Anyone with a PS2 online adapter???

dipstick

I need a quick favor...please. Ok, I got my kit last night and while I was trying to open the super sealed packaging the thing came flying out on to the floor. Now I notice the HD connector being able to move around abit. Is this normal? Can anyone check his for me? I don't want to return it for no reason. Thanks a million if you can help me out.

ivan300

yes they can move around dont worry about it. dont those connectons look like the standard ide connections hmm i wonder if i could hoock up a normal hd to it

dipstick

Thanks man, it took a very good fall right when I took it out of the box and I wanted to be sure. I noticed what you where saying about the connector. Might have to try it out, although I really doubt it will work. Thanks again

amuro

Hey.

You should have returned the item and exchanged it.

Or you could have just gotten an XBox and never had to deal with that problem since the XBox has a built in nic and all games are the same bandwith, unlike the PS2 where people with 56k will get left out and ripped off. since PS2 games like Socom are broadband only games.

ToshiroOC

Well, if there was a problem with the NIC, then you would have had to return the entire Xbox instead of just a internet connector Besides, the PS2 can play DVD's without the need for some costly add-on package like the Xbox. Also, if he is getting the internet adapter, he probably has broadband, and couldn't care less about the fact that the Xbox supports 56k...

Dom

The PS2 is still selling more units than the XBox & GameCube combined.

ToshiroOC

And for a good reason too - regardless of the specs of the other consoles, it has the best games - and I can't think of a single person who would rather play bad games and one good game (Halo) on an insane system instead of lots and lots of very good games on a slightly slower but still plenty good system...

Necrosis

Umm...Splinter Cell is a bad game?

I prefer the X Box too. I hate Sony.

ToshiroOC

I saw Splinter Cell, and I was not overly impressed - however, I can see it being called a good game. And hating Sony? I can understand that very well... but my hatred for the company only extends so far - besides, I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan, and all of those are PS2 only, with no PC ports in sight (and haven't been for years...)

amuro

hey ToshiroOC you want a GeForce FX so bad and are quick to hate on the XBox.

Well guess what, The XBox is Powered by a GeForce 3.5 Ti GPU

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1561&p=1

Check out that link to see what the XBox is made of so that you can be better informed.

As for Final Fantasy, those games on the PS sony systems are very overrated and I played them on the Nintendo systems.

RPGs from other companies like Skies of Arcadia, Grandia and others have revolutionised the RPG genre.

All Final Fantasy turned into is an overhyped, overadvertised (remember the FFVII commercials), overrated, linear videogame that has only disgraced the first games that made the series great.

Oh and about you not being impressed with Splinter Cell, that game is a full Direct X8 game featuring Transform & Lighting, bump mapping and some shader effects, the XBox and PC versions could NEVER look the same on the PS2.

The Emotion Engine would fry and seize if you tried to run that game, however it can still be made with FAKED effects.

And if your XBox nic failed so what, at least it does'nt cost $50 dollars adding the cost of your PS2 to $250 and $350 for those of us that got the system last year.

Face it the XBox is FAR superior hardware, includes nic, DVD playback, FOUR Controller ports, HardDrive to save games and music and XBox Live Content and IS a FAR better DVD player than the PS2 so the 29.99 DVD kit is worth it specially with full 5.1 sound.

if bought in 2001 XBox+DVDkit= $329.98
2002 to present SEGA Bundle XBox+DVDkit=$229.98 and you get two free games for a limited time.

The PS2 only has 2 controller ports, its not technologicaly superior to the SEGA Dreamcast, has crappy and slow DVD playback, my SONY DVD remote died after 6 months of use and I WILL NOT buy another. you also have to buy the ethernet/modem expansion for $49.99, not to mention that the harddrive is even more expensive.

if bought in 2001 PS2+online adapter+Sony dvd control=$379.97
if 2002+online adapter+Sony dvd control=$279.97
note you need the SONY dvd control to better watch the movies with all the features.
you get zip free games, hey at least the PS2 pretends to be a Computer.
if harddrive= $over 500, or over 400 only for SONY FANBOYS of course.
PS2 has dvd playback because SONY pays the FCC fee already and controling a movie with the SONY pad SUCKS plain and simple.

The reason why the PS2 has the most games is because the carried over all the Japanese developers from PSone to the PS2 and Japanese developers preffer to support SONY or Nintendo (to a lesser extent) because they are Japanese companies.

This is why the XBox has very few good games, because most are being developed by American and European companies.

And finally The GeForce 3 TI, 4TI, FX, ATI Radeon 8500 to 9700Pro are very powerfull videocards that will see REAL good shader games in chrismas of this year (Aquanox is not a very good game) with a development cycle of 2 years since shader cards were introduced.

However the XBox (GeForce 3.5 GPU based) will show its near to true Power this year with Halo 2 and other secret games like True Fantasy Online and you don't have to worry about driver updates.

The PS2 was getting beat by the Dreamcast in the graphics dept with games like Shenmue, part 2, and many other games that made the PS2 look really bad.

And BTW I have both systems.

Dom

The PS2 & it's modem are seperate unlike the XBox. With the XBox you would have to replace the whole system instead of just the modem.

Halo was origional supposed to be on the both systems. Microsoft saw that Halo was it's best chance to sell the XBox via games & bought-out the origional maker of Halo.

No one makes Dreamcast games anymore, so who cares?

Dom

Faster hearware doesn't always mean better proformance, take the Athlon XP vs. the P4 for example.

Dom

The XBox may have better graphics than the PS2, it may also have more features and better hardware. But the only thing that matters when it comes to 'video game consoles' is video games, NOT the other stuff. The PS2's graphics are good enough to play & enjoy it's video games. PS2 has the best games in my opinion and in most games, as is show in it's profits.

ToshiroOC

Now now amuro, I'm going to have to verbally tear you a new one, just for this...

I never mentioned Geforce FX anywhere in my post. ANYWHERE. That means that you are blabbing on stupidly about something that is incorrect. I don't want to hear it again. I knew that the Xbox was powered by a modified Geforce 3 chip - I don't need to be better informed, you need to be more attentive to what I post and what I say, claro?

Do I care about your opinion about Final Fantasy? No, I couldn't care less about you opinion. I think its a crap opinion, and regardless, I already said that I liked Final Fantasy, and nothing a stupid uppity n00b can say will ever change that. And the fact that YOU don't like the Final Fantasy games has NO relation to whether the PS2 is a good console or not - I like them, and my opinion is all that matters to me. So shove it.

[quote]Ah, the wonders of Marchitechure - I can almost see the lack of understanding screaming through your every word. Look dude, DirectX8 T&L is not that important - the gameplay and the general enjoyment of the game is. Graphics are not everything, and you bragging about some minor improvments on the graphics in an already over-hyped game is not going to change the fact that graphics are not everything in a game. You probably couldn't tell the difference between this game and any other game with good graphics code, regardless of the bump mapping and the shaders involved, and you most definitely can't tell the difference between a game with DirectX8 T&L and DirectX7 T&L - and if you can, then you are deluding yourself with numbers, convincing yourself that the higher one is always significantly better. Again, go shove it.

Well, now, Splinter Cell isn't on the PS2, now is it? If it was written specifically for the PS2 instead, I'm sure it wouldn't, as you so inanely described it, "fry and seize". And your comment about "FAKED effects"? I'm assuming you are talking about the fact that you would not be able to use the Microsoft DirectX8 functions in the Playstation, instead needing Sony functions (which are somehow fake compared to Microsoft?)... which is one of the comments throughout your entire rant that makes me think you are somehow mentally deficient, or under the age of 12.

The Xbox has superior hardware? Well, I couldn't care less. Hardware means JACK SHIT if there is no software worth having for it - if you had the greatest supercomputer known to man, but only pac-man to play on it, it would really really suck - just like the Xbox. 5.1 sound? I don't have speakers for 5.1 sound, so it doesn't matter to me. Four controller ports? I rarely use the PS2 when more than 2 people are around and wanting to play, and when I do, we do this thing called "sharing"... It doesn't include DVD playback, as I'm sure we can both agree, despite you including it... and it includes a NIC. So what? You can buy an adapter for the Playstation, so I don't see that as a big deal. I don't see how its a "FAR better DVD player" when the end picture is damn close to the same - the decoding really isn't going to be noticed as superior on either of those unless you have a home theater deserving of a much better DVD player than some crappy console that doesn't have dedicated DVD decoding and video etc. electronics like the high-end DVD players (which, YES, are different). And I said that about the NIC failing because you would only need to send in the adapter for repair/RMA if it broke with the Playstation - with the Xbox, you lose your entire console if you need the NIC repaired/replaced...

You do NOT need some damn Sony dvd control to watch DVD's on the Playstation! I have never needed one, and I am perfectly happy to NOT spend money on the Playstation DVD control when I can just use a nice simple controller, which does not cost extra. About the free games? That's a one-time deal, because Microsoft is desperate, and I have seen related ones for the Playstation 2 - they are not unique in the slightest. The hard drive isn't NEEDED for the Playstation 2 games, while it is for some Xbox games, so I don't see the problem with it being expensive - if you want to do stuff with hard drives, you should have bought a real machine (yes, a computer) instead! Sony already paid the FCC fee, yes - so what? I don't really care about the politics so long as I can watch my movies, without needing to pay more. Plain and simple.

And Pricing:

Playstation 2 with adapter: $250
Xbox with DVD adapter: $230

Oh wow, that $20 is really going to make or break a console in these price ranges! (Sarcasm is dripping all over - watch your step). I couldn't care less about $20 when games cost so much for both consoles, and the difference between the consoles is so great (you get what you pay for, and the Playstation is better).

Nuh uh uh! I don't want to hear no excuses - all I care about is the end product! GAMES GAMES GAMES! And if there are more good games for the Playstation 2, and there are few good games for the Xbox (as you conceded), then I want the Playstation 2, plain and simple. I don't see why you have a problem with Sony carrying a lot of the good Japanese developers - the Japanese programmers wouldn't work with the Playstation 2 if it was such an inferior system, and besides, I support all things Japanese. And if the Japanese programmers and companies are better than the American and European ones developing for the Xbox, so be it. I'll support the Japanese programmers - I don't see what the issue is here.

Uh huh. Now, that first paragraph? I don't care. I don't have any of those cards, and I won't until I see games worth having that require them. And that first paragraph is also irrelevant - PC video cards have nothing to do with the Xbox vx. Playstation 2 battle. At all. Plain and simple. That other stuff? It still relates to that hardware shit that you insist on pimping - again, I don't care. You can have the best hardware in the world, but if the software ain't there, the gaming ain't there, and its not worth having - at all. And of course you don't have to worry about driver updates! No console does - and it couldn't matter less in this arguement about which is better, unless you think that the PS2 somehow requires driver updates while the Xbox doesn't or someother bullshit. And so what if the Xbox has more games coming out for it? If it ever gets enough games that won't be ported to the PC that are worth having, I'll buy one, but not before then. And I don't care about the Dreamcast either - it isn't better than the Playstation 2, because the games for the Playstation 2 are better in general, and just because a few Dreamcast games are better than some of the worst first-gen Playstation 2 games doesn't mean jack shit. It just means that the Playstation 2 has bad games too - you can not play those, you know... and you owning both systems doesn't mean much to me. It just means that you bought a Sony despite thinking it to be an inferior product...

Finally, I don't think it matters which console is better technologically. ALL THAT MATTERS ARE THE GAMES, and the Playstation 2 has better games. Thats it.

ToshiroOC

Wow, thats the longest post I've ever made...

toddsmack2k

i agree with you ToshiroOC, what matters are the games. When you buy a gaming console you look for quantity of quality of video games. By this i mean wouldnt it be whole lot better to have a console with a bunch of really good games then one with only a couple of great games. You buy a pc 99% of the time with the intentions of it doing multiple uses ie. internet cruising, gaming, documentation, and several other purposes, not (most of the time )just to game on. When you buy a console you buy for what reason? to play games only. you cannot say amuro when you where looking at buying the Xbox or PS2 you where thinking alot on dvd quality. So to me the quantity of quality games is what matters the most on consoles and the PS2 is the winner.

amuro

OoooK ToshiroOC just a second. Geforce Radeon Parhelia Trident.

I am not even going to address the other guy because whoever he/she it is are or whatever do no know what the hell they are talking about and did not bother to read my post.

Now for you ToshiroOC it seems like you like to assume what I am thinking, do you have mental powers or are you just mental..

About my Final Fantasy opinion and it not mattering to you because you want to believe whatever it is you want to believe, I never seem to recall saying "ToshiroOC you must stop liking your Final Fantasy game and play something else"

Now what I did say was that the FF series is not of the same quality as it used to be and instead it has turned into a Full motion video mess designed to attract "casual gamers" nuff said on that subject.

In all of your posts (here and in the other one), you don't mention anything positive on the XBox, now this IS a Sony post and you opened your self to attack by stating repeated negative comments, instead of the truth.

Not to mention that Necrosis posted quote from Necrosis "Umm...Splinter Cell is a bad game? I prefer the X Box too. I hate Sony."

After YOU ToshiroOC posted that you were not impressed by Splinter Cell, now it seems like you like to twist the truth in order to be right (editing your own posts), again much as I would like to believe you it very hard for you to have any credibility what so ever.

Then all your ranting about how the:

ToshiroOC quote 'Ah, the wonders of Marchitechure - I can almost see the lack of understanding screaming through your every word. Look dude, DirectX8 T&L is not that important - the gameplay and the general enjoyment of the game is. Graphics are not everything, and you bragging about some minor improvments on the graphics in an already over-hyped game is not going to change the fact that graphics are not everything in a game. You probably couldn't tell the difference between this game and any other game with good graphics code, regardless of the bump mapping and the shaders involved, and you most definitely can't tell the difference between a game with DirectX8 T&L and DirectX7 T&L - and if you can, then you are deluding yourself with numbers, convincing yourself that the higher one is always significantly better. Again, go shove it"

Well where do you get off ASSuming that I am saying what YOU are saying, when it seems like you lack knowledge of PC APis. And your wHOLE BIgger is better compAro about dIrect X, agAIn trying to put A Twist or CHange in the truth (very sloppy) by trying to put words that I did not say or talk about.

All you seem concerened is with assuming things and saying that I wrote something YOU wrote to make your self look good.

Then there is your whole "fake compared to microsoft" well iF yoU would have gone to that link you would have known that all the PS2 is, is a DirectX6 comparable architecture, meaning that the graphics chip is dependent on the CPU for software T&L and it is incapable of hardware pixel and vertex shading unless you were to make a miracle in assembly programing on PS2 for true effects or just fake the effects.

I don't think I have to explain to you anything else in your reply because it just keeps on assuming and hoping that I said what you wrote, so that you can continue your ranting and name calling and whatever.

Kid,... just keep living in your Fantasy World.

toddsmack2k

first off iam a man, one hell of a man! I find it funny you say i dont know what i am talking about and that i did not read your post's. When in your reply back you agree with me that the gameplay and general enjoyment of the game is important and that graphics are not everything. Hmmmm sounds alot like what i was getting at earlier. I can say that the Xbox does have some good points, but to me the PS2 has a whole lot better selection a great games. Whatever you think of me or what i am, i really dont care. I dont take anything here personal. opinions are opinions and this argument could go on forever. At the end of the day as long as i am happy with what i am playing thats what matters to me.

Necrosis

This whole PS2 - XBox - Gamecube is older than all of you think.

Yes, the PS2 has more games. Mainly because Sony has deeper pockets than Nintendo and started before Microsoft. Sony will not allow developers to make games for other consoles because of contracts these developers signed with Sony. Now that also explains why the XBOX is doing so poorly in Japan. Microsoft is increasing the amount of games for their sytem now too. I'm a stickler for quality myself and do prefer to have better looking graphics besides having a bunch of games with mediocre graphics. The very reason why I own a Radeon 9700 Pro, for the quality not just so I can play any game and have it run half decent. However, one thing I do like about Sony's system is compatibility. I commend them on having the PS2 being able to play the PS1 games. Honestly this whole thing is very much like the MAC/PC debate.

If you want to go out and buy a bunch of games you get a PS2.

If you want quality graphics and want to mod your console to death you get a Xbox.

If you need something for the kiddies you get a Game Cube.

If you think consoles suck you stick with your PC.

It's been said Splinter Cell on a quality PC may even out pace the Xbox's graphics. I was totally blown away by the game's feel and look. Honestly I'd would much rather pay $50.00 later for the PC version than have to go out and spend 5x as much now to be able to play the game.

Too bad you can't play PS2 games on the XBOX..now that truly would be an awesome hack.

ToshiroOC

Ok Amuro - I can tell when I am dealing with someone who is going to be unreasonable - just think on what I said. You have been going off on tangents and making large assumptions about me and what I was saying, and I really don't care to debate with a closed-minded and intractable boy who started his first post in the Xbox fans thread with "you guys are such idiots."...