[color=yellow](whoever did, was a lier)[/color]
[color=yellow]No. It is going to take some time and effort to get things working.[/color]
[color=yellow]Once you've got the hang of it though, ...it will all makes sense.[/color]
[color=yellow]You'll see.[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 01:17 PM

I can't use your dsp setup for recording in your newbies guide-the first time I got feedback ,now what ever I do is silent.
I think it has to do with the compressor-soon as I adjusted that,ecerything went haywire.
Well I've been sitting here for hours trying to work the darn dsp out and getting more depressed and saddened as I go along.

I just am hopeless learning things from books -I need to be shown or by watching a vid and eplained to me a hundred times before it all sinks in.
Playing an instrument is much easier-especially when you've been playing drums for over 30 years.lol
I'm learning guitar atm -that's another can of worms perfect fifths and sus 4's hehe.-when I hear music,it keeps me motivated.

Thanks for your help LeMury-you've been great.

I wish the kX drivers came with presets and step by step tutorials but you don't get something for nothing and the technoids on here who know what they're doing must get awesome value and enjoyment from these drivers while I sit here pulling my hair out lol.

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 01:25 PM

Is it because I'm using the 3538 alpha drivers that the dsp setup isn't working?

I'm using an audigy2 plat ex too.

Still getting feedback noise and no sound through the speakers.

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 01:37 PM

I reloaded your dsp setup LeMury and copied your mx6 settings.

I couldn't hear any reverb when monitoring through the speakers so I clicked on the light reverb to see what was wrong and all hell broke loose.

A high pitched squeal then after I cleared the dsp,a load of white noise.

Maybe I should go back to the 3537 drivers?

Lex Nahumury · Nov 28, 2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

I can't use your dsp setup for recording in your newbies guide-the first time I got feedback ,now what ever I do is silent.
I think it has to do with the compressor-soon as I adjusted that,ecerything went haywire.

[color=yellow]Those setups are merely examples to illustrate what's possible.[/color]
[color=yellow]Here is my advice;[/color]
[color=yellow]Forget about those 'real' fx plugins like compressors, reverbs etc. for now.[/color]
[color=yellow]Concentrate on the I/O plugins and learn where signals 'come from' and 'go to'.[/color]
[color=yellow](This so called signal routing is "the key" in understanding kX)[/color]
[color=yellow]So start with building very simple DSP setups first, like;[/color]
[color=yellow]-one Src -> k2lt[/color]
[color=yellow]Play around with them, and you'll get sound eventualy.[/color]

Quote:

Well I've been sitting here for hours trying to work the darn dsp out and getting more depressed and saddened as I go along.

[color=yellow]Don't force yourself to get the job done in matter of hours.[/color]
[color=yellow]If you really want to use these drivers and benefit from them,[/color]
[color=yellow]give yourself days instead of hours.[/color]
[color=yellow]In other words; change your attitude accordingly.[/color]
[color=yellow]Forget about making music first.[/color]
[color=yellow]That way you don't get depressed and saddened![/color]

[color=yellow]G-Luck,[/color]

[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 01:53 PM

With the cl drivers,I could plug in a mic and bang she 'd work.

These drivers take months to work out just how to monitor.sheesh.

I better go to bed now-I know I'll feel better in the morning(arvo hehe).

smasha · Nov 28, 2004, 10:33 PM

Now at the point of suicide trying to work these drivers out

I'm using Lemury's dsp and now can hear the mic but can't hear the reverb .

You're supposed to hear the reverb while recording but the reverb doesn't go to the recorded wav.

Well I'm getting no reverb at all.

Why do you have to be a technical wizz kid to get into music these days?

Where's my trusty reel to reel hehe.

fvi · Dec 29, 2004, 12:38 PM

great work!
just let you know that in cubase sx2 (don't know if it exists in sx1) the "VST multitrack / expert settings / lower latency" can really improve latency when unchecked on my system (kx3538h)
on big project, i have smooth playback at :
- 10.67 when checked
- 4.00 when unchecked

Lex Nahumury · Dec 29, 2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

expert settings / lower latency" can really improve latency when unchecked on my system (kx3538h)

[color=yellow]Good! Yes, for some reason this flag is always automaticly unchecked when I (re)install Cubase SX. Others have reported the opposite.[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]
[color=yellow]/LeMury[/color]
[color=yellow][/color]

Nov 8, 2004, 02:41 PM	#44
JeddBase DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Antalya, TURKEY Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	And the Major problem is.... I cannot record my audio without other tracks or midi tracks..Whenever i want to record my voice, the track i use to record my voice gets other sounds in it..So i cannot fix it..Whatever i have searched did not never work for it..I am gonna get crazy with it..I record my voice in WaveLab by playing the cubase on the other side of the screen and record my voice and set (import) it to cubase...I need help...Please people.... JeddBase

Nov 28, 2004, 09:14 AM	#46
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	I'm reading your guide LeMury and I want to know what preset is assigned to src asio0/1 in the dsp? Confused as hell . Just put the kX drivers back on after using the audigy 2 zx ones for a while -just love the dsp concept and am trying(failing) to learn it. I can't see synth one in the src presets either. Regards Darren. Last edited by smasha; Nov 28, 2004 at 09:30 AM.

Nov 28, 2004, 11:38 AM	#48
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	Omg Thanks for replying LeMury! Now I'm confused again. What's asio 2/3 if synth 1 is fx bus 2/3? My brain is approaching meltdown hehe. Ok I'm gonna read this newbie guide and settle in . Love the intro to the guide . "This is a newbie guide, not a "dummies" guide, so I assume you know that a mouse has (at least) two buttons and that you can doubleclick on things. Use this in kX to find stuff." Confusing quote number one :As you can see in Fig.1, there is no signal path around the DSP chip..!! Thus every audio signal has to go in or out the DSP sooner or later, one way or another. I don't understand that one bit-no signal path but signal has to go in/out of dsp one way or another? Ok i'll shaddup now. Last edited by smasha; Nov 28, 2004 at 11:54 AM.

Nov 28, 2004, 12:03 PM	#49
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	No I wont(cuse the grammar) I'm getting the hang of this src(silly radical connection -joking)device. I uploaded an fx bus to my dsp window and checked the assignments of the synths. Acccording to my fx bus,the synths are located on fx bus channels 13/14. Is that right? I looked in the fxbus again and noticed 2 and 3 next to the synths without a fader control and assumed they were fx busses 2/3 but looking at the asio section of fx bus,I see the channels 2/3 of asio are assigned to fx bus 2/3 like the synths. I'm bloody going off my tree trying to figure this dsp stuff out-I'm a muso for fark sakes. Last edited by smasha; Nov 28, 2004 at 12:10 PM.

Dec 29, 2004, 12:38 PM	#59
fvi DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Paris, France Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	great work! just let you know that in cubase sx2 (don't know if it exists in sx1) the "VST multitrack / expert settings / lower latency" can really improve latency when unchecked on my system (kx3538h) on big project, i have smooth playback at : - 10.67 when checked - 4.00 when unchecked __________________ Asrock 939Dual SataII / A64 x2 @ 2600Mhz / 2Gb PC3200 / Emu APS / Kx3538h

Nov 4, 2004, 12:08 AM	#31
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,884 Rep Power: 48	>> Nevertheless when ASIO 14 & 15 are selected I see the VU in SX loaded >>with both R+L signal.... [color=yellow]Yes, that's correct, since in my [ASIO] code I just swapped 0/1 with 14/15.[/color] >>.. ,but still no sound. Have I missed something? When I replaced Epilog by >>ASIO in the same setup I did get the direct output. [color=yellow]When you use Epilog, you can not use [k1lt] or [ASIO] the same time..![/color] [color=yellow]The ProFX are 'replacement' plugins.[/color] [color=yellow]So you probably still got k1lt uploaded and wired.[/color] [color=yellow]Delete k1lt, and wire to Epilog instead for direct monitoring.[/color] [color=yellow](don't forget you will have to use kX mixer to switch front/rear speakers when using Epilog)[/color] [color=yellow]Anyway;[/color] [color=yellow]Thanks for testing, but I still dont know if the 'disconnecting/signal swap issue' you mentioned also appears when using Epilog????[/color] [color=yellow][/color] [color=#ffff00]/Lemury[/color] [color=yellow][/color]

Nov 4, 2004, 05:25 AM	#32
patmos DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Terre Rouge, Mauritius Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	[color=#ffff00]So you probably still got k1lt uploaded and wired[/color] No k1lt was not wired. only wavegenerator to Epliog ASIOs.Tonight I'll check whether it is the front /Reae issue I've noticed that ASIO7 get mapped to either IN4 R or IN3 R. Each time I disconnect and reconnect it got swapped between these two This issue was not found with Epilog.

Nov 4, 2004, 05:48 AM	#33
patmos DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Terre Rouge, Mauritius Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I've just check this on CT4832 101k. Same I cannot do any direct monitoring in SX2 though ASIO 0 &1 are working ok on this non issue card.It only appears in the VU.If it appears there must be sound .I even swap between rear and front with no conclusive result. The same thing when done for ASIO works fine.

Nov 4, 2004, 01:58 PM	#35
patmos DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Terre Rouge, Mauritius Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	DJ stick wrote: "[color=yellow]Contrary to what many people believe, ASIO direct monitoring does not allow monitoring of the incoming signal with VST effects; it only provides monitoring of the dry input signal[/color]" This is what I believed dj and I still believe it. In Sx2 when I add a VST effect such as Flanger to the guitar input I can hear it while recording it. So the effect is live and I can know how the recording will sound.Below is what SX tells about direct monitoring: “[color=seagreen]monitoring” means listening to the input signal during recording[/color] [color=seagreen]If you monitor via Cubase SX/SL, the input signal is mixed in with the[/color] [color=seagreen]audio playback. The advantage of this is that you can adjust the monitoring level and panning in the mixer, and add effects and EQ to the monitor signal just as during playback (using the track’s channel strip –not the input bus!).[/color] [color=seagreen]The disadvantage of monitoring via Cubase SX/SL is that the monitored signal will be delayed according to the latency value (which depends on your audio hardware and drivers[/color][that's why I use KX ] ). [color=seagreen]Therefore, monitoring via Cubase SX/SL requires an audio hardware configuration with a low latency valu[/color][color=seagreen]e[/color](KX does) [[color=yellow]so there is no reason to tax your CPU with ASIO2 direct Monitoring[/color]] I agree with this idea but why should we be limited to use only KX vst plugs even if our PC is fast enough to handle these effects. [color=yellow]i don't think direct monitoring works with kX, it has its own variant[/color] I don't understand. Please explain

Nov 4, 2004, 11:53 PM	#38
patmos DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Terre Rouge, Mauritius Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	[color=#ffff00]You must be doing something wrong patmos[/color] If when I replaced Epilog by ASIO DM works, then I cannot understand how Epilog works. Since I know the mapping and Cubase setup has not changed, what should be done for Epilog apart from wiring Wavegenerator OUT to Epilog's ASIO IN. I did same for ASIO. Is it not true that when VU Output is there , there should be an audible sound out? I'll try to find out why

Nov 5, 2004, 02:53 AM	#39
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,884 Rep Power: 48	>>what should be done for Epilog apart from wiring Wavegenerator OUT to >>Epilog's ASIO IN. [color=yellow]You also have to wire FXbus to a physical output.[/color] [color=yellow](All playback signals enter the dsp by fxbus. remember?)[/color] [color=#ffff00][/color] [color=yellow]So to actualy hear whatever is coming out of your program (in this case SX),[/color] [color=yellow]you have to feed it into the DSP through FXbus. Then it goes out of the DSP [/color] [color=yellow]to your speakers by wiring the fxbus ->epilog..![/color] [color=yellow][/color] [color=yellow](everything goes through the DSP. Remember?)[/color] [color=yellow]If it's not clear, let me know, then I will draw a picture.[/color] [color=yellow][/color] [color=yellow]/LeMury[/color] [color=#ffff00]PS:[/color] [color=#ffff00]See picture in my cubase guide on 'how cubase interacts with the DSP'.[/color]

Nov 5, 2004, 03:52 AM	#40
patmos DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Terre Rouge, Mauritius Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Thank you Lemury.I won't forget again to patch Fx bus to Epilog. Ok it works now. [color=#000000] [/color]

Nov 8, 2004, 02:30 PM	#42
JeddBase DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Antalya, TURKEY Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Thank You For Your Understanding..I was going to post it to forum but i am a kind of new of this forum...You can post it if you d like to....And I will try to post it too... First Details; I have Pentium4 2.8 1 Gb Ram Sb Live 5.1 Cubase SX 2.0.1 KX drv 3537 full or update Now my questions are.... 1-Can you send me a KX default settings file that i can use for everything included recording audio track and good sound and etc.. ? 2-If you cannot, is there a way to set DSP (that i understand it from forum very old time posts..) and other very important and can effect details in KX? 3-I see a connection between sound having and routers...But i dont know how to fix it... 4-When ever i hit to analyzer i see this screen and is it bad (that i see red lines) so i take pictures and send it to yo that yo can see... I hope you can help that music is my life...I am at home...And i live in TUrkey ..Thank you for your helps till now... on the pictures from my desktop; there is winamp on.. I send the pictures to your e mail that i could not past them here... TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF So i did it finally..LeMurry, here what i have been asking for...I hope you can help me...Take care all... JEDDBASE

Nov 28, 2004, 12:49 PM	#51
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	Mate-I really have no idea bout this dsp stuff. I tried your dsp setup for recording and I don't know what to setup in the mx 6 mixer. kX drivers are great really for audio engineers not dopey musos like me lol. My pc is emitting white noise atm after some feedback squeals when trying to setup the mic.lmao My card is an audigy 2 plat ex so maybe my settings should be different? Cheers mate.

Nov 28, 2004, 01:17 PM	#53
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	I can't use your dsp setup for recording in your newbies guide-the first time I got feedback ,now what ever I do is silent. I think it has to do with the compressor-soon as I adjusted that,ecerything went haywire. Well I've been sitting here for hours trying to work the darn dsp out and getting more depressed and saddened as I go along. I just am hopeless learning things from books -I need to be shown or by watching a vid and eplained to me a hundred times before it all sinks in. Playing an instrument is much easier-especially when you've been playing drums for over 30 years.lol I'm learning guitar atm -that's another can of worms perfect fifths and sus 4's hehe.-when I hear music,it keeps me motivated. Thanks for your help LeMury-you've been great. I wish the kX drivers came with presets and step by step tutorials but you don't get something for nothing and the technoids on here who know what they're doing must get awesome value and enjoyment from these drivers while I sit here pulling my hair out lol.

Nov 28, 2004, 01:25 PM	#54
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	Is it because I'm using the 3538 alpha drivers that the dsp setup isn't working? I'm using an audigy2 plat ex too. Still getting feedback noise and no sound through the speakers.

Nov 28, 2004, 01:37 PM	#55
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	I reloaded your dsp setup LeMury and copied your mx6 settings. I couldn't hear any reverb when monitoring through the speakers so I clicked on the light reverb to see what was wrong and all hell broke loose. A high pitched squeal then after I cleared the dsp,a load of white noise. Maybe I should go back to the 3537 drivers?

Nov 28, 2004, 01:53 PM	#57
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	With the cl drivers,I could plug in a mic and bang she 'd work. These drivers take months to work out just how to monitor.sheesh. I better go to bed now-I know I'll feel better in the morning(arvo hehe).

Nov 28, 2004, 10:33 PM	#58
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	Now at the point of suicide trying to work these drivers out I'm using Lemury's dsp and now can hear the mic but can't hear the reverb . You're supposed to hear the reverb while recording but the reverb doesn't go to the recorded wav. Well I'm getting no reverb at all. Why do you have to be a technical wizz kid to get into music these days? Where's my trusty reel to reel hehe.

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