How to setting up for Musicians (guit/voice audio,the rest midi)

mrvomit

Musician question:
I was working usually (anoher pc) WITH cakewalk pro audio, and creative drivers
-Guitars,bass,voice : recorded audio.
-drums ,keyboards : midi (soundfonts converted by libraries).
Now in my House pc i switched to KX not only to hear good, but to compose stuff.I 've already tried to read ALL i can here aroundthe faq's.

1)Installed Cakewalk pro audio 9. My Audio projects are in 44.1 khz .

When i've played them, they sounded ORRIBLE(tiny and reverbed like). In "option-audio-drivers" Section (in cakewalk) i have DISaBLED KWAVE 6/7 and 8/9 drivers..:
THAT (dunno how)WORKED for playback (it sounds normal now..HOW is it?). So it seems i can record/playback in 44.1 in some way with Kx..or am i wrong?

2)MiC2/LINE2:

i 've putted a gain-plugin between prolog and kroter..i hear louder,but the record its REALLY at LOW volume, even with rec-meter set up maximum,how i can raise the record level of mic2 too?(a dsp plugin too?)

3)Soundfonts sound a bit too "Low velocity", and the difference of Volume between different velocities (of the same sample in soundfont, Drums expecially), is often unnoticeable (though it was before), its a way to make them sound better?

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4) less "urgent at the moment:
In NUENDO..how to load soundfonts?I want to learn to use nuendo also,
i can select the ksynth,but i can't find any "patch section",to choose the instruments of the bank.(i should search for the plugin created y 1 guy here on forum,or is it a little support for sf2 in nuendo?),i can't even to map correctly or use the Really WEIRD score in nuendo at the moment.
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I think the most of us use those "programs to make music"and need something similar.Could be really GREAT to Find TIPS For MUsICIANS on "kxknowlegebase" also, there are just 1 little explanation for 1 function in Logic pro (which, by the way, now is only mac-suppored actually) .

I'm not programmer, and hardly i understand the basics of that Great driver,so i find still difficulties to find the answers in the documentation around.
BIg thank in advance

Tiger M

I agree that a more comprehensive kx dsp guide would be appropriate, but who has the time for such an effort?

I suggest you clear the dsp window, load a couple of Src and a k1/2lt and an Asio (all from the ProFX menu) and put gains, effects, mixes or whatever between them. That's the best setup for audio recording and you can control everything from the dsp window (you will lose much of the kxmixer functionality by unloading xrouting anyway).

Have fun

mrvomit

thanks for the your suggestion bro, but
none of my questions above got an answer

in that way..if i clear dsp window i 'll lose the bit of practice th. i've "gained" as for now (many Hours just to understand the very basics),and i have to study the documents even more to get the right connections..

Answer like "possibilty are endless" (i don intend in rude way) don' help the newbies like me, even if i know th. time it's what precious for everybody,just a little more "easy step" explanation could HELP dozen, hundert of us,and spare a lot of headaches (you can't imagine my previous night on pc )

/quote but who has the time for such an effort/quote
At least "one shots" tips in kx knowlefge would avoid a lot of questions on the forum..there are just 3!!! "topic"in knowledge,and 1 only for Logic

the basics i 've requested in the topic,
Nobody has some tips for those question i did above?

Tiger M

I'm shure that if you spend some time searching the forum you'll find answers for most of them, but anyway:

Yes you can, it depends on the recording software you are using.

Think of the DSP window as an effects rack or a stomp box board or whatever... You chain effects one after another and that's all. Put a peak meter right after the Gain. If the sound gets clipped, than you can't get more clean gain. You should try to use a compressor to compress the peaks, that way you can achieve a little more gain without clipping. Take a look at the wave plot in your recording software - if it gets close or over the borders than the level is sufficiently high, even excessively.

Put another gain after the synth outs (on fxbus or Src). I haven't noticed such lack in dynamic range with kX, maybe it's a Cakewalk software issue (not the best audio software company).

Tiger M

Oh, and don't call me bro

mrvomit

uhm i think you get offended, it was far from my intentions

[quote=I haven't noticed such lack in dynamic range with kX[/QUOTE]
Soundfont : Attacks and Releases
it looks i'm not the only one,at least (i found NOW ,its a bug of the driver)

thanks for that useful tip(compressor and so on)..

its my english that is shity.. :
I HEAR the mic2/line2 (after i 've putted the gain betw. prolog and kxrouter) ,
but the-recorded voice is Low
..WHERE i should put the "gain" plugin to get a louder RECORD of line2 ?,

That Was my REQuest since the very beginning,
that's why i got lost from the general answers (i putted "gain EVERYWHERE,but did'nt change a bit).

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O T :
and Tiger,i DON PRETEND th. YOU answer at any cost to my post's ,
i was just askin to someone for more particular answers or whatever,as speaking about "Src "(though i red already the faqs) its like ARAB at the present moment
(By the way ,i know th. Just YOU answered to my -various-questions,so don take me for ungrateful, as i acknowledge that clearly)

ps:from now on,you'll be Tiger M and nothing else, i promise
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And when i will go skilled enough , i 'll can help other , too.

thomasabarnes

Hey, Tiger M, that's a matter of opinion. I'm pro CakeWalk.

mrvomit:

Check out this guide by LeMury on using the ProFX plugins: Why is it so confusing !! ?? !!

Studying this guide will be very helpful, and give you a good understaning of how to work in the DSP! At first, the DSP seems hard to figure out, but once you know what you're doing, it's easy to make your own DSP setups.

When you understand the DSP, you will be able to answer your own questions posted in your 1st post.

Sincerely, thomasabarnes

mrvomit

hey thanks to you thomasalso .i'm relieved :-)
cakewalk pro 9 too here, the easiest to use on the planet...thanks for the link (i think it 'll be another hard night on pc,before to go to work).

Did you get you also th strange "drivers" behaviour?

i had to disable "6/7 and 8/9 wave-out " drivers in cakewalk; if i enable 6/7 ,the sounds go low, if i enable 7/8 kx wave out , sounds get REALLY Low,and i did'nt figure why..
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Guys ,what you think about one "upload KX settings"(.kx files) section?

Since there are tons of beginners like me , should be great to have "ready-example" to load in kxmixer-dsp and so,to understand in Short-time how the thing works!!
Kx files are so tiny th. would be no Effort At all to upload them for the studyiing!

What you think about?

Tiger M

I don't get offended that easy, I just don't like the sound of it

yes, I'm aware of the well known "attack bug", but it's not as obvious as you expressed it at first

forget the M, I used it because Tiger was already used


sorry, I should keep my opinion for myself from time to time

well, that's a very usual idea by new users, but due to sound card differences you can't be shure that it will work for everyone, so it's not a good idea. Maybe pictures of dsp setups...

Have fun.

mrvomit

i'm so NEWBBBBER

peate

You know Mr.Vomit, you can save the DSP set-up after you play with it, just give it a name you'll remember. Then you can always go back if you really screw it up.

It's real easy using Pro FX plug ins. The SRC plug in (source) let you assign any input you want to it.

Just experiment, start with an empty DSP, load one src, re-name it to whatever input you want to use, double click it to open the menu and pick from the drop down list. Next load either the K1lt or the epilog from the default plug-ins. It has clearer labels on the inputs. Now run some wires from your src to the top two inputs of the other plug in. You now have a direct path to your speakers. You can add gains and other plug-ins in between the two, and remember to save often if you start making progress.

Pierre

dj_stick

follow peate's advice - this is the beginneing of mastering the DSP… just try a little experimentation and after a while you will haev the perfect DSP setup for you

mrvomit

tip copied and pasted (along the other thread linked,good as well..it has to be stycky also)!! .yeah i 'm practicing ,its more "light" here.. really big thanks guys.

Still strange beahaviours:

the recorded sound of the guitar (from spdif) is a bit "tiny" (the timbre ,not the volume only) compared to creative, which should be IMPOSSIBLE considered the improved quality .
I will take sample of a same little pattern of guitar with creative and kx and i will edit this post to show,but before i'll go through your tips to see what happen,

as for now :if i create ,say, Src "mic2" and i wire 2! gains-in serial-to epilog,the sound is still low(just after 3!1 gains in serial i hear good volume),

..if i wire direct to k1lt (mapped so i wire correctly to rear out ,or front out) it doesn't produce any sound..:k1lt works maybe only with audigy?
If not I'm beginning to fear th.maybe drivers got installed badly,not sure,i will see
Thanks thanks and still thanks for your time,guys