Opinion: Why Sony Won't Lose the Next-Gen War

Iria · Oct 29, 2006, 01:17 PM

Source: GameDaily
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Let's face it; Sony's seen better days. The company's turnaround plan hasn't been going quite as smoothly as they'd hoped, they've been forced to recall thousands of laptop batteries, they've significantly downsized their PlayStation 3 launch quantities and delayed the launch altogether in Europe, and their net profit forecast for the current fiscal year was recently slashed by almost 40 percent. In fact, in their most recent quarter, profits plunged 94 percent.

But you know what? Despite these setbacks and all the negative press the company has garnered over the last six or so months, when it's all said and done the PlayStation 3 will be No.1 worldwide, although not as dominant as the PS2 has been.

Here are five reasons why we believe Sony will stay on top in the console race.

BlueMak · Oct 29, 2006, 01:41 PM

So, how much do you think he takes from Sony for presenting this "article"?
It is full of assumptions and good wish on his behalf.

Vikingod · Oct 29, 2006, 01:49 PM

I sure does say in the title "opinion"

As much as I hate to admit it, its probably true.

TheBlackCat · Oct 29, 2006, 01:54 PM

Lets look at these reasons:

1. The Brand
Nintendo had at least as good brand recognition in the 8-bit and 16-bit generations but Sony was able to take over in far less than a single generation. And Sony was brand new at that point, they had never made a gaming system. They may not be synonymous with gaming at this point (although I would say Nintendo may still be for some sectors of the market), but at the very least they are still strongly associated with gaming at this point. Sony did not have that advantage with the PS yet was still able to win hands-down.

2. Microsoft (somewhat) Squandered its Lead
Perhaps, perhaps not. And the fact is it still has a lead, and Sony cannot manufacture enough hardware to beat the lead this fiscal year. Sony has pretty much lost this holiday season completely. And this is just as much of a benefit to Nintendo as it is to Sony.

3. Japan is Ripe for the Taking
Doesn't mean Sony will be the one to take it. All the evidence they presented indicated it would be Nintendo, not Sony. It is perfectly reasonable that Nintendo takes Japan and Microsoft takes North America, or even that Nintendo takes both (although that is probably a long shot), leaving Sony in the dust in both categories.

4. Blu-ray Will Matter
Blu-ray gives more space, but it is also possible that will simply lead to bloat. And there is nothing stopping MS from releasing HD-DVD games down the road if they need to. The advantage is that DVDs are currently dirt cheap compared to blu-ray discs. That will change, but so can the 360.

5. Free Online
Wii has this too, and there is nothing stopping MS from offering it down the road.

I have no love for MS, and I will not say the PS3 will fail. But I find this evidence unconvincing. The brand recognition was not enough to save the N64 nor was it enough to save the PSP. There is nothing stopping MS from releasing HD-DVD games later, and as it stands now Blu-Ray discs are really expensive. All the other advantages they listed apply just as much to Nintendo as they do to Sony. There seems to be an unstated assumption in the article that the Wii is not a serious contender. They did not offer a single piece of evidence showing why the PS3 will beat the Wii, even though they did show lots of evidence why the Wii will do really well.

In the end I don't pretend to know how this generation will play out. And I have no patience for anyone who does, especially when they use evidence like this. This generation is wide open, wider than any generation since the crash. Nintendo was going to win the 8 and 16-bit generation from day one. Sony was going to win the 32/64 and 128-bit generations from day one. This time around, the results are far from clear. All three systems have something different to offer, and no matter what people say there is no way anyone can tell which of the three people will ultimately be drawn to and to what degree. People are just too unpredictable, the market changes too quickly, technology changes too quickly, and a great many factors outside of the games themselves can have a large impact on the market.

In my opinion this is also the first generation where there is a potential for there to be different winners in different regions. It is quite possible, given their different tastes, that the US and Japanese markets could end up with different winners this time around. Not certain, but at least a possibility which I would say was not the case before. It may not be possible, the overlap in games between the two markets may make this sort of thing impossible, but I would say it is more possible now than it ever has been before.

SFOSOK · Oct 29, 2006, 01:54 PM

Sony's got a strong enough foot hold not to fail. As long as it does not fail it will eventually be a success. Thats how the console industry works.

Edit: I wouldn't consider N64 a failure, it was leagues better than PS1 and nintedo didn't stop making consoles.

OmegaRED · Oct 29, 2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

Sony's got a strong enough foot hold not to fail. As long as it does not fail it will eventually be a success. Thats how the console industry works.

Edit: I wouldn't consider N64 a failure, it was leagues better than PS1 and nintedo didn't stop making consoles.

How was N64 anything but a failure? The cartridge system was god awful and aside from a few huge titles like Mario 64, Goldeneye and Starfox the rest were instantly forgettable. PS One's probably to this day sell more than N64's did in their day.

IMO PS3 will be the winner in the longrun because Playstations are like DVD players they are practically essential for a house with kids. Nintendo will at least be a big player in the market for the first 6 months to a year cause they will sell so many Wiis and the price is so low. It's really all about selling as many consoles as possible before Sony catches up.

SFOSOK · Oct 29, 2006, 02:26 PM

Wut the hell are you talking about? N46, was the console to get back then. Cartridges may have not been a smart move in marketing but I bet you find anyone with an old N64 and every single one of their games will work. PS1 got worked over buy the N64 man. Almost every single kid in this city had an N64 and that was the most reliable damn system I have ever played. My PS1 caught on fire a few times! and all the games were easily ruined. I'm saying it was a better console and I was surrounded by them as a kid.

The only thing I had a PS1 for was MGS 1, FF7, FF tactics.

N64 had: Goldeneye, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Perfect Dark, Rainbow Six, Mariokart, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time...

I have no clue what you are talking about man, many people still own that console and play it all the time.

You also forgot about Perfect dark, one of the greatest FPS's ever created.

And since when is something that is $600 essential? Not for me.

OmegaRED · Oct 29, 2006, 02:42 PM

I had both and remember a significant decrease in the overall quality and quantity of N64 games while Sony had a seemingly endless amount of games coming out. Yes those games you listed were good and I played them all but PSOne had ten games for every one game on N64.

For instance Sony had all the Command and Conquer games and Resident Evil series (as well as the clones of it) and the Doom series but Nintendo was far behind and had just one custom C&C game, Doom64 and got RE2 long after it had been out. The cartridges were definitely more reliable but there were too few games and so many of them had horrible graphics as time went on.

Meanwhile Playstations became the new Nintendo and every kid had one that's why I said they are almost a necessity for a house with kids. You can't beat that kind of marketshare but I think Nintendo will be back in living rooms if they can live up the hype and make interesting games a year after the Wii is out and the gimmick wears off.

TheBlackCat · Oct 29, 2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

Sony's got a strong enough foot hold not to fail. As long as it does not fail it will eventually be a success. Thats how the console industry works.

Depends on your definition of "failure". In this particular article they defined "fail" as "not coming in first place in hardware sales". You could also define fail objectively as "coming in last place in hardware sales", "not coming in first place in software sales", "coming in last place in software sales", or "forcing the manufacturer out of the console business". There are also various subjective measures that are too numerous to mention.

Certainly the N64 did not fail in that it forced Nintendo out of the console business. But it did fail in that it was not number 1 in terms of hardware sales. That latter definition was the one they were using in the article, so it was the one I was using in my critique of the article. If you define failure differently then the question of whether the N64 failed may have a different answer. Certainly using the article's definition the N64 failed and the PS3 very well might fail as well. But I do not think it will be enough to force Sony out of the console business (although you never can tell for sure, just look at Sega, although Sega was never in as good a position as Sony was).

I don't think the article's definition is probably the best one. I would think that would be a good definition of "not winning". However, "why we think Sony will win" sounds much more presumptuous and exactly like all the articles claiming to predict the outcome of this generation. The article is presumptuous and is exactly like all the other articles on the subject, but people may be more likely to pass over an article that looks like that from the get-go. All they really care about is people clicking the link and giving them advertising revenue, not whether people actually read the article.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

a year after the Wii is out and the gimmick wears off.

Gimmick? That is what people were saying about the DS. Now two years later not only has it not "worn off", but the DS is increasing in popularity. That is what people were saying about the rumble pack, which is a standard for game pads. That is what people were saying about the wavebird, yet every controller this generation uses RF wireless controllers. I don't recall what they said about the analog stick, or the d-pad, or shoulder buttons, or handles on a controller, but those are all standards now. People have a funny way of deciding what is a gimmick and what is essential. The Wii controller may turn out to be nothing more than a gimmick after all, Nintendo has its share of gimmicks too, but don't rule it out as a gimmick just yet. Nintendo has a long history of turning gimmicks into standards. It also has a long history of turning gimmicks into gimmicks. Which will be the case is by no means certain at this point. The only things we really have to compare with are the D-pad and the DS, both of which are far from gimmicks. But just because it turned out well those times does not mean it will this time.

bananaman · Oct 29, 2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlackCat

5. Free Online
Wii has this too, and there is nothing stopping MS from offering it down the road.

Just to add something here, I have been doing all my financial exams and they always say:

"if it too good to be true, it probably is..."

I think given how much we know we should be very scepticle at present as to how this service will be funded, because you can be goddamn sure that Sony aren't selling PS3s out of the kindess and they will want a revenue stream that covers theirs costs, and beyond into profit, and this includes the online portion (bandwith etc.). They will make this somehow and it is unclear at present how Sony will make the online service "free" and yet pay for itself.

I am sorry if i am they have announced how it is funded, I have been in Frankfurt for the last wekk so may have missed some vital info that does indeed tell, but I would be happy to know if there is

Also, as a side point, given that procedurally created textures etc. are slowly coming in, doesnt this mean that there will be no need for increased storage on a disc??

BlueMak · Oct 29, 2006, 04:19 PM

You know, I have a feeling that the PS3 will be Sony's defeat. In the lost billions and won't make a new PS4 for another 10+ years failure. Nothing to back this up. Just a feeling.

OmegaRED · Oct 29, 2006, 04:25 PM

Blackcat I referred to it as a gimmick because there have been stories like this one from bit tech that show the technology isn't exactly as advertised:
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/...ands_On/1.html

If Nintendo can build on the new tech of the wiimote instead of just making really exciting ads about it then it the Wii has a chance to take Sonys spot as the #1 console. I remember when SuperScope for NES came out it had similar talk but there was never any software that made enough use out of it.

TheBlackCat · Oct 29, 2006, 06:17 PM

That has always been the case with extremely specialized later controllers like light guns, musical or dance instruments, and other such things. The Wii remote is different. It's the primary system controller, released with the system at launch. There will probably be more Wii launch games, games that make exclusive use of the controller, then there ever were for all light guns combined. There is simply no comparison.

So you managed to find an article that found the Wii new and original, just not as much as he had originally expected. Despite what he has said (that everyone who disagrees with him simply hasn't spent enough time with the system), others who have spent at least as much time with the Wii disagreed with his perspective, finding the Wii very new and unique. As I keep saying, it is ultimately the gamers who will decide whether they think it is a gimmick or not. It may turn out to be a gimmick in the end. But because it did not completely live up to one random guy's expectations in an extremely limited time with demo versions of the games does not mean it will definitely turn out to be nothing more than a gimmick. You can pretty much always find someone who will back up whatever perspective you may want, that does not make them right nor does it make that perspective right. The only thing that can determine whether the perspective is right or not is customers. The same arguments were used to predict the failure of the DS but they were completely wrong.

OmegaRED · Oct 29, 2006, 07:07 PM

I'm not worried about the Wiimote being an underused gimmick per se but rather the ads infer a method of use that according to that article is not quite as advertised.

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What I had discovered is that as much as we all want the Wii remote to actually work as if it was a magic wand, the actuality is that it has been designed to mimic a joypad, with a few neat tricks thrown in. When I was swordfighting in Zelda for instance, I wanted to be able to hack and slash in a way that felt natural. The actuality is that it is easier to sit down, and instead of hacking and slashing, flicking your wrist in one way or another. The wrist flicks correspond to what button presses would have done in years gone by and so ultimately you end up with a game that is not drastically different to what you're used to (except you do wrist flicks instead of button bashing).

This isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world but it did take away some of the sparkle of the Wii. I wanted something different, something complete unique that really deserved the name revolution. Instead what I found was immensely fun to play though in actuality felt a bit like a mouse, light gun and joypad rolled into one wireless package. This package works brilliantly well with fun games, like WarioWare but had me reverting to joypad techniques and tactics when playing more serious games like Zelda.

The Wii ads show people acting out the movements in real life and it happening on the screen but bit techs description doesn't seem to jive with that.

TheBlackCat · Oct 29, 2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

The Wii ads show people acting out the movements in real life and it happening on the screen but bit techs description doesn't seem to jive with that.

Sure it does. People can act out the motions in real life if they wish, as he did. However, they are not required to if they do not want to, which is a good thing. People have the option of either playing the game extremely realistically or playing it in a less tiring and more natural manner. He preferred to do it in the latter manner. He could have hacked and slashed around the room if he wanted, but chose not to. And someone how took this as being bad. He even said that this sort of thing is appropriate for more unusual games like Wii sports and Wario Ware. But somehow giving people the option of still playing in a new, original, and far more natural manner without requiring them to get tired in the process was somehow seen as a flaw by him.

Yes, motions and attacks are mapped to controller motion instead of button presses. That is the whole point! What do you think is a more natural motion when attacking someone with a sword, flicking the controller in the direction you want the sword to move or pushing some random button? From my experience one of the big problems non-gamers seem to have, or even gamers who are new to a game, is remembering what button does what. What do you think will be easier to remember, "swing the controller a little to swing the sword" or "push that little button with the x on it to swing the sword"? The previewer even talked about how easy it was to pick up the new games using a completely different controller than he has ever seen before with absolutely no help from the Nintendo staff.

The fact that people are able to play it with small motions while sitting on a couch does not in any way prevent people from diving behind their couch while playing Metroid Prime 3, like you saw in the ad. Nintendo was smart in realizing that although this sort of thing might be good for party games and such, or if you are in the mood for doing something different, it is foolish to require people to behave like that if they would prefer not to.

bananaman · Oct 30, 2006, 03:22 AM

just give me Duck Hunt...

Tinkerhell · Oct 30, 2006, 10:18 AM

I'll take Pong. Now THAT was a game.

EcPercy · Oct 30, 2006, 08:11 PM

Personally, I don't care. I am trading in my PS2 with all of it's games. I will also trade in my GameCube. I will be getting a Wii and downloading some of the classics.

I saw this the other night. Made me think of Sony.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212

nicnik · Oct 30, 2006, 10:39 PM

same, i wil be getting a wii. i might get a ps3 but it will likely be a while after it gets launched. The main concern for nintendo is the variety and quantity of games they can produce; and now that they;ve taken a different approach it might get difficult to gain games that will be multiplatform. Coz at the end of the day most people i know dont buy all 3 consoles.

Oct 29, 2006, 01:41 PM	#2
BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,241 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	So, how much do you think he takes from Sony for presenting this "article"? It is full of assumptions and good wish on his behalf. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 29, 2006, 01:49 PM	#3
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I sure does say in the title "opinion" As much as I hate to admit it, its probably true. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Oct 29, 2006, 01:54 PM	#4
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 22	Lets look at these reasons: 1. The Brand Nintendo had at least as good brand recognition in the 8-bit and 16-bit generations but Sony was able to take over in far less than a single generation. And Sony was brand new at that point, they had never made a gaming system. They may not be synonymous with gaming at this point (although I would say Nintendo may still be for some sectors of the market), but at the very least they are still strongly associated with gaming at this point. Sony did not have that advantage with the PS yet was still able to win hands-down. 2. Microsoft (somewhat) Squandered its Lead Perhaps, perhaps not. And the fact is it still has a lead, and Sony cannot manufacture enough hardware to beat the lead this fiscal year. Sony has pretty much lost this holiday season completely. And this is just as much of a benefit to Nintendo as it is to Sony. 3. Japan is Ripe for the Taking Doesn't mean Sony will be the one to take it. All the evidence they presented indicated it would be Nintendo, not Sony. It is perfectly reasonable that Nintendo takes Japan and Microsoft takes North America, or even that Nintendo takes both (although that is probably a long shot), leaving Sony in the dust in both categories. 4. Blu-ray Will Matter Blu-ray gives more space, but it is also possible that will simply lead to bloat. And there is nothing stopping MS from releasing HD-DVD games down the road if they need to. The advantage is that DVDs are currently dirt cheap compared to blu-ray discs. That will change, but so can the 360. 5. Free Online Wii has this too, and there is nothing stopping MS from offering it down the road. I have no love for MS, and I will not say the PS3 will fail. But I find this evidence unconvincing. The brand recognition was not enough to save the N64 nor was it enough to save the PSP. There is nothing stopping MS from releasing HD-DVD games later, and as it stands now Blu-Ray discs are really expensive. All the other advantages they listed apply just as much to Nintendo as they do to Sony. There seems to be an unstated assumption in the article that the Wii is not a serious contender. They did not offer a single piece of evidence showing why the PS3 will beat the Wii, even though they did show lots of evidence why the Wii will do really well. In the end I don't pretend to know how this generation will play out. And I have no patience for anyone who does, especially when they use evidence like this. This generation is wide open, wider than any generation since the crash. Nintendo was going to win the 8 and 16-bit generation from day one. Sony was going to win the 32/64 and 128-bit generations from day one. This time around, the results are far from clear. All three systems have something different to offer, and no matter what people say there is no way anyone can tell which of the three people will ultimately be drawn to and to what degree. People are just too unpredictable, the market changes too quickly, technology changes too quickly, and a great many factors outside of the games themselves can have a large impact on the market. In my opinion this is also the first generation where there is a potential for there to be different winners in different regions. It is quite possible, given their different tastes, that the US and Japanese markets could end up with different winners this time around. Not certain, but at least a possibility which I would say was not the case before. It may not be possible, the overlap in games between the two markets may make this sort of thing impossible, but I would say it is more possible now than it ever has been before. __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken

Oct 29, 2006, 01:54 PM	#5
SFOSOK -Thread Ender- Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Riverside, CA (right next to the f*ckin train) Posts: 6,873 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Sony's got a strong enough foot hold not to fail. As long as it does not fail it will eventually be a success. Thats how the console industry works. Edit: I wouldn't consider N64 a failure, it was leagues better than PS1 and nintedo didn't stop making consoles. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 29, 2006, 02:26 PM	#7
SFOSOK -Thread Ender- Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Riverside, CA (right next to the f*ckin train) Posts: 6,873 Rep Power: 48 System Specs	Wut the hell are you talking about? N46, was the console to get back then. Cartridges may have not been a smart move in marketing but I bet you find anyone with an old N64 and every single one of their games will work. PS1 got worked over buy the N64 man. Almost every single kid in this city had an N64 and that was the most reliable damn system I have ever played. My PS1 caught on fire a few times! and all the games were easily ruined. I'm saying it was a better console and I was surrounded by them as a kid. The only thing I had a PS1 for was MGS 1, FF7, FF tactics. N64 had: Goldeneye, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Perfect Dark, Rainbow Six, Mariokart, Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time... I have no clue what you are talking about man, many people still own that console and play it all the time. You also forgot about Perfect dark, one of the greatest FPS's ever created. And since when is something that is $600 essential? Not for me. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 29, 2006, 01:17 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 74	Opinion: Why Sony Won't Lose the Next-Gen War Source: GameDaily ________ Let's face it; Sony's seen better days. The company's turnaround plan hasn't been going quite as smoothly as they'd hoped, they've been forced to recall thousands of laptop batteries, they've significantly downsized their PlayStation 3 launch quantities and delayed the launch altogether in Europe, and their net profit forecast for the current fiscal year was recently slashed by almost 40 percent. In fact, in their most recent quarter, profits plunged 94 percent. But you know what? Despite these setbacks and all the negative press the company has garnered over the last six or so months, when it's all said and done the PlayStation 3 will be No.1 worldwide, although not as dominant as the PS2 has been. Here are five reasons why we believe Sony will stay on top in the console race.

Oct 29, 2006, 02:42 PM	#8
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,787 Rep Power: 84 System Specs	I had both and remember a significant decrease in the overall quality and quantity of N64 games while Sony had a seemingly endless amount of games coming out. Yes those games you listed were good and I played them all but PSOne had ten games for every one game on N64. For instance Sony had all the Command and Conquer games and Resident Evil series (as well as the clones of it) and the Doom series but Nintendo was far behind and had just one custom C&C game, Doom64 and got RE2 long after it had been out. The cartridges were definitely more reliable but there were too few games and so many of them had horrible graphics as time went on. Meanwhile Playstations became the new Nintendo and every kid had one that's why I said they are almost a necessity for a house with kids. You can't beat that kind of marketshare but I think Nintendo will be back in living rooms if they can live up the hype and make interesting games a year after the Wii is out and the gimmick wears off. __________________

Oct 29, 2006, 04:19 PM	#11
BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,241 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	You know, I have a feeling that the PS3 will be Sony's defeat. In the lost billions and won't make a new PS4 for another 10+ years failure. Nothing to back this up. Just a feeling. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 29, 2006, 04:25 PM	#12
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,787 Rep Power: 84 System Specs	Blackcat I referred to it as a gimmick because there have been stories like this one from bit tech that show the technology isn't exactly as advertised: http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/...ands_On/1.html If Nintendo can build on the new tech of the wiimote instead of just making really exciting ads about it then it the Wii has a chance to take Sonys spot as the #1 console. I remember when SuperScope for NES came out it had similar talk but there was never any software that made enough use out of it. __________________

Oct 29, 2006, 06:17 PM	#13
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 22	That has always been the case with extremely specialized later controllers like light guns, musical or dance instruments, and other such things. The Wii remote is different. It's the primary system controller, released with the system at launch. There will probably be more Wii launch games, games that make exclusive use of the controller, then there ever were for all light guns combined. There is simply no comparison. So you managed to find an article that found the Wii new and original, just not as much as he had originally expected. Despite what he has said (that everyone who disagrees with him simply hasn't spent enough time with the system), others who have spent at least as much time with the Wii disagreed with his perspective, finding the Wii very new and unique. As I keep saying, it is ultimately the gamers who will decide whether they think it is a gimmick or not. It may turn out to be a gimmick in the end. But because it did not completely live up to one random guy's expectations in an extremely limited time with demo versions of the games does not mean it will definitely turn out to be nothing more than a gimmick. You can pretty much always find someone who will back up whatever perspective you may want, that does not make them right nor does it make that perspective right. The only thing that can determine whether the perspective is right or not is customers. The same arguments were used to predict the failure of the DS but they were completely wrong. __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken Last edited by TheBlackCat; Oct 29, 2006 at 06:24 PM.

Oct 30, 2006, 03:22 AM	#16
bananaman banana muncher Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,255 Rep Power: 46	just give me Duck Hunt... __________________

Oct 30, 2006, 10:18 AM	#17
Tinkerhell Not all fairies are nice. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 975 Rep Power: 29	I'll take Pong. Now THAT was a game.

Oct 30, 2006, 08:11 PM	#18
EcPercy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Iraq Posts: 1,529 Rep Power: 49	Personally, I don't care. I am trading in my PS2 with all of it's games. I will also trade in my GameCube. I will be getting a Wii and downloading some of the classics. I saw this the other night. Made me think of Sony. http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212

Oct 30, 2006, 10:39 PM	#19
nicnik Oink™ Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 463 Rep Power: 29 System Specs	same, i wil be getting a wii. i might get a ps3 but it will likely be a while after it gets launched. The main concern for nintendo is the variety and quantity of games they can produce; and now that they;ve taken a different approach it might get difficult to gain games that will be multiplatform. Coz at the end of the day most people i know dont buy all 3 consoles. __________________ steam: alaneet \| xbox tag: nicnik