Would an Audigy2 work with the Live!Drive from Live! PLatinum 5.1 ?

dusten · Dec 2, 2003, 03:20 AM

Does anyone have experience with this?

If I go out and buy an Audigy2 and try to hook it up to my Live!Drive would it work!???

I sure hope so.....

HunterZ · Dec 2, 2003, 05:03 PM

I don't have any personal experience, but I'm fairly certain that I've read that you can't do this because the pinouts on the Audigy2 are different than on the Live! for connecting to an external drive adapter.

dusten · Dec 2, 2003, 05:35 PM

it's what i heard also.
if anybody has any excperience with this, speak up!

i heard that the audigy1 will work with it.
so my next question of course is..... what's the BIG difference between audigy1 and audigy2 ?

Daniel Drummond · Dec 2, 2003, 09:56 PM

I asked this a while ago and Eugene answered that it might be possible, but would need special cabling, because the connections are different. No one has been brave enough to try it out yet...

scobywhru · Dec 2, 2003, 10:55 PM

Yeah that cable to connect them is different you would need to either make a new cable or find one that would work, might as well google it and see waht shows up

dusten · Dec 2, 2003, 10:56 PM

hmm.... That's definitely something to go on. Thanks a lot!

kelvink · Dec 2, 2003, 11:41 PM

I'm been looking for the AUD_EXT pinout on the audigy 2 here and there and found NO CLUE. Soundblaster.com docuemnts AUD_EXT pinout for audigy, but not audigy 2.

I guess we gotta keep waiting.

dusten · Dec 3, 2003, 01:07 AM

damn... that's a good lead though. i'm going to look myself. let you know if anything turns up!

dusten · Dec 3, 2003, 01:15 AM

Apparently people are pissed off about Creative not supplying the Pinouts for the AUD_EXT

let's create a Class-Action lawsuit. haha

Check out this post (the creativelabs forums are raging with questions on the AD_EXT pinout issue):

I have bought Audigy 2 ZS yesterday and I must say that I am impressed with the package, the card and the latest drivers as well as the sound quality. There are few minor issues but I am sure they will fixed. After all this is rather new product.

I had SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Digital before and it had nice little help file with internal and external connector pinouts. It was very handy to have it since I am making my cables myself and I would not want to screw something up.

Now for the sad part, where is that help file now? I can't find it and people are desperately looking for pinouts all over the web.

I understand that Creative got a lot of damaged cards from dumb users connecting toasters but I do not undertand nor approve Creative monopoly on breakout boxes and cables. Someone could make class action lawsuit out of it.

You have to provide us with pinouts for Audigy 2/ZS cards. You can include disclaimer with it so the less experienced users won't mess with it and the others could do it at their own risk.

Face it, sooner or later someone will reverse-engineer it, and the pinouts will end up on the web so you will lose monopoly anyway. What you don't have to lose is credibility of your product support.
Best regards,
Igor

igor_levicki · Dec 3, 2003, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dusten
Apparently people are pissed off about Creative not supplying the Pinouts for the AUD_EXT

let's create a Class-Action lawsuit. haha

Check out this post (the creativelabs forums are raging with questions on the AD_EXT pinout issue):

I have bought Audigy 2 ZS yesterday and I must say that I am impressed with the package, the card and the latest drivers as well as the sound quality. There are few minor issues but I am sure they will fixed. After all this is rather new product.

I had SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Digital before and it had nice little help file with internal and external connector pinouts. It was very handy to have it since I am making my cables myself and I would not want to screw something up.

Now for the sad part, where is that help file now? I can't find it and people are desperately looking for pinouts all over the web.

I understand that Creative got a lot of damaged cards from dumb users connecting toasters but I do not undertand nor approve Creative monopoly on breakout boxes and cables. Someone could make class action lawsuit out of it.

You have to provide us with pinouts for Audigy 2/ZS cards. You can include disclaimer with it so the less experienced users won't mess with it and the others could do it at their own risk.

Face it, sooner or later someone will reverse-engineer it, and the pinouts will end up on the web so you will lose monopoly anyway. What you don't have to lose is credibility of your product support.
Best regards,
Igor

He, he, that was me who wrote that!

I am sure that someone will discover the pinout.
I would do it myself - not a big deal but I don't have scope and internal or external breakout box. I have Audigy 2 ZS so if I can be of any help just let me know okay?

Samir · Dec 5, 2003, 09:17 PM

Bravo Igore! Nek' si im rek'o...

Well, the thing is that i could borrow scope & i have Audigy2, but i don't have Audigy2 drive or similar...
Anyone thinks that AD_EXT could be scoped WITHOUT actually having anything connected to it? If only there is a known way of ENABLING AD_EXT (like resistor thing on Live! AUD_EXT)...

NightBreed · Dec 5, 2003, 09:42 PM

>>Yeah that cable to connect them is different you would need to either make a new cable or find one that would work

If I'm not mistaken, one could use the cd audio wires to connect the live drive to the card, it would take alot to do it but it would work.
I used the same types of wires to build a front end port for an old live card that didnt have a live drive. As far as the pins, I believe the old site that dealt with the hacked aps drivers had a link to a site with the mapping.

zekeode · Dec 20, 2003, 12:51 PM

Any progress on this one?

dusten · Dec 20, 2003, 02:46 PM

not for me. i'd like to hear anybody elses findings.

igor_levicki · Dec 20, 2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samir
Bravo Igore! Nek' si im rek'o...

Well, the thing is that i could borrow scope & i have Audigy2, but i don't have Audigy2 drive or similar...
Anyone thinks that AD_EXT could be scoped WITHOUT actually having anything connected to it? If only there is a known way of ENABLING AD_EXT (like resistor thing on Live! AUD_EXT)...

Nego sta!

I could get a scope too but what you need is a working drive for audigy 2 and to connect something to it so you can check which pins carry digital signal in i2s or SPDIF format and for which input/output on the drive. You can already check which pins are ground and VCC with the multimeter. Then you can experiment with connecting the other signals to the old drive one by one until you get them all to work. That is what I would try but as I said I don't have even the old drive to try. Also, I think that you couldn't use 192KHz recording with it since ADCs in the old drive are probably up to 96KHz only and probably lower quality ones.

**dj_stick** · Dec 20, 2003, 05:26 PM

In the latest version of kX, the first few mappings of the Audigy 2 as_Ext have been listed in the help file, so maybe all is not lost

zekeode · Dec 28, 2003, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dj_stick
In the latest version of kX, the first few mappings of the Audigy 2 as_Ext have been listed in the help file, so maybe all is not lost

That is a good news, but... im losing my hope on this one.

btw. Does Audigy 2 ZS Drive bay work with Audigy2 bulk? Anyone?

**dj_stick** · Jan 3, 2004, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zekeode
That is a good news, but... im losing my hope on this one.

btw. Does Audigy 2 ZS Drive bay work with Audigy2 bulk? Anyone?

it sohuld, as long as there is the same connector on the card - AD_EXT

RIV@NVX · Jan 3, 2004, 01:13 PM

Hi there,
I have Audigy2 OEM and Audigy1 Platinum; I can connect the drive (just turning the cable), but so far I haven't got it to work. I will try to do a bit more research.

RIV@NVX · Jan 3, 2004, 01:54 PM

Nope, kX doesn't detect the drive; but I am not quite sure that hardware isn't broken.

**dj_stick** · Jan 3, 2004, 06:43 PM

the connections between audigy and audigy drvie and audigy 2 and audigy 2 drive are different, where aqs the live! is the same as audigy

twisted_steel · Jan 5, 2004, 12:59 PM

Are the 10 pinouts on this page for the Audigy2 AUD_EXT connector all that have been currently discovered? All I've been able to find on various forums are people asking for the pinouts, and have been trying to get the informatioin from Creative support. I ask because I want to hook up my Antec case's front panel audio connectors to the board, but have no idea where to put my 7 leads

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Audio Connections
There is an Intel standard 10-pin connector (with also 7 individual wires with
individual connectors) attached to a gray wire leading from the front panel
speaker and microphone connectors. If your motherboard supports Intel's standard
onboard audio connector, you can plug the 10-pin connector directly onto the
board. For non-Intel standard audio connections, you will need to plug the 7
individual connectors into the motherboard.
Instructions for non-standard audio connections
1. Locate the internal audio connectors from your motherboard or sound card.
2. Consult your motherboard or sound card manual for the pin-out positions.
3. Microphone Power Pin: Connect the MIC connector to this pin.
4. Microphone Input Pin: Connect the MIC-BIAS connector to this pin.
5. Ground Pin: Connect the AUD GND connector to this pin.
6. Front Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-R connector to this pin.
7. Front Left Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-L connector to this pin.
8. Rear Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the RET-R connector to this pin.
9. Rear Left Speaker Out Pin: Connect RET-L connector to this pin
Note: Your motherboard may not support rear speaker output. In this case, you
do not need to connect RET-R and RET-L.

**dj_stick** · Jan 5, 2004, 05:46 PM

to get analogue outs on the front panel(or mic/line in) you have to solder the wires directly to the pins on the sockets at the rear of the card (where you plug the 3.5 mm jacks into)

twisted_steel · Jan 5, 2004, 06:17 PM

Is there a way to somehow clip the wires on there instead of soldering? The only reason I ask is it would be hard to return a card with solder on it

.

**dj_stick** · Jan 5, 2004, 06:40 PM

itz kind of hard to clip them on, you could use a bit of tape, but that can easily slip, if you solder, and then de-solder later on (with one of those solder sucker thingies, or a vacuum cleaner) the ppl at the store won't know the difference, unless you've burnt the actual pcb
whcih is possible
go to this website for the description on how to solder and where
http://www.zapwizard.com/MediaPC/SBL...dio/Index.html

Logla · Jan 4, 2005, 05:59 AM

A little bit of a hijack here but can anyone tell me if I can connect the internal drive from my audigy2 platinum to my audigy2 ZS.

My platinum card died earlier this year and I was left with the drive, but I've been too scared to just go ahead and connect it to the new ZS.

**dj_stick** · Jan 4, 2005, 06:15 AM

internal? yes this should work perfectly

Logla · Jan 4, 2005, 06:29 AM

cool, thanks for that. All I got to do now is wait for my new case turning up so that I have an extra bay to support it.

Dec 2, 2003, 03:20 AM	#1
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Would an Audigy2 work with the Live!Drive from Live! PLatinum 5.1 ? Does anyone have experience with this? If I go out and buy an Audigy2 and try to hook it up to my Live!Drive would it work!??? I sure hope so.....

Dec 2, 2003, 05:03 PM	#2
HunterZ DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Seattle, USA Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	I don't have any personal experience, but I'm fairly certain that I've read that you can't do this because the pinouts on the Audigy2 are different than on the Live! for connecting to an external drive adapter. __________________ Athlon XP 3200+, Gigabyte GA7N-400Pro2 Rev 2.0 (nVidia nForce2 chipset), 1 GB DDR400 (CAS 2.0, dual-channel), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB AGP 8x, WinXP Pro SP2, DX9.0c., Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers

Dec 2, 2003, 05:35 PM	#3
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	hmm...... it's what i heard also. if anybody has any excperience with this, speak up! i heard that the audigy1 will work with it. so my next question of course is..... what's the BIG difference between audigy1 and audigy2 ?

Dec 2, 2003, 09:56 PM	#4
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	I asked this a while ago and Eugene answered that it might be possible, but would need special cabling, because the connections are different. No one has been brave enough to try it out yet... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

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scobywhru DriverHeaven Senile Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Penthouse Basement Posts: 619 Rep Power: 0	Yeah that cable to connect them is different you would need to either make a new cable or find one that would work, might as well google it and see waht shows up __________________

Dec 2, 2003, 10:56 PM	#6
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	hmm.... That's definitely something to go on. Thanks a lot!

Dec 2, 2003, 11:41 PM	#7
kelvink DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	I'm been looking for the AUD_EXT pinout on the audigy 2 here and there and found NO CLUE. Soundblaster.com docuemnts AUD_EXT pinout for audigy, but not audigy 2. I guess we gotta keep waiting.

Dec 3, 2003, 01:07 AM	#8
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	damn... that's a good lead though. i'm going to look myself. let you know if anything turns up!

Dec 3, 2003, 01:15 AM	#9
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	check out what people are saying about not getting the pinouts. Apparently people are pissed off about Creative not supplying the Pinouts for the AUD_EXT let's create a Class-Action lawsuit. haha Check out this post (the creativelabs forums are raging with questions on the AD_EXT pinout issue): I have bought Audigy 2 ZS yesterday and I must say that I am impressed with the package, the card and the latest drivers as well as the sound quality. There are few minor issues but I am sure they will fixed. After all this is rather new product. I had SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Digital before and it had nice little help file with internal and external connector pinouts. It was very handy to have it since I am making my cables myself and I would not want to screw something up. Now for the sad part, where is that help file now? I can't find it and people are desperately looking for pinouts all over the web. I understand that Creative got a lot of damaged cards from dumb users connecting toasters but I do not undertand nor approve Creative monopoly on breakout boxes and cables. Someone could make class action lawsuit out of it. You have to provide us with pinouts for Audigy 2/ZS cards. You can include disclaimer with it so the less experienced users won't mess with it and the others could do it at their own risk. Face it, sooner or later someone will reverse-engineer it, and the pinouts will end up on the web so you will lose monopoly anyway. What you don't have to lose is credibility of your product support. Best regards, Igor Last edited by dusten; Dec 3, 2003 at 01:34 AM.

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Samir kX Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 521 Rep Power: 0	Reverse Engineering Bravo Igore! Nek' si im rek'o... Well, the thing is that i could borrow scope & i have Audigy2, but i don't have Audigy2 drive or similar... Anyone thinks that AD_EXT could be scoped WITHOUT actually having anything connected to it? If only there is a known way of ENABLING AD_EXT (like resistor thing on Live! AUD_EXT)...

Dec 5, 2003, 09:42 PM	#12
NightBreed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 380 Rep Power: 0	>>Yeah that cable to connect them is different you would need to either make a new cable or find one that would work If I'm not mistaken, one could use the cd audio wires to connect the live drive to the card, it would take alot to do it but it would work. I used the same types of wires to build a front end port for an old live card that didnt have a live drive. As far as the pins, I believe the old site that dealt with the hacked aps drivers had a link to a site with the mapping.

Dec 20, 2003, 12:51 PM	#13
zekeode DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Any progress on this one?

Dec 20, 2003, 02:46 PM	#14
dusten DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	not for me. i'd like to hear anybody elses findings.

Jan 3, 2004, 01:13 PM	#19
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Hi there, I have Audigy2 OEM and Audigy1 Platinum; I can connect the drive (just turning the cable), but so far I haven't got it to work. I will try to do a bit more research. __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 3, 2004, 01:54 PM	#20
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Nope, kX doesn't detect the drive; but I am not quite sure that hardware isn't broken. __________________ -- Vedran

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twisted_steel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Is there a way to somehow clip the wires on there instead of soldering? The only reason I ask is it would be hard to return a card with solder on it .

Jan 4, 2005, 05:59 AM	#26
Logla DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,310 Rep Power: 48	A little bit of a hijack here but can anyone tell me if I can connect the internal drive from my audigy2 platinum to my audigy2 ZS. My platinum card died earlier this year and I was left with the drive, but I've been too scared to just go ahead and connect it to the new ZS.

Jan 4, 2005, 06:29 AM	#28
Logla DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,310 Rep Power: 48	cool, thanks for that. All I got to do now is wait for my new case turning up so that I have an extra bay to support it.