OMG Rockstar Caught With Pants Down on GTA Hot Coffee

YAYitsAndrew · Jul 15, 2005, 11:04 AM

PWNED

gg gta

http://digg.com/gaming/Hot_Coffee_fo...3B_San_Andreas
http://boards.thegfcc.com/viewtopic.php?p=79951

excerpt:
Scroll down about 3 posts and you can see the guy has posted the codes to unlock the hidden sex scenes on the PS2. These codes have been converted/tried and everything is 100% working. Looks like Rockstar lied about the game not being in the consoles and it being a 3rd party mod. Uh oh!

YAYitsAndrew · Jul 15, 2005, 11:18 AM

So what do you think this means? Who's right and who's wrong? Can rockstar weasel out of this?

Vikingod · Jul 15, 2005, 11:22 AM

I didn't think they were contending it was in there, just that is wasn't part of the game. They knew it was in there, but if it was not intended to be in the game, I can't see how they could be held liable.

I still can't believe how big of a deal this turned into, its almost laughable. The sad thing is, this is going to negatively impact the gaming industry. I would not be surprised if federal legislation was passed telling programmers what they can put into their games (thanks Hillary "Stupid Bitch" Clinton). I think it hit close to home with her, after all, her husband won't even sleep with her.

YAYitsAndrew · Jul 15, 2005, 12:45 PM

I was informed that the ESRB's policy is that they are given all game content and media included with the game, whether in or out for review. This may be the specific reason why. Problem is, are they an advisory board with no judicial privledges? Can rockstar say "you can't see this part of the game" simply because they flipped a bit and excluded it from the final game?

Game glitches happen all the time and some allow people to see what they shouldn't. Think the zelda bug where you could save as you were switching screens and hop to parts of the map you weren't supposed to go. What if nintendo had hid zelda's bordello one screen past a cliff wall? This is just the first instance that is potentially damaging. You have parents deeming their children mature enough to play gta, and then having easy access to nudity that wasn't expected.

A guy at works thinks it was all a publicity stunt because rockstar thrives off controversy. They knew someone would find the content if they left it in.

I think we need to revise how the ESA rates games and back them with judicial power when cases like this pop up. This is also a loophole in the DCMA that should be addressed. Flipping a bit is not enough to hide media content, but can you shed all responsibility once someone flips that bit? It may not matter typically but the nature of the material in this instance will make a big public stink.

Vikingod · Jul 15, 2005, 12:51 PM

I agree with the guy you work with, that was my first notion when I saw this. Rockstar wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for stuff like this. Its funny, by making a stink about it, the "questionable material" has only been brought to attention and reached a much greater audience. When will people learn that sometimes the best action is no action at all.

Mazuko · Jul 15, 2005, 01:14 PM

The question is not really who is at fault for the content being there, but what form of litigation should take place because it IS there.

What will happen to the games industry now?

Hell, if you ask me nothing should happen to the games industry. Why? Because, if in theory, the code was part of the game, and it was merely unlocked by a modification to a few lines of code. Should not the ESRB have come across this? Should they not analyze every single thing within a game? Hell, how do they come up with their ratings anyways?

Does someone sit on a couch and play a game from beginning to end and try to find every little thing there is?

Like any government agency I'm sure the ESRB cuts corners where it can, etc. etc. and things were missed.

However, the fault really lies with parents. Could you, as a good parent, knowingly allow your child (most likely of a young age for console players) to play this game? I wouldn't. The problem is two things: 1) Parents that don't pay attention to, or care what, their children are playing/buying/doing. and 2) Retailers that do not take the necessary steps to insure these games do not fall into the hands of children.

Why are retailers not as intent on carding people for videogames as they are for alcohol? Because of crappy legislation that makes the ESRB rating a SUGGESTION not a legal REQUIREMENT. Oooo retailers (and I am in retail management) have a policy in place that if a clerk sells a MA or AO rated game to a minor they are fired, etc. etc. Well to be honest, if that MA or AO game sells 500000 copies at that retailer...are they going to really have themselves ina tissy? Think of all that profit, what business man/woman in their right mind would push that away when there is no repurcussions for selling them to minors?

_sic_ · Jul 18, 2005, 07:09 AM

Rockstar Games had built that mini-game in San Andreas. And the creator of the mod just unlocked it. ESRB probably had no idea that the mini-game was in their. But Rockstar just denied it, just like any other company.

***Zardon*** · Jul 18, 2005, 08:28 AM

I dont see what the big deal is, I mean its ok to go around "killing" hundreds of people including innocent bystanders with a variety of weapons and vehicles, yet when something sexual appears everyone freaks out. The game is already rated 18 in the UK.

***Zardon*** · Jul 18, 2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vikingod

I agree with the guy you work with, that was my first notion when I saw this. Rockstar wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for stuff like this. Its funny, by making a stink about it, the "questionable material" has only been brought to attention and reached a much greater audience. When will people learn that sometimes the best action is no action at all.

It was the same with Manhunt, with censorship boards all getting their panties in a wad saying Rockstar were evil and creating copycat killers. Such a load of bollocks, Manhunt was great fun but if people cant decide were to draw the line or feel a game makes them go out and kill people then they are just blaming other issues on their mental ill-being.

Vikingod · Jul 18, 2005, 09:00 AM

I think a major issue is that parents are letting their young kids play these games. The idea of a video game to a lot of people are that they are only for children, not a viable form of adult entertainment. This is of course as wrong as it could be.
It's been said 1 million times, but "parents need to start taking an active roll in what their children are doing". It seems to me all this fuss could have ben avoided if mom and dad just bothered to peek in on what little Jimmy was up to in his bedroom.

Drakon · Jul 18, 2005, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikingod

I think a major issue is that parents are letting their young kids play these games. The idea of a video game to a lot of people are that they are only for children, not a viable form of adult entertainment. This is of course as wrong as it could be.
It's been said 1 million times, but "parents need to start taking an active roll in what their children are doing". It seems to me all this fuss could have ben avoided if mom and dad just bothered to peek in on what little Jimmy was up to in his bedroom.

I couldn't have said it any better

nuG · Jul 18, 2005, 11:13 AM

lil jimmy knocked my socks off in halo 2. that kid knows how to play.

Jul 15, 2005, 11:04 AM	#1
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,583 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	OMG Rockstar Caught With Pants Down on GTA Hot Coffee PWNED gg gta http://digg.com/gaming/Hot_Coffee_fo...3B_San_Andreas http://boards.thegfcc.com/viewtopic.php?p=79951 excerpt: Scroll down about 3 posts and you can see the guy has posted the codes to unlock the hidden sex scenes on the PS2. These codes have been converted/tried and everything is 100% working. Looks like Rockstar lied about the game not being in the consoles and it being a 3rd party mod. Uh oh! __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism So you think piracy isn't hurting anyone? www.yayitsandrew.com

Jul 15, 2005, 11:18 AM	#2
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,583 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	So what do you think this means? Who's right and who's wrong? Can rockstar weasel out of this? __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism So you think piracy isn't hurting anyone? www.yayitsandrew.com

Jul 15, 2005, 11:22 AM	#3
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I didn't think they were contending it was in there, just that is wasn't part of the game. They knew it was in there, but if it was not intended to be in the game, I can't see how they could be held liable. I still can't believe how big of a deal this turned into, its almost laughable. The sad thing is, this is going to negatively impact the gaming industry. I would not be surprised if federal legislation was passed telling programmers what they can put into their games (thanks Hillary "Stupid Bitch" Clinton). I think it hit close to home with her, after all, her husband won't even sleep with her. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Jul 15, 2005, 12:45 PM	#4
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,583 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	I was informed that the ESRB's policy is that they are given all game content and media included with the game, whether in or out for review. This may be the specific reason why. Problem is, are they an advisory board with no judicial privledges? Can rockstar say "you can't see this part of the game" simply because they flipped a bit and excluded it from the final game? Game glitches happen all the time and some allow people to see what they shouldn't. Think the zelda bug where you could save as you were switching screens and hop to parts of the map you weren't supposed to go. What if nintendo had hid zelda's bordello one screen past a cliff wall? This is just the first instance that is potentially damaging. You have parents deeming their children mature enough to play gta, and then having easy access to nudity that wasn't expected. A guy at works thinks it was all a publicity stunt because rockstar thrives off controversy. They knew someone would find the content if they left it in. I think we need to revise how the ESA rates games and back them with judicial power when cases like this pop up. This is also a loophole in the DCMA that should be addressed. Flipping a bit is not enough to hide media content, but can you shed all responsibility once someone flips that bit? It may not matter typically but the nature of the material in this instance will make a big public stink. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism So you think piracy isn't hurting anyone? www.yayitsandrew.com

Jul 15, 2005, 12:51 PM	#5
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I agree with the guy you work with, that was my first notion when I saw this. Rockstar wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for stuff like this. Its funny, by making a stink about it, the "questionable material" has only been brought to attention and reached a much greater audience. When will people learn that sometimes the best action is no action at all. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Jul 15, 2005, 01:14 PM	#6
Mazuko DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 1,009 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	The question is not really who is at fault for the content being there, but what form of litigation should take place because it IS there. What will happen to the games industry now? Hell, if you ask me nothing should happen to the games industry. Why? Because, if in theory, the code was part of the game, and it was merely unlocked by a modification to a few lines of code. Should not the ESRB have come across this? Should they not analyze every single thing within a game? Hell, how do they come up with their ratings anyways? Does someone sit on a couch and play a game from beginning to end and try to find every little thing there is? Like any government agency I'm sure the ESRB cuts corners where it can, etc. etc. and things were missed. However, the fault really lies with parents. Could you, as a good parent, knowingly allow your child (most likely of a young age for console players) to play this game? I wouldn't. The problem is two things: 1) Parents that don't pay attention to, or care what, their children are playing/buying/doing. and 2) Retailers that do not take the necessary steps to insure these games do not fall into the hands of children. Why are retailers not as intent on carding people for videogames as they are for alcohol? Because of crappy legislation that makes the ESRB rating a SUGGESTION not a legal REQUIREMENT. Oooo retailers (and I am in retail management) have a policy in place that if a clerk sells a MA or AO rated game to a minor they are fired, etc. etc. Well to be honest, if that MA or AO game sells 500000 copies at that retailer...are they going to really have themselves ina tissy? Think of all that profit, what business man/woman in their right mind would push that away when there is no repurcussions for selling them to minors? __________________ E-bay feedback: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...me=STRK:ME:UFS

Jul 18, 2005, 07:09 AM	#7
_sic_ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Rockstar Games had built that mini-game in San Andreas. And the creator of the mod just unlocked it. ESRB probably had no idea that the mini-game was in their. But Rockstar just denied it, just like any other company.

Jul 18, 2005, 08:28 AM	#8
*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,259 Rep Power: 3150	I dont see what the big deal is, I mean its ok to go around "killing" hundreds of people including innocent bystanders with a variety of weapons and vehicles, yet when something sexual appears everyone freaks out. The game is already rated 18 in the UK.

Jul 18, 2005, 09:00 AM	#10
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I think a major issue is that parents are letting their young kids play these games. The idea of a video game to a lot of people are that they are only for children, not a viable form of adult entertainment. This is of course as wrong as it could be. It's been said 1 million times, but "parents need to start taking an active roll in what their children are doing". It seems to me all this fuss could have ben avoided if mom and dad just bothered to peek in on what little Jimmy was up to in his bedroom. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Jul 18, 2005, 11:13 AM	#12
nuG is having a sexy party Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,780 Rep Power: 0	lil jimmy knocked my socks off in halo 2. that kid knows how to play. __________________ [COLOR=Black][/COLOR]