Spectrum Analyzer in kX?

lowenz · Aug 18, 2004, 05:09 AM

Add a Spectrum Analyzer plugin in DSP? A GREAT Spectum Analyzer for GREAT drivers like kX.....

Chester01 · Aug 19, 2004, 11:06 AM

that would be a great plugin to have but alas i cant program for shit

lowenz · Aug 20, 2004, 07:06 PM

It's so difficult to create a Spectrum Analyzer Plugin like the "Peak" with classic options - resolution in samples and windowing type (Hamming, Blackmann, etc.) -?
I don't ask for L/R Correlation

Please kX engineers, take care of this!

lowenz

JJones · Dec 3, 2004, 11:56 AM

Well there must be a spectrum analyzer somewhere in it, and it sure would fit nice on the screen that comes up when you press the 'Analyzer' button. I can't seem to find it myself, however...

Chester01 · Dec 3, 2004, 06:22 PM

it works to use 9 crossovers and 10 peaks; you can go from 0-40, 40-80,etc up to 8000 hz (it multiplies out till 5120) THEN just use the output of the high of the last crossover to the last peak. 10 band frequency visulization; im running a dual 733 and kxmixer uses 38-41 % CPU useage (remember that windows calculates it by using one processor fully is 50% SO be sure you have atleast 700 mhz if you wanna do this. it looks cool though

it takes forever to enter all the junk into the dsp though. it would be nice if you could save certain chains in the dsp, so i could send you the analyzer i made

HunterZ · Dec 4, 2004, 01:02 AM

Chester01, on your idea of saving "chains": I always thought that it would be cool to be able to group a set of plugins into a "black box" or "compound plugin" that looks like one plugin but really contains a group of them inside of it. It would make it easier to organize complex DSP setups into something more readable and maintainable, plus it would make it possible to to what you are saying (send someone a compund DSP effect that they can plug into what they already have).

Chester01 · Dec 4, 2004, 09:25 AM

i always thought of it like your idea actually, i just discribed it a bit wierd

anyway, I did make the spectrum analyzer in the dsp as i described it and took a screenshot. Im looking for a free host because my prior host just started requiring $$

anyway the screenshot should be available soon.

Chester01 · Dec 4, 2004, 09:55 AM

http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/Spectrum%20Analyzer.jpg

Chester01 · Dec 4, 2004, 11:09 AM

does the link work for ppl? It works on my computer...

Toadly_Ossum · Dec 4, 2004, 12:47 PM

That looks very cool. But alot of work too!

Toad

HunterZ · Dec 4, 2004, 07:55 PM

Cool!

ROBSCIX · Dec 4, 2004, 11:30 PM

Yes thats a cool thing...Did you try using Max's PeakX..little more flash..Ok one question..so this crossover network is speperate from the audio playbace correct?..I mean it doesn't affect audio does it?....I don't think it Would...I am gonna try this...thats a cool idea....now there is a peak6 plugin floating around..but I never considered using it with the crossover network for the filtering aspect....cool idea...

HunterZ · Dec 5, 2004, 12:23 AM

ROBSCIX: As long as you don't hook the outputs of a plugin (directly or indirectly) to an output (e.g. Epilog, k1lt, k2lt...), the sound won't...umm...get outputted

The Crossover plugins are sending their output to nothing but Peak plugins.

What would be cool is if someone, say, made an expanded version of the 10 Band Eq plugin that has peak meters above or next to the sliders.

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 12:35 AM

Yeah..I figured it out..I posted before I thought it through..I got it hooked up now..Thats a really cool idea you came up with there..Bravo. As I said I think travel REC made the Peak6..which is a peak plugin but has 6 in's...If someone would write a peak plug that was expandable..so you could set it for 2-4-6-10-20..etc...Man I like these drivers more everyday. One more thing where are you getting the crossover points from?...Just experience?..or from an EQ..I am just setting them to the high point..like I will set 40-80 to 80Hz..but I will keep messing with it...I think I am gonna dust off the C+ books and see what I can come up with...once again though..pretty cool...thanks for the idea did you come up with it your self?
P.s. Tha EQ idea sounds good...

HunterZ · Dec 5, 2004, 01:22 AM

It looks like Chester01 started with 40Hz and doubled it for each step (40x2=80, 80x2=160, 160x2=320 etc.), with the exception of the higher steps. I have a couple of hardware and software graphic equalizers handy if you want some numbers to play with (values in Hz):

AudioSource 10 band EQ & spectrum analyzer:
30, 60, 120, 240, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k

Sanyo cheapo boombox 5 band EQ (??? is labeled "BASS ENHANCER" instead of with a frequency):
???, 300, 1k, 3k, 10k

kX 10 Band EQ plugin:
31, 62, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k

Winamp 5.07 10 band EQ:
60, 170, 310, 600, 1k, 3k, 6k, 12k, 14k, 16k

XMPlay 5 band EQ:
63, 250, 1k, 4k, 16k

What I don't know is if those values are lower bounds, mid-points, or upper bounds.

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 01:28 AM

well to be honest, at that time i wuz using the 3537 drivers SO i was also using the UFX crossover which only goes down to 40 hz (and up to 8000) and i just kept going up an octave each time (1 octave= doubling frequency ex. start at 20hz 40hz is one octave up); however with the new 3538c drivers the crossover goes down to 20 hz (EDIT: and up to 20,250)so we could actually tune it to be exactally on the frequency points of the graphic eq's in the drivers (it would more precisely show the changes we implimented with eq's per each "channel" of peak meeter. Another idea would be to calculate what half an octave up is between the eq points, even more accurate i beleive. I will work on something soon. is Peak6 compatable with the 3538c drivers?
and yes i did come up with it myself, it may have been thought of before but I did not kno of this idea before i thought of it

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 01:33 AM

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~holtzd/kx/peak6.rar
^this is the peak6 plugin, it does not work with 3538, other versions I dont know, test and post please!

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 01:40 AM

Just a thought, People can use the Whitecap standalone analyzer..gives FFT..but I don't think you can implement measurment units. I was actually gonna try that in the morning setting the crossover points to the EQ bands..so as you said, changes are visually apparent. as far as 3538 goes..I don't use it yet...I am waiting until it's been tested a little more..3537 works flawless for me so I am sticking with that...does it provide better sound quality than 37?..oh BTW do you have any other bits of wisdom such as this crossover network analyzer...very cool..

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 01:59 AM

EXCELLENT NEWS: in the 3538c drivers it seems that the peak effects use virtually NO CPU, I am running 7 at the moment and kx mixer is using 1% of 1.4 ghz (733*2) so pretty much everyone will be able to do this; I am considering making one of these setups, unloading all other dsp effects and only saving this portion of the dsp. then people can add the other things they need around this. I have been using the 4th order crossovers for the fact that they will be more precise in frequency rance isolation.

an im portant note though is that the 4th order crossover uses:
code: 32
Registers:24
where as the 2nd order uses:
Code:16
Registers:14

IF you need to load lots of other effects that use code and registers you may want to use a 2nd order crossover filter. each peak only uses 4 code and 6 registers so they dont hog many resources....

as for other bits of wisdom, it depends what you wanna do... if you give me something that needs to get done i may find a way for ya

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 02:12 AM

no nothing specific..I just liked the thinking behind the analyzer

, I also mentioned in another thread about suggestions for the new release..I mentioned DSP Containers..so modules can be grouped and locked...saved and loaded..say like in one larger module..save space..and advance configurability 10 fold. you ranalyzer is a perfect example of why this concept could be useful

..to clarify..so instead of showing all the instances of the cross plugs and the peak plugs..there is just one module..then when clicked..it opens the module and shows what effects are contained...sound like a good idea?..I hope eugene like the idea..I think it would advance the KX dsp...people could start designing modules and it would be alot easier than writing them from scratch...basic modules can be used as building blocks for bigger ones...easy to trade..post...etc..I am excited about the concept actually..I hope it gets implememted. awsome flexibility...

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 02:16 AM

http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/Spect...204%20order.kx <no longer works, scroll down

try loading that, it should just be my dsp; tell me if it works, i didnt remove everything, the WAVE thing is the P16v plugin and the outputs is the 10k2 ProFX thing, the other inputs are SRC plugins
EDIT: forgot to mention, this is from 3538c, it PROBABLY will work on 3538a but nothing earlier sorry

EDIT 2: I have 3537 on my other computer still so i maybe can whip something up

NOTE: I set it up so that the 10 Band EQ values land between the values on the crossovers; for example the first changable value on the eq is 31 hz so i took (1/2*31)+31= 46.5 (rounded down to 46) so that changing a value in the eq SHOULD yield a more visual result in the peak meeter, its still quite a hump, it usually shows up in two or three of them (a change)

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 02:21 AM

Well I get incorrect settings..I use a 10K1 proc..and KX 3537..what do you think about the idea? I hope your not trying to send me the analyzer..I already patched one from your diagram and notes..thx..

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 02:28 AM

yes thats the analyzer, maybe i need to unload everything but the analyzer... hmmmm (plus its for 3538 at the moment, im workin on the 2nd order one for 3538 right now but then ill proally make one for 3537)

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 02:31 AM

What do you think about the idea for the DSP containers?..in the concept I am speaking of...I edited the earlier post so you mgith not have read it all...

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 02:48 AM

i definately agree about the container thing; there would need to be a system to make sure compatability would be kept between different cards (the "containers" would have to be either labled or something for say 10k2 vs 10k1 cards (if it were a possible issue with that "effect box"))
JUST DSP SETUPS for Analyzer: 3538, i will edit this when i get the 3537 done (i only saved dsp with only spectrum analyzer loaded so it should be backwards compatable with everyone) just add a src plugin, a gain, and a k1/2lt plugin and you can test it out

EDIT: I feel the meathod I used to pack these Spectrum Analyzer effects would work if we were to make a section of the KX site dedicated to "pre packaged" DSP's which the user would add their own inputs and outputs and we would have different effect banks for people to try out and use...

INFO:4th Order Crossovers- 3538- Spectrum- Between EQ Frequency Splits-10 Band
http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/3538%...204%20Order.kx

INFO:2nd Order Crossovers- 3538- Spectrum- Between EQ Frequency Splits-10 Band
http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/3538%...202%20Order.kx

THE 3537 ANALYZERS WILL REQUIRE MAX'S UFX PACK!
NOTE: Also, due to limitations of the UFX crossover, you will only be able to split frequencies from 40 to 8000 hz

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 02:58 AM

but thats exactly what I mean..if this container Idea gets implemented..then Modules could be exchanged easily.....so people could download one script that represents what plugs should be in this container..how they are internally routed and what the inputs and outputs are..I have been thinking alot about it actually it definatley could put kx up another notch...configurablitlty would be amazing...ok I'll give you an example..your analyzer is one...OK say a guitarist wants a custom distortion....he could add a gain..a timbre.a distortion.a p5.and output gain..if these are all in this container then the only thing that would show up in KX DSP is one Rectangular module with in's/out's..until clicked then finer points could be tweaked...
I am gonna do alittle more work with that offline processing idea you use for the analyzer...I pieced one together pretty easy as soon as I understood the concept....

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 03:05 AM

I thin Eugene would need to make some drastic changes to "box them" "physically" in the dsp however CURRENTLY we could unload all but the things that would be boxed and send those (when saving, only check the DSP option, not the other ones) also list driver version and any extra necessary effects (it would be nice if people gave links for them too...) anyways, this can be implimented NOW if we really wanted to... hopefully eugene will read this

EDIT:btw, im workin on the 3537 one for ya now

(ill have both 2 and 4 order crossovers, i dont kno how that will change cpu useage, it is really much better in 3538, like 2% with all analyzers running)

ROBSCIX · Dec 5, 2004, 03:13 AM

Yah I guess it can be done now in a rough kind of way but then people need to rewire their ins and outs...you do not need to work on anything for me..I already have the analyzer built...thankxs for the time though..I don't think I can use 4 order..I only have a 10K1 processor so I run out of resources...The one I built now works fine..I just need to tweak it a bit more and get the crosses set where I want them..

Chester01 · Dec 5, 2004, 03:30 AM

well other people can use it it guess

i find my meathod has been working best because what happens is considering the fact that each octave you doubble frequency, this falls 1/3 back so right in the middle of the octave (1/2*X)+X, where x is the eq frequency. i just built the 4 order one for 3537 (we've had quite a few reads on our thread here ive noticed so im sure other people want to try out what weve been talking about without taking half an hour to make all the connections and junk

EDIT: FYI, if you are pressed for resources, the UFX PeakX plugin uses one less register than Peak

**dj_stick** · Dec 5, 2004, 03:36 AM

hmm a nice idea for a multicard setup… send the signal to one of the slave cards and use the DSP there solely for spectrum analysis

Aug 18, 2004, 05:09 AM	#1
lowenz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Spectrum Analyzer in kX? Add a Spectrum Analyzer plugin in DSP? A GREAT Spectum Analyzer for GREAT drivers like kX..... __________________ if there's a shadows, there's a light too

Aug 19, 2004, 11:06 AM	#2
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	that would be a great plugin to have but alas i cant program for shit __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Aug 20, 2004, 07:06 PM	#3
lowenz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	It's so difficult to create a Spectrum Analyzer Plugin like the "Peak" with classic options - resolution in samples and windowing type (Hamming, Blackmann, etc.) -? I don't ask for L/R Correlation Please kX engineers, take care of this! lowenz __________________ if there's a shadows, there's a light too

Dec 3, 2004, 06:22 PM	#5
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	it works to use 9 crossovers and 10 peaks; you can go from 0-40, 40-80,etc up to 8000 hz (it multiplies out till 5120) THEN just use the output of the high of the last crossover to the last peak. 10 band frequency visulization; im running a dual 733 and kxmixer uses 38-41 % CPU useage (remember that windows calculates it by using one processor fully is 50% SO be sure you have atleast 700 mhz if you wanna do this. it looks cool though it takes forever to enter all the junk into the dsp though. it would be nice if you could save certain chains in the dsp, so i could send you the analyzer i made __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 4, 2004, 09:25 AM	#7
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	i always thought of it like your idea actually, i just discribed it a bit wierd anyway, I did make the spectrum analyzer in the dsp as i described it and took a screenshot. Im looking for a free host because my prior host just started requiring $$ anyway the screenshot should be available soon. __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 3, 2004, 11:56 AM	#4
JJones DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Well there must be a spectrum analyzer somewhere in it, and it sure would fit nice on the screen that comes up when you press the 'Analyzer' button. I can't seem to find it myself, however...

Dec 4, 2004, 01:02 AM	#6
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Chester01, on your idea of saving "chains": I always thought that it would be cool to be able to group a set of plugins into a "black box" or "compound plugin" that looks like one plugin but really contains a group of them inside of it. It would make it easier to organize complex DSP setups into something more readable and maintainable, plus it would make it possible to to what you are saying (send someone a compund DSP effect that they can plug into what they already have).

Dec 4, 2004, 09:55 AM	#8
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/Spectrum%20Analyzer.jpg __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 4, 2004, 11:09 AM	#9
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	does the link work for ppl? It works on my computer... __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 4, 2004, 12:47 PM	#10
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	That looks very cool. But alot of work too! Toad

Dec 4, 2004, 07:55 PM	#11
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Cool!

Dec 4, 2004, 11:30 PM	#12
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	Yes thats a cool thing...Did you try using Max's PeakX..little more flash..Ok one question..so this crossover network is speperate from the audio playbace correct?..I mean it doesn't affect audio does it?....I don't think it Would...I am gonna try this...thats a cool idea....now there is a peak6 plugin floating around..but I never considered using it with the crossover network for the filtering aspect....cool idea...

Dec 5, 2004, 12:23 AM	#13
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	ROBSCIX: As long as you don't hook the outputs of a plugin (directly or indirectly) to an output (e.g. Epilog, k1lt, k2lt...), the sound won't...umm...get outputted The Crossover plugins are sending their output to nothing but Peak plugins. What would be cool is if someone, say, made an expanded version of the 10 Band Eq plugin that has peak meters above or next to the sliders.

Dec 5, 2004, 12:35 AM	#14
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	Yeah..I figured it out..I posted before I thought it through..I got it hooked up now..Thats a really cool idea you came up with there..Bravo. As I said I think travel REC made the Peak6..which is a peak plugin but has 6 in's...If someone would write a peak plug that was expandable..so you could set it for 2-4-6-10-20..etc...Man I like these drivers more everyday. One more thing where are you getting the crossover points from?...Just experience?..or from an EQ..I am just setting them to the high point..like I will set 40-80 to 80Hz..but I will keep messing with it...I think I am gonna dust off the C+ books and see what I can come up with...once again though..pretty cool...thanks for the idea did you come up with it your self? P.s. Tha EQ idea sounds good...

Dec 5, 2004, 01:22 AM	#15
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	It looks like Chester01 started with 40Hz and doubled it for each step (40x2=80, 80x2=160, 160x2=320 etc.), with the exception of the higher steps. I have a couple of hardware and software graphic equalizers handy if you want some numbers to play with (values in Hz): AudioSource 10 band EQ & spectrum analyzer: 30, 60, 120, 240, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k Sanyo cheapo boombox 5 band EQ (??? is labeled "BASS ENHANCER" instead of with a frequency): ???, 300, 1k, 3k, 10k kX 10 Band EQ plugin: 31, 62, 125, 250, 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k Winamp 5.07 10 band EQ: 60, 170, 310, 600, 1k, 3k, 6k, 12k, 14k, 16k XMPlay 5 band EQ: 63, 250, 1k, 4k, 16k What I don't know is if those values are lower bounds, mid-points, or upper bounds.

Dec 5, 2004, 01:28 AM	#16
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	well to be honest, at that time i wuz using the 3537 drivers SO i was also using the UFX crossover which only goes down to 40 hz (and up to 8000) and i just kept going up an octave each time (1 octave= doubling frequency ex. start at 20hz 40hz is one octave up); however with the new 3538c drivers the crossover goes down to 20 hz (EDIT: and up to 20,250)so we could actually tune it to be exactally on the frequency points of the graphic eq's in the drivers (it would more precisely show the changes we implimented with eq's per each "channel" of peak meeter. Another idea would be to calculate what half an octave up is between the eq points, even more accurate i beleive. I will work on something soon. is Peak6 compatable with the 3538c drivers? and yes i did come up with it myself, it may have been thought of before but I did not kno of this idea before i thought of it __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 5, 2004, 01:33 AM	#17
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~holtzd/kx/peak6.rar ^this is the peak6 plugin, it does not work with 3538, other versions I dont know, test and post please! __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 5, 2004, 01:40 AM	#18
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	Just a thought, People can use the Whitecap standalone analyzer..gives FFT..but I don't think you can implement measurment units. I was actually gonna try that in the morning setting the crossover points to the EQ bands..so as you said, changes are visually apparent. as far as 3538 goes..I don't use it yet...I am waiting until it's been tested a little more..3537 works flawless for me so I am sticking with that...does it provide better sound quality than 37?..oh BTW do you have any other bits of wisdom such as this crossover network analyzer...very cool..

Dec 5, 2004, 01:59 AM	#19
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	EXCELLENT NEWS: in the 3538c drivers it seems that the peak effects use virtually NO CPU, I am running 7 at the moment and kx mixer is using 1% of 1.4 ghz (733*2) so pretty much everyone will be able to do this; I am considering making one of these setups, unloading all other dsp effects and only saving this portion of the dsp. then people can add the other things they need around this. I have been using the 4th order crossovers for the fact that they will be more precise in frequency rance isolation. an im portant note though is that the 4th order crossover uses: code: 32 Registers:24 where as the 2nd order uses: Code:16 Registers:14 IF you need to load lots of other effects that use code and registers you may want to use a 2nd order crossover filter. each peak only uses 4 code and 6 registers so they dont hog many resources.... as for other bits of wisdom, it depends what you wanna do... if you give me something that needs to get done i may find a way for ya __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 5, 2004, 02:12 AM	#20
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	no nothing specific..I just liked the thinking behind the analyzer, I also mentioned in another thread about suggestions for the new release..I mentioned DSP Containers..so modules can be grouped and locked...saved and loaded..say like in one larger module..save space..and advance configurability 10 fold. you ranalyzer is a perfect example of why this concept could be useful..to clarify..so instead of showing all the instances of the cross plugs and the peak plugs..there is just one module..then when clicked..it opens the module and shows what effects are contained...sound like a good idea?..I hope eugene like the idea..I think it would advance the KX dsp...people could start designing modules and it would be alot easier than writing them from scratch...basic modules can be used as building blocks for bigger ones...easy to trade..post...etc..I am excited about the concept actually..I hope it gets implememted. awsome flexibility... Last edited by ROBSCIX; Dec 5, 2004 at 02:19 AM.

Dec 5, 2004, 02:16 AM	#21
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/Spect...204%20order.kx <no longer works, scroll down try loading that, it should just be my dsp; tell me if it works, i didnt remove everything, the WAVE thing is the P16v plugin and the outputs is the 10k2 ProFX thing, the other inputs are SRC plugins EDIT: forgot to mention, this is from 3538c, it PROBABLY will work on 3538a but nothing earlier sorry EDIT 2: I have 3537 on my other computer still so i maybe can whip something up NOTE: I set it up so that the 10 Band EQ values land between the values on the crossovers; for example the first changable value on the eq is 31 hz so i took (1/231)+31= 46.5 (rounded down to 46) so that changing a value in the eq SHOULD yield a more visual result in the peak meeter, its still quite a hump, it usually shows up in two or three of them (a change) __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands... Last edited by Chester01; Dec 5, 2004 at 02:57 AM.*

Dec 5, 2004, 02:21 AM	#22
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	Well I get incorrect settings..I use a 10K1 proc..and KX 3537..what do you think about the idea? I hope your not trying to send me the analyzer..I already patched one from your diagram and notes..thx..

Dec 5, 2004, 02:28 AM	#23
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	yes thats the analyzer, maybe i need to unload everything but the analyzer... hmmmm (plus its for 3538 at the moment, im workin on the 2nd order one for 3538 right now but then ill proally make one for 3537) __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 5, 2004, 02:31 AM	#24
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	What do you think about the idea for the DSP containers?..in the concept I am speaking of...I edited the earlier post so you mgith not have read it all...

Dec 5, 2004, 02:48 AM	#25
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	i definately agree about the container thing; there would need to be a system to make sure compatability would be kept between different cards (the "containers" would have to be either labled or something for say 10k2 vs 10k1 cards (if it were a possible issue with that "effect box")) JUST DSP SETUPS for Analyzer: 3538, i will edit this when i get the 3537 done (i only saved dsp with only spectrum analyzer loaded so it should be backwards compatable with everyone) just add a src plugin, a gain, and a k1/2lt plugin and you can test it out EDIT: I feel the meathod I used to pack these Spectrum Analyzer effects would work if we were to make a section of the KX site dedicated to "pre packaged" DSP's which the user would add their own inputs and outputs and we would have different effect banks for people to try out and use... INFO:4th Order Crossovers- 3538- Spectrum- Between EQ Frequency Splits-10 Band http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/3538%...204%20Order.kx INFO:2nd Order Crossovers- 3538- Spectrum- Between EQ Frequency Splits-10 Band http://n.1asphost.com/Chesteta/3538%...202%20Order.kx THE 3537 ANALYZERS WILL REQUIRE MAX'S UFX PACK! NOTE: Also, due to limitations of the UFX crossover, you will only be able to split frequencies from 40 to 8000 hz __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands... Last edited by Chester01; Dec 5, 2004 at 02:54 AM.

Dec 5, 2004, 02:58 AM	#26
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	but thats exactly what I mean..if this container Idea gets implemented..then Modules could be exchanged easily.....so people could download one script that represents what plugs should be in this container..how they are internally routed and what the inputs and outputs are..I have been thinking alot about it actually it definatley could put kx up another notch...configurablitlty would be amazing...ok I'll give you an example..your analyzer is one...OK say a guitarist wants a custom distortion....he could add a gain..a timbre.a distortion.a p5.and output gain..if these are all in this container then the only thing that would show up in KX DSP is one Rectangular module with in's/out's..until clicked then finer points could be tweaked... I am gonna do alittle more work with that offline processing idea you use for the analyzer...I pieced one together pretty easy as soon as I understood the concept....

Dec 5, 2004, 03:05 AM	#27
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	I thin Eugene would need to make some drastic changes to "box them" "physically" in the dsp however CURRENTLY we could unload all but the things that would be boxed and send those (when saving, only check the DSP option, not the other ones) also list driver version and any extra necessary effects (it would be nice if people gave links for them too...) anyways, this can be implimented NOW if we really wanted to... hopefully eugene will read this EDIT:btw, im workin on the 3537 one for ya now (ill have both 2 and 4 order crossovers, i dont kno how that will change cpu useage, it is really much better in 3538, like 2% with all analyzers running) __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Dec 5, 2004, 03:13 AM	#28
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 0	Yah I guess it can be done now in a rough kind of way but then people need to rewire their ins and outs...you do not need to work on anything for me..I already have the analyzer built...thankxs for the time though..I don't think I can use 4 order..I only have a 10K1 processor so I run out of resources...The one I built now works fine..I just need to tweak it a bit more and get the crosses set where I want them..

Dec 5, 2004, 03:30 AM	#29
Chester01 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 487 Rep Power: 0	well other people can use it it guess i find my meathod has been working best because what happens is considering the fact that each octave you doubble frequency, this falls 1/3 back so right in the middle of the octave (1/2*X)+X, where x is the eq frequency. i just built the 4 order one for 3537 (we've had quite a few reads on our thread here ive noticed so im sure other people want to try out what weve been talking about without taking half an hour to make all the connections and junk EDIT: FYI, if you are pressed for resources, the UFX PeakX plugin uses one less register than Peak __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...