PS3 is "way, way more powerful than Xbox 2"

Wunderchu · Mar 4, 2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolgar

From the April 2005 issue of EGM, page 82:

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PlayStation 3 > Xbox 2
Every time I've chatted about next-gen consoles with the development community, nobody has really been able to tell me which machine has the most horsepower... until now. One high-profile developer who has seen both PS3 and Xbox 2 technology recently whispered into my innocent ear, "The next PlayStation is way, way more powerful than Xbox 2. It's insanely powerful. But don't cry, all you Xbots out there--my source promises that we'll still be quite impressed with the capabilities of Microsoft's Xbox successor.

Make of it what you will.

[source: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewto...20915&start=40 ]

nitrousoxide52 · Mar 4, 2005, 06:49 PM

Technology changes, and with the release dates of these next gen's systems quite far off, things could make a huge turn.

Sargentwhitey · Mar 4, 2005, 07:48 PM

I laugh at how hard the PS3 will be to code for. See here I go.

nitrousoxide52 · Mar 4, 2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sargentwhitey

I laugh at how hard the PS3 will be to code for. See here I go.

I never even though about that

, each individual game will take almost as long as HL2 took to make (and the HL2 physics source code is only 5 lines an item

)

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Mar 4, 2005, 08:39 PM

even if the specs change i will never get over the fact what xbox is:

a PC in a box which plays poorer versions of PC games with a controller ripped off of sega dreamcast and centers its success around Halo and ports of PS2 games.

Judas · Mar 4, 2005, 09:41 PM

PS2 games being ports of Nintendo games

in any case, we'll see if sony can get anyone to create some decently coded, decent looking games aside from pretty much one one game already which is Grand Trismo 4... which imo, i still find lacking a hell of alot....

I know the Cell tech is quite excellent... but i would also expect the next gen nintendo to have the same power itself. not to mention another ATI powered vpu.... Xbox/Nintendo should be rather easy to port from each other in terms of the graphical side of the hardware.... cpu wise.. not a clue

Customgamer1 · Mar 4, 2005, 09:49 PM

Who cares. I don't see why anyone would care how fast it can load a game. Its not really like a computer where everything is always changing. All that really matters is how good the video quality is. Also it will only look as good as the tv you hook it up to. The word is i guess like the ps3 will have 2+ cpu's?? thats just a way to raise up the price. They should just focus on gameplay. I just don't get it.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Mar 4, 2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

PS2 games being ports of Nintendo games

in any case, we'll see if sony can get anyone to create some decently coded, decent looking games aside from pretty much one one game already which is Grand Trismo 4... which imo, i still find lacking a hell of alot....

nintendo games are rarely ported nowadays to other consoles, they suit nintendo best. but capcom just do their games (notice the plural, not just resident evil 4) best on ps one and ps2. nintendo is yet to make an acceptable realistic racing game (cruisin usa' does not count). nintendo does their games better with second party companies, i think selling rare was the stupidest thing they did since microsoft will do crap with it and they ruined bond by giving it to EA. nintendo did a lot with rare.

and remind you, we can have all the graphics technology in the world, if we have monkeys writing crappy stories and weak unorigonal gameplay every game would be doom 3. xbox is just a technical showoff, i only salute it's online play which they did a really good job of. but then again i own a PC that towers over xbox's specifications and nowadays which most people do. it attracts more PC gamers since it has these things

1. microsoft - "TRUSTED" software/hardware giant
2. big money=microsoft=popular company then goes back to trustworthy company crap
3. more like a PC, plays my PC games on TV

i take gamecube and xbox over a xbox because i want to play a console, not just have some impressive hardware with PC games ported.

sony are a bunch of losers in terms of a company, trying to get us to convert stupid songs into their format for their players is a waste of time. also memory sticks are just fanciers flashcards and another waste of money. their tv's give out nice quality picture and sound, but quality wise panasonic and hitachi will trump over it. electronic experts have told me when i brought in my old RCA that it will give as many problems as a sony, sony we pay too much for their products. but the playstation as a gaming console is good, i mean who the hell holds the world record for selling so many gaming consoles SONY DOES. who literally put EA on the map, sony did giving it oppurtunities to make so many games on PS1 and then PS2, same for capcom, konami, activision, namco and more recently rockstar. PS3 will crush xbox next or 360 wutever they name it. Sony as a company are whores in terms of pricing and quality, but their success with their first console surpassess Xbox and PS2 has surpassed xbox in success as well. i don't think PS3 will be too different.

Judas · Mar 4, 2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Customgamer1

Who cares. I don't see why anyone would care how fast it can load a game. Its not really like a computer where everything is always changing. All that really matters is how good the video quality is. Also it will only look as good as the tv you hook it up to. The word is i guess like the ps3 will have 2+ cpu's?? thats just a way to raise up the price. They should just focus on gameplay. I just don't get it.

Cell tech is basically mutliple cpus (i think someone mentioned 9 cpu's somewhere)... working in tandom... the price is only a touch more for about 9 times the juice.

BTW... i do know that the GC doesn't have a racing game even remotely similare to Grand Trismo, well, aside from NFS Underground 2.... which i beleive nintendo has a could waud of thier money in EAs hands to start off with... nintendo has thier hands all over the NFS series.

To many people still think the GC is just a kids console... it isn't anything like that, it has some of the RPGs that make some of the xbox RPG look rather old in terms of gameplay..

Nintendo has nailed Gameplay, they've gotten the experience and they know usually when something goes sour. And it is rather stupid that nintendo has sold off a bunch of thier good companions.... i mean, they got rid of Squarsoft which IMO was the ultimate, not to mention Capcom which was just as good, those 2 made the best games and nintendo somehow pissed them both off. I wish Retro would help produce more games though.

No_Style · Mar 4, 2005, 11:49 PM

A lot of pressure is on developers for next gen games. Developers want to succeed and they will. Remember how difficult the PS2 was to code for? And now look at where we are today. Nothing is too difficult when you get used to it and I'm certain developers will find ways to cope with development.

Microsoft have rounded up a lot of high profile developers for the X-Box Next. We have the creator of FF series and one of the main guys behind Street Fighter 2 and Resident Evil series on the MS camp. Next generation will be interesting, especially for Microsoft and their desire to penetrate the Japanese market.

As for Nintendo and their developer issues, I hope most of those issues are passe now. We have seen Capcom and Square Enix develop for the GC once again. The GameCube's "Child like" image can only be blamed upon Nintendo itself. Once you make a first impression like that of Luigi's Mansion and other "kid" titles, you can be certain that image will haunt.

Another concern people have is the price of these consoles. $399 USD MSRP would be a good price for any of those machines, but I won't be surprised if they raise or lower. All consoles are money pits at first, until manufacturering efficiency can be raised. The X-Box was a money pit for the longest time before it started to actually make money. MS, Sony and Nintendo don't make money off hardware, it's all about the software. Nintendo capitalized on the fact when more appealing games started to arrive and undercut the price of the GC tremendously.

I personally don't care which piece of hardware is more powerful, I care about the games behind the consoles first and how they interact with the hardware second.

Counterfe1t · Mar 4, 2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BiGBrOwNPimpsta

even if the specs change i will never get over the fact what xbox is:

a PC in a box which plays poorer versions of PC games with a controller ripped off of sega dreamcast and centers its success around Halo and ports of PS2 games.

yes, an xbox may have the same games that are to be released for ps2 but why would you wish to limit yourself with a 640x480 and medium graphics or 1080dpi but if you have that much much to throw around might as well buy a high end pc and save the extra money for something more useful. but what xbox has done was to show that games dont have to be fun they just have to be pretty.

or if your a lazy reader:

PC = Freedom
Consoles = restrictions

No_Style · Mar 5, 2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Counterfe1t

or if your a lazy reader:

PC = Freedom
Consoles = restrictions

For a developer:

PC = Countless hardware configuration and software configuration hassles.
Console = Set standards and lots of room to create your work.

To elaborate:

Picture both types of platforms (PC and consoles) as a canvas. With the PC, you have to worry about different brush sizes, different brands of paints, different brands of brushes and the list can go on and on. On the console, those are set and the artist can merely focus on creating his/her masterpiece.

The reason why hardware specifications have jumped tremendously for the consoles is to make sure that the developers have enough freedom.

Counterfe1t · Mar 5, 2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

For a developer:

PC = Countless hardware configuration and software configuration hassles.
Console = Set standards and lots of room to create your work.

To elaborate:

Picture both types of platforms (PC and consoles) as a canvas. With the PC, you have to worry about different brush sizes, different brands of paints, different brands of brushes and the list can go on and on. On the console, those are set and the artist can merely focus on creating his/her masterpiece.

The reason why hardware specifications have jumped tremendously for the consoles is to make sure that the developers have enough freedom.

But it is that freedom to choose different brush sizes then to be told what brush you must use or can use the modding community is still strong no one can even deny that modding has not created some of the most memorable games.
but as to creativity it doesnt matter what platform but when it comes to freedom to change, customize or create new content, PC still remains the best platform.

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Originally Posted by No_Style

artist can merely focus on creating his/her masterpiece.

HL2 cannot be denied as a masterpiece though many have argued about the story the same can be said for any other game.

Son_of_Thunder · Mar 5, 2005, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

Cell tech is basically mutliple cpus (i think someone mentioned 9 cpu's somewhere)... working in tandom... the price is only a touch more for about 9 times the juice.

BTW... i do know that the GC doesn't have a racing game even remotely similare to Grand Trismo, well, aside from NFS Underground 2.... which i beleive nintendo has a could waud of thier money in EAs hands to start off with... nintendo has thier hands all over the NFS series.

To many people still think the GC is just a kids console... it isn't anything like that, it has some of the RPGs that make some of the xbox RPG look rather old in terms of gameplay..

Nintendo has nailed Gameplay, they've gotten the experience and they know usually when something goes sour. And it is rather stupid that nintendo has sold off a bunch of thier good companions.... i mean, they got rid of Squarsoft which IMO was the ultimate, not to mention Capcom which was just as good, those 2 made the best games and nintendo somehow pissed them both off. I wish Retro would help produce more games though.

that little speech made me want to run out and buy a gamecube, but, i think i'll stick w/ my ps2...wait...damn, it's broken. i guess i'll stick w/ my ps1, now i'm going to go play some busido blade 2, or maybe tekken 3...hmm...i'd have to find them first.

well, i'll just stick w/ my pc.

franguinho · Mar 5, 2005, 09:03 AM

im sure MS has something up their sleeve...