Stop It

I have the PC edition, am currently up to Tier 2 as a level 10 driver and I love the game to bits.

While Slightly Mad Studios have obviously had to tone down their Sim instincts a little here the game is still a Racing Wheel game, and still rewards skillful, rather than silly driving.

Anyway, the game looks great, plays great and has a better feel than Race Driver: Grid while having a much better driving model.

Also, Dark Lord, 2 things.

1: Press down, quit is below those options in the main menu.
2: An "exact dvd release iso", what the hell does that mean?

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Dark Lord

really? i could swear i went all the way down.

its a retail dvd image, exact copy of it.

not that any of this matters anyways. i cant get the game to run for crap. 20-25fps max with everything off. so, deleting it now.

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Stop It

So, you pirated it?
Get out.

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Dark Lord

ya.. i kinda said that at teh very end of my first post on this.

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Mousey

Chill Stop. Dark Lord isn't in violation of any site rules here however your aggressive attitude is getting there.

Just a friendly word of warning don't land yourself in the doo, it's not a nice place to be.

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Stop It

Edit: I think we're done with this.

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Zardon

Hey guys can we relax a little please? Mousey, Stop It is just concerned about piracy which I respect. I dont think you needed to threaten him publically on this, even though his attitude was a little hot headed. Equally so Dark Lord hasn't broken any rules as there are no links to illegal items - even though it sounded like someone just hacked his machine and hosed his OS.

Everyone take a nice step back, count to ten and come back with a clear head.

Stop It

As per my response in PM, I have took a step back and am sorry if I escalated this a bit far. It's not often a day at work makes me calmer but hey, that's life!

Anyway, can we get back to discussing the game please? Anyone here have the PC edition? I would like to make a start in filling my FL for the game, I'm a precision driver, honest!!

Oh, a note to anyone who wants to try the invitational events, pick the Dodge Viper in the Viper vs Ford GT event if you value your sanity!

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Dark Lord

i will concede to being wrong on the quit part. i could swear it wasnt there on the initial lap that decided all your settings.

the rest i stand firm on. the game was buggy, had a poor user interface, and ran very poorly even though i was well over the min requirements. everything off/low 800x600 couldnt break 20fps with other cars on screen. which is too bad, i was looking forward to this not sucking.

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Stop It

Well, It'll annoy you to know that I run the game at 1920 x 1080, 8xAA & AF and get a silky 60fps, that said I'm sure a 4 generation old graphics card (going by your specs) may have something to do with your FPS issues.

Anyway, I will agree that the menu UI is...rubbish, in game it is fine but the main menu looks like it was designed by a 5 year old. It's a good thing the actual game does not!

As for bugs, well, apart from factual errors (Which are in the process of being fixed after being pointed out), I haven't noticed much, but I think we both know why that is.

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BlueMak

Dark Lord, you do have an almost 4 year old graphics card. Consider yourself lucky it even plays it as it does.

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comp_ali

Your ram Darklord is 1 GB is lower than minimum but other specs like dual core cpu and X1950 are ok in best cases , however the AGP interface is way slower than PCI-E.

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Dark Lord

oh no, i dont argue that my system is showing its age, but when i surpass the min requirements and am coming up on recommended, and yet cant break 20fps with everything off/low, thats a problem.

little copy/paste here...

CPU Intel Pentium 4 (or equivalent) CPU running at 3,2GHz or higher (3.4GHz for Windows Vista)///// Intel Core 2 Duo 2,5GHz or AMD 64 X2 2,0 GHz
- my 4800 x2 is 2400mhz, well past the recommended.

Memory 1GB RAM (Vista 2GB)//// 2GB RAM (Vista 3GB)
- 1.5gigs on win xp, half way point between the 2.

Hard Drive Space 10 GB of free space

Graphics Hardware 256 MB RAM with Pixel Shader 3 (PCI-Ex) ////512 MB RAM with Pixel Shader 3 (PCI-Ex)
- now this is actually interesting. updated system specs state an x1800xt with 512 megs of ram, or a 7800gt with 256 megs of ram. wonder if theres a problem here with ati cards not being able ot handle this with only 256megs of ram for some reason. i dont think any one is going to argue that a 1950xt is a fair bit more powerful then the 1800s were. and if 1800s were the min requirement... well a 1950 should handle this just fine. not choke at 13fps with other cars on screen.

Sound Hardware DirectX 9.0c compliant card (DirectX 10.1 compliant if applicable)

agp/pci for the 1950s.... when benched against each other, there was negligible difference between the 2, so thats not a factor here.

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macbiter

Time for a few upgrades surprised that graphics card can run anything modern tbh. With all the games you are pirating must be some room in the budget for a few bits of hardware !

Dark Lord

see the avatar, THAT eats all the spare cash.

and honestly, i dont upgrade because i still run 90% of the games i play maxed out 30fps+. its actually quite a rarity that i find a game i cant run, or has to be run on lowest settings.

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BlueMak

I am sorry man but this is pointless. You have an outdated PC, with god knows what crap installed, running a pirated version of the game and you complain about performance.
It's not even funny.

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This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Stop It

Bingo.

The fact is the "minimum specs" on the boxes of games always lowball the reality, and in NFS:Shifts case, my FPS is comparable to Race Driver: Grid, while looking better, so I think Slightly Mad Studios have done a great job here.

Anyway....

I completed the Aston Martin DB9 invitation race last night...wow.

While the car is obviously awesome, you have to respect those corners or you'll fail hard. I won the race in the end but the game just would not let up, a severely punishing race but very satisfying in the end. In all honesty, that sort of experience is what earns its asking price in my view; full on, hard racing, good stuff.

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BlueMak

Is it possible to finish the game/career with one car or are you forced to change car? Like how Grid is.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Stop It

You can upgrade your car of your choice to Tier 4 spec, but higher tier cars are not allowed to race in lower tier races.

Anyway, with the amount of cars to try in the game it's be a crime to stick with one through the entire career.

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BlueMak

4 out of?

I disagree. For example in my current most favourite racing series, PGR, I prefer to get a single car and go through the game with it. (where appropriate).

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Zardon

I understand this view, but part of the whole appeal of Need For Speed Shift is that you have your own garage with cars you have bought, and modded in various ways. Then you can also get to enter manufacturer specific races so you get to try their cars against equally footed computer AI players.

There really is a best of all worlds in this game. You aren't forced to change car, you aren't even forced to play specific races. I for instance have a fully pimped out porsche right now but im playing about with other cars.

Lets be honest, its a dream position really to be playing with all these 'virtual' dream cars and the game looks wicked on a big plasma screen at 1080p.

BlueMak

Definitely. I might get some money tomorrow which could mean buying a new game, and NFS Shift is among the contenders.

I just need to find the time to install the demo later tonight.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Zardon

Demo first would be a good idea - this game seems to attact two crowds. those who love it and those who hate it, no sitting on the fence.

Feel free to come back and tell me how much my taste in game sucks though, I don't mind just try and do it without swearing 50 times, ive sensitive ears.

comp_ali

I downloaded the demo form EA site , I extracted it many times and I keep geting the error "some installation files are corrupt. Please download a fresh copy and retry the installation" Damn ! I guwss I will download it again.

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Stop It

Shift is certainly a divisive game, I'll give it that.

I love the game, but the things that I like, such as the aggressive, touring car driver like AI, the sensitive handling, the sheer challenge of the game and the prescision/aggressive driving points are the same things that make other gamers hate the game!

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BlueMak

First impressions, not good.
After restarting the demo, setting the graphics options, 1920x1200, 8AF,0AA, all rest high, blur off, and setting for controller the joystick (couldn't bothered to connect the gamepad) and its buttons just fine, the first thing to notice was a bad frame rate.
Then the joystick was not responsive and had to use the keys.
Then the frame rate was even worse while driving. My guess, about 10fps.
BTW, whoever designed the menu should be fired, then shot, then fired again. Same for whoever decided it's a great idea to have some guy talking all the freaking time.
Oh yeah, and one thing that I am sure (hope?) it's a demo thing only, 2 min video sequence after I quit a race, that I can't skip, is not going to make me want to buy the game any more. The third time I couldn't take it any more and killed the process.
Anyway, I tried with 1680x1050, 0aa, trilinear filtering, blur off (btw, LOVE how blur still exists even though the options says off), and the frame rate went higher, a bit under 20...

Well, there is no way I will buy the game that's for sure.

Oh yeah, one good thing, crashes are awesome.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Zardon

Xbox 360 pad is flawless with it.

As for the framerate, thats very weird. I tried a 4890 with a similar setup to yours with the game and it was silky smooth at your settings. I haven't tried an X2 with it however. have you tried turning off Crossfire just to check its not a driver profile issue? Never played the demo but no video forced issues in the main game.

I have to say I tend to use Nvidia when possible at home, just because of driver issues everytime I use an ATi board with new games.

its awesome how this game is making people almost foam at the mouth ! (sorry im evil )

brutusmaximus

Most people on forums with issues are on ATI hardware and their crappy drivers, thats the problem. People knock nvidia for "TWIMTBP" but at least when you have an nvidia card you can be sure the game will run as expected.

Thats why the 5870 has absolutely no appeal to me. they could release a card 5 times faster than nvidia and it would still suck as all the new games have issues on some level. Has been like this for years, just look at the new CCC for instance, its a disaster zone.

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BlueMak

brutus, why don't you go and...relax. Seriously.

Zardon, I will try it.


EDIT: Zardon that fixed it. Mostly. with catalystAI off, 1680x1050 0aa,trilinear, the game was very fast etc. As it should. I increased the resolution and put some AF, and the game slowed down, not as bad as before, playable, but barely.
Considering it is a demo and as was said there were no problems with the 4890, it probably is a demo issue and implementation of catalystAI/crossfire.
For a year that I have this card I have no problems worth mentioning with the card or the drivers. I keep reading from time to time about people having a better driver experience with Nvidia solutions, but I have yet to see any difference between the two (I also have a 8800GTS on another PC that will be sold any day now).

The race feels good. The game reminds me of a mix between Forza and PGR, for the PC. The graphics of the world are not that good (PGR3 feels better looking), but the cars themselves look great.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

brutusmaximus

I am very relaxed. Just making a point which you proved to be right.

People often knock the games for having the issues when its the Catalyst drivers. Obviously in other cases ancient hardware and warezed games don't help

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