Violence in Video Games

The Ender · Feb 9, 2005, 07:28 PM

Hey I'm writing a research paper in English about violence in video games, if you could post and just tell me 1) Are you a gamer? 2) Your gender 3) Your feelings about violence in video games. Thanks for your time.

MythicaL · Feb 9, 2005, 07:34 PM

Yes, male, and people criticize video games and their 'violent' nature all the time. Well I say screw them...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 9, 2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ender

Hey I'm writing a research paper in English about violence in video games, if you could post and just tell me 1) Are you a gamer? 2) Your gender 3) Your feelings about violence in video games. Thanks for your time.

1) Yes, Hardcore
2) Male
3) The violence in games is no worse then whats commonly shown on cable tv in every home across america and the world. Yes, it does desencitises you to seeing voilence and again no more then whats on TV, movies, books, comics etc...

But it also releaves stress etc... I mean You can come home from a hard day of work or from being crapped on by some one. Insted of acting out in real life you get home kill and blow stuff up on you pc and no body gets hurt nothing gets damaged.

Gameing in genral eye hand cordenation greatly improves with the use of games, so does your sence of stratigy, you get smarter when challanged to become better, faster and to prodict the moves of you openet(s) and the phisics of the game...

Thos who try to connect games and voilence are just looking for an escape goats. As opposed to takeing responceabilty for thier own actins. Many just trying to get off or get a lesser sentance when it's 101% them and has nothing to do with anything else.I've played more games and watched move movies then alot of people and I'm fine. Voilence is appealing in games just is it is apealing and a big sell on the news etc...Games really aren't getting in voilenter they are just getting more detailed and more reaslistic.... but over all the same....

CaptinSxb · Feb 9, 2005, 08:33 PM

yes
male
if violence affected people the way some seem to think dont you think the millions that play cs halo2 gta and Ut would go into school/work and get multikills every day

? neon was right, its just an excuse for people to get off of charges

Koolaid · Feb 9, 2005, 09:05 PM

1. Yes

2. Male

3. Here is my take on it. I have been gaming since back when Zork and Kings Quest and Wizardry were the only commercial games on the shelf. If you wanted better you had to code it yourself from the magazines you bought. When Doom, Quake, Hexin, and all the other games that you could even begin to call violent came out. It was really refreshing more than anything else. I would have to agree some games I would not let my kids play (Postal and Postal 2 come to mind). I think that if you raise responsible children and you teach them right from wrong, you should not have a problem allowing them to play Violent type games without having to worry about whether they are going to go out and buy a machete' and hack someone down off the street. I feel:

*If the person is claiming they killed or hurt someone because of a video game-

1. I think that person was violent before playing the video game and they are just looking for something to get them off being convicted or the death penalty. violent people are just looking to blame anything or anyone else but themselves. Granted, for an already violent person, giving them ideas (by playing violent video games) is probably not a good idea. But like I said, I do not think it makes a normal non violent person become violent.

*If the person is claiming that they feel video games makes you violent-

1. I think that is just a bunch of total nonsense and that person has too much time on thier hands to putting the blame on video games for causing violence.

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On a side note, my 4 year old son used to play serious sam quite a bit. ( I would change the blood to be flowers in the control panel so it didn't look gruesome ) And my son now 6 is far from violent.

However, I would definately not let him watch me play Postal or Postal 2 .. or play it himself.

just my 2 cents

Dark Lord · Feb 9, 2005, 09:34 PM

male
avid gamer
like neon said, the violence is no worse in games then it is in tv/movies/internet.

i think it was george carlin that said "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean, if Pac Man affected us kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."

CDsDontBurn · Feb 9, 2005, 11:36 PM

1. yes
2. male
3. violence in video games is overated. All them old farts in congress or wherever they come from need to take a chill pill.

MythicaL · Feb 9, 2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by another-user

i think it was george carlin that said "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean, if Pac Man affected us kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."

George Carlin is halarious

MSX · Feb 9, 2005, 11:59 PM

... No offense but, your better off not touching this issue. There has been no recorded link between violent people and video games by psychologists aside from they like to transfer the blame them. But, as you wish.

I wouldn't go as far to call everyone here rational human beings but there's little flaming, and in general trolls are few and far in between. Just stated from that fact, and that I imagine all of us in the gaming forum at least share a passive interest in the media, that violence in video games is tolerable. Were all reasonably sane here. Thats the only conclusion you can make for sure. That, and gamers are most predominately male. However you don't need a survey to determine that. Games are designed to appeal to male audiences.

Games that are overly violent are generally avoided. Thats why we don't have video games where you can, lets say for instance disembowel someone. Even one of the most realistically violent video games series: SOF is still fairly cartoon and does not relate to the real world at all. Suffice to say that you won't have any trouble distinguishing it from reality. If people have that problem you would not want them running free now would you? The person is obviously less than sane. This happens with all sorts of media and is generally not common. These people would be institutionalized, not sent to prison. Prisoners seem to like to transfer blame.

Movies, for instance, have been accused of "corrupting" people since the 60's and now they're no longer a hot topic. I imagine video games will take the same route. Video games are just the new scapegoat for our generation. Games will have blame cast onto them till stupid people find a bigger, badder, more popular thing to transfer the product of their stupidity onto.

Thus I mirror what was said above for the most part. I just hope I added a little insight.

Geminiwave · Feb 10, 2005, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Gameing in genral eye hand cordenation greatly improves with the use of games, so does your sence of stratigy, you get smarter when challanged to become better, faster and to prodict the moves of you openet(s) and the phisics of the game...

its been pretty well proven that it doesnt improve hand\eye coordination. That excuse is kinda invalid.

I agree though that it challenges the mind if you get the right game.

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Originally Posted by Koolaid

Here is my take on it. I have been gaming since back when Zork and Kings Quest and Wizardry were the only commercial games on the shelf.

KINGS QUEST RULES SO f-ING MUCH! And the funny thing is that those games werent really violent at all...and yet they were my favorite games as a little kid.

course now I have games like Painkiller and Half-life 2

Callandor · Feb 10, 2005, 02:00 AM

1-Yes
2-Xtreme gamer
3-What violence? I don't think there's any violence in games, it's just a bunch sweet of pixels moving about the screen that give us a sense of joy that is unexplained and which enroach our lives like like the black plague. Games are about as violent as the Teletubies or Barney the Dinosaur. If you ask me, the so called "violence" in games can easily be differentiated from the real world violence and televsion viloence.

If I were to shoot a person in the head in a game, or say run over them and squish em in a car as you would in GTA, that would not look even a fraction as bad as if I were to do it in real life or see it being done to someone on the eveing news on T.V. Violence in games is nothing but a myth if you ask me.

edit: Oh, & btw, I'm one hundred and ten percent male.

md5 · Feb 10, 2005, 04:18 AM

1- yes
2- male
3- they're moving pixels, so I don't really mind. TV has a lot more violence than video games, and half of the time it's real...
In real life, I wouldn't even dream of doing what I do in video games. I don't believe in violence, unless of course I'm attacked

clicker666 · Feb 10, 2005, 06:06 AM

1. Yes
2. Male
3. Yes, there are games with a lot of violence, but there are games without. Just as there are other forms of media with and without violence. Having played video games for the past 20 years, I can honestly, say that they haven't caused me to kill, maim, or injure anyone. For me it's entertainment. I find the computer more interesting than the television because it allows for interaction with my entertainment environment.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 10, 2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the_neon_cowboy

Gameing in genral eye hand cordenation greatly improves with the use of games, so does your sence of stratigy, you get smarter when challanged to become better, faster and to prodict the moves of you openet(s) and the phisics of the game...

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Originally Posted by Geminiwave

its been pretty well proven that it doesnt improve hand\eye coordination. That excuse is kinda invalid.

Actually the people with the best eye hand cordenation, and responce times in the world are GAMERS

gameing improves, memory, eye/ hand cordantion, can teach important skills, problem solveing, reaction times... etc etc etc not to mention thier massive common use in traning..

i Assume other then the studies that been done that prove it and that it's plaster all over websites across the web.... I mean for one example fast, and I can beat any nongamer or non experianced gamer in any game as if they weren't even playing. Only amoung other hard core / skilled gamers can I be beat. You can play a game for a mouth ge it down hand me the controler and a few seconds later I'm painting the game with your blood. luagings while you over there getting mad and upset becouse you can't win even if I handy cap my self severly to try to make it fair.For example in a figt game you can pick your chariter and mine... I still win..

any one who's not a gamer hasn't 2 hoots in hell in defeating me. Yes there are better players but amoung hardcore experianced gamers ...

it's been plasterd all over game sites

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These games can improve Hand Eye Coordination and make you giggle as well. Improving Hand Eye Coordination by playing fun games...that's great ! You don't need to focus on the vision of having great reflexes, just play and laugh while you enhance your Hand Eye Coordination !
http://www.kidsgames.org/hand/hand-e...rdination.html

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Study finds playing video games improves your mind

A study conducted by researchers at the University of Rochester found that people who play fast-paced action video games have improved visual skills when compared to those who don't play. According to the study, people who played such video games were able to able to better track objects appearing simultaneously, and processed fast-changing visual information more efficiently.

To help ensure the validity of the study, researchers also looked at people who did not normally play video games, trained them to play, and then looked at the results. This group, too, showed improved visual capabilities. The games the non-players were trained on were Medal of Honor and Tetris. Those who played Medal of Honor scored better on the visual tests than those who did not.

The study did not indicate why a person's visual skills were enhanced, and did not concern itself with the violence in the video games. The findings indicate that video game training for people who require improved visual skills--such as soldiers--would be successful.

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/20...0530020205.htm

news sites, medial sites, game sites etc etc etc... It's all over the place only god knows how you don't know this it's proven fact

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Video Game Experience and Skill Good Indicator of Laparoscopic Surgical Proficiency

Don't turn off your kid's video game console so quickly…he or she may be a surgeon in the making. A significant correlation exists between video game experience and proficiency at laparoscopic surgery, an increasingly popular form of minimally invasive surgery, according to a recent study conducted by surgeons and researchers at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City in conjunction with The National Institute on Media and the Family.

Previous studies show that video games improve one's hand-eye coordination, reaction times, spatial visualization skills and capacity for visual attention and spatial distribution. Laparoscopic surgeon James (Butch) Rosser Jr., MD, director of minimally invasive surgery and director of the Advanced Medical Technology Institute at Beth Israel, always believed that his own affinity and skill at video games was directly related to his success performing surgery and suturing with laraposcopic tools. After hearing many of his surgery students say the same thing about their own skills, Rosser decided to conduct a study to determine if good video game skills do indeed translate into surgical prowess.
Rosser and his team found not only a significant correlation between past experience with video games and proficiency at laparoscopic surgery, but current, demonstrated video game skill also translated into similar dexterity.

"I always felt that my long time experience with playing video games made me better with laparoscopic surgical instruments," said Rosser. "After hearing many of my colleagues say the same thing, I decided to look further into the correlation between the two."

Highlighted findings, presented at the Medicine Meets Virtual Reality Conference in Newport Beach, Calif. on Friday, January 17, include:

Subjects who once played video games for more than three hours per week have a 37 percent reduction in errors when performing laraposcopic surgery, and accomplish their surgical task 27 percent quicker, than their non-video game playing counterparts
Subjects who ever played video games experienced a 28 percent reduction in errors while suturing and accomplish their suturing 24 percent quicker.
Current video gamers scored 40 percent better overall in the Top Gun suturing course
Current video game skill and past video game experience were significantly more indicative of a surgeon's laparoscopic surgical proficiency than number of previous cases previously performed and years of training

"The results do not surprise me," added Rosser. "Being a successful surgeon of any kind requires some of the same skills that go into being good at playing video games, including hand-eye coordination and spatial visualization skills. This study certainly supports my initial thoughts that video games played a role in harnessing my laparoscopic skills and can indeed be good teaching tools."

Dr. Douglas Gentile, director of research for the National Institute on Media and the Family and psychology professor at Iowa State University, agrees. "These findings confirm what we have long suspected - video games are natural teachers, and many of the things taught, both positive and negative, are unintended by the game designers," said Gentile. "This is why parents need to pay attention to what types of games their children play." Gentile, whose organization is devoted to maximizing the benefits and minimizing the harm of media on children and families, helped create the theoretical framework for the study and supervised all data analysis and interpretation.

Study co-author Paul J. Lynch, M.D., a research associate at Beth Israel who has been researching the psychological and physiological effects of video games for the past 14 years, is similarly pleased with the results. "With all of the negative effects that video games have on children, it is nice to see that video games have some positive attributes as well," said Lynch. "We theorize that video game playing may develop neural pathways that are later available for use in different arenas, including laparoscopic surgery."

The Study Design
Thirty-three subjects, comprised of 12 attending physicians and 21 medical school residents, participated in the study from May to August 2003, with the design centered around Dr. Rosser's laparoscopic skills and suturing teaching program, Top Gun*. Along with participation in Top Gun, each subject also completed three video game tasks that tested fine motor skills, reaction time, eye-hand coordination, targeting, non-dominant hand emphasis, and 2D depth perception compensation - skills similar to those required to successfully advance in laparoscopy. Each subject was then surveyed to assess past experience with video games as well as current level of play, level of laparoscopic training, number of laparoscopic cases performed, and number of years in medical practice.

With laparoscopic surgery, three or four tiny keyhole incisions are made in the surgical area. A very small video camera (laparoscope) which sends images to an external video screen, along with tools that are designed like traditional surgical instruments but on a much smaller scale, are inserted into the body through the incisions. The surgeon then maneuvers the joysticks externally, thereby controlling the tools that perform the surgery internally, while watching the surgical field on the external video screen.

http://www.mediafamily.org/press/20040114.shtml

I mean ?I can link to articals upon articals upon articals it a bottomless pit of stuf proveing what you said wrong

the links take you to the full articals

[color=#0000ff]Doctors Use Video Games to Hone Skills (Reuters)[/color]
Reuters - If Dr. James Rosser Jr. had his way, every surgeon in America would have three indispensable tools on the operating room tray: a scalpel, sutures, and a video game controller.

[color=#0000ff]Video Games Teach More Than Hand-Eye Coordination (Reuters)[/color]
Reuters - Video games, often maligned as having little or no redeeming value, are becoming a way for firefighters, soldiers, currency traders and college administrators to hone their skills.

(not to mention police AND ARMY, AIRFORCE ENTIRE MILLITARY ALLREADY USES AND TRAINS USEING GAMES)

[color=#0000ff]layStation Also Develops Chin-Eye Coordination[/color]
Cerebral palsy sufferer Sam Mansel parlayed his skills in controlling racing video games with his chin into a wheelchair with similar controls. He's so good that his doctors have upgraded the speed on his chair twice. At night, he dreams...

[color=#0000ff]Games teach serious skills[/color]
Games don?t just perfect your killing skills; you can also use them to learn how to run a university, handle chemical attacks and deal with currency trading. It may never rival the multi-billion dollar industry of entertainment games, but serious...

[color=#0000ff]Games help street urchins learn[/color]
After a two-year study, the research institute, the Centre for Media Studies concluded that gaming helps the children improve their reading on screen and their ability to resolve conflicts. It seems to be key in developing strategies to overcome obstacles and reach goals, and even in allowing them back into mainstream society.

[color=#0000ff]Buy your doctor a PS2[/color]
CNN is reporting on a study that found that doctors who played video games for at least 3 hours a week made "about 37% less mistakes in laparoscopic surgery" along with other interesting gains....

[color=#0000ff]Game skills help in career in financial trading[/color]
Fast reaction times and other video game skills help potential financial trading employees.

[color=#0000ff]Surgeons Aided by Gameplaying Habits[/color]
A new study shows that surgeons who are gamers have better hand-eye coordination and other skills, than those who don’t play video games on a regular basis.

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Video Games Good Medicine

Could video games be the cure to your ills?

Video games may not keep the common cold away, but they could help improve your health...and the medical community is finally starting to see benefits.

It seems that two United States doctors have proven that video games can be used as an integral part of this field...despite the bad publicity that that video games get from some social organizations. Dr. Anu Patel of University Hospital in Newark, NJ. used video games to calm children down prior to surgery. Another physician, Dr. James Rosser showed that some doctors are more accurate in their surgical procedure if performed right after playing video games.

Dr. Patel observed that some children seemed oblivious to where they were while they were holding a Nintendo Gameboy, (just think what a DS could do). She continued to study the soothing effects of video games on children. “We find that the children are just so happy with the GameBoy that they actually do forget where they are,” Patel said. It is possible that this study could prompt doctors to use games instead of tranquilizers when parents are reluctant to using drugs.

In Patel’s study, 78 children aged 4 to 12 years old were split into three groups; one group had parents only, the second group was given anesthesia and the third group was given GameBoys. During the study, the GameBoy group showed no increase in anxiety before surgery. On a standard, preoperative anxiety test, the tranquilizer group jumped 7.5 points and the parents-only group 17.5 points.

Dr. Rosser is from the Beth Israel Medical Center in New York, and he stated that Surgeons said that Surgeons playing video games at least three hours a week have 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27 percent faster. He based his findings after having some colleagues from the Advanced Medical Technologies Institute in Beth Israel play the video game “Super Monkey Ball” in the Nintendo GameCube. Now the industry is working to come up with more effective video game related tools that can be used in the medical profession.

So, next time you are at the doctor's office, and he prescribes Valium, you might be better off just going home and playing a little Donkey Kong, or better yet, Half-Life 2! I wonder if I can get my HMO to pay for my computer in network...
http://www.halflifesource.com/forums...ad.php?t=26410

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Originally Posted by Geminiwave

its been pretty well proven that it doesnt improve hand\eye coordination. That excuse is kinda invalid.

I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON...
BUT THIS SHOULD BE SUFFICANT AS TO PROVEING YOU WROING

I now leave you to eat your words, bon jour!

Frodo301 · Feb 10, 2005, 08:02 AM

Yes, male, and another older gamer that remebers the hey days of Infocom games (Zork, Hitchiker's Guide). IMHO there is more realistic violence that is veiwed daily around the world on CNN, FoxNews, and the other various international and local news. Murder, rape, war, famine, we've got it all here, brought to you by newsreporters on the front lines 24 hours a day. And people are complaining about the level of violence in games, pleeeeze

. Isn't this what the ratings on the front of the box are there for? People need to stop blaming everything they feel is a threat, wheather it be movies, rock and roll or video games and take responbility as a *parent*. end of rant, off to play CS now

bake15 · Feb 10, 2005, 08:10 AM

1-yes
2-male
3-the more the better and no i have never killed,raped or hurt anyone after playing a game(broke a few gamepads though)

Logla · Feb 10, 2005, 08:23 AM

1. Yes
2. Male
3. Doesn't bother me too much unless its over the top gore. Manhunt for example seemed totally over the top and I reckon the game could have been made better if they hadn't concentrated on the gore factor as much.
Games like HL2 and Farcry which have me running around with big guns shooting people dont bother me at all.

Callandor · Feb 10, 2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Logla

3. Doesn't bother me too much unless its over the top gore. Manhunt for example seemed totally over the top and I reckon the game could have been made better if they hadn't concentrated on the gore factor as much.
Games like HL2 and Farcry which have me running around with big guns shooting people dont bother me at all.

In fact, this brings us fellow gamers closer together. We may even have a more closely knit social community than any other group or organisation!

Ubergrendle · Feb 10, 2005, 09:09 AM

Two things:

1) Correlation does not imply causation.

Just because kids at Columbine played Doom incesantly does not imply that Doom contributed to their deranged state. Its much more likely they sought out products (e.g. like guns?) that fulfilled their fantasies.

2) Video games are at the peak of violence in their history -- better graphics, more adult content, more realism. However, society on the whole (north america) is experiencing 30 year lows for violent crime.

There is simply no proven pscychological or sociological effect of violent cartoons or violent videogames on the society aggregate at large.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 10, 2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sun_walka

In fact, this brings us fellow gamers closer together. We may even have a more closely knit social community than any other group or organisation!

come to a lanwar or million man lan event some time

it's a blast

OldBuzzard · Feb 10, 2005, 10:18 AM

1. Yes

2. Male

3. Anyone that thinks that 'gaming' is a cause of violence, is delusional, or just looking an excuse to blame anyone or anything other than the individual that comitted the violence.

When I was a kid, we had cap pistols the looked like the real thing, toy guns that shot plastic bullets, bows and arrows with suction cups on the arrows that we shot at each other. Our play was just as 'violent' as the video games of today, and everyone (even the adults) saw it as 'normal', and nothing to worry about. This was in the late 40's thru the early 60's. At that time guns weren't banned from schools, and in hunting season, a lot of the older kids brought their rifles and/or shotguns to school so they could go hunting after school was finished for the day. There were no 'school shootings', and other violence that we see in schools today. The reason, I think, is that there was DISCIPLINE in schools just as there was at home. I don't mean 'time out' or suspension, like we see today...it was genuine, old fashened spanking, and if you got one at school, you could damn well expect one at home too, just because you got one at school. You were expected to behave, and if you didn't, there was no excuse. You caused it, you paid for it. No one looked for a reason to 'blame' your behavior on.

When I was in highschool, we had a rifle team, and had meets with other schools. No one got hurt, and if anything we were safer, because we knew what firearms did, we knew how they worked and how to handle them safely.

It wasn't until the late 60's that things started getting out of hand, and it started when the 'liberal touchy-feely' people started to dominate the education and 'social services' fields. Since then, discipline in schools has decreased, followed by an almost 'state mandated' reduction of discipline at home. Now, if you spank a kid you are looked on as a 'monster' and surely YOU are the cause of his mis-behavior.

These people would have you think that corporal discipline, or other outside influences such as realistic toy guns, violent TV shows, violent cartoons, violent video games, and the like are the cause of problems. I find it odd then, that the generation that grew up with at least the first three of those is the generation that won WWII, put a man on the moon, and started the technical revolution that continues today. If those 'games' and corporal discipline were so bad, and then why weren't we effected?

pr0digal jenius · Feb 10, 2005, 11:56 AM

1 - Yes

2 - Male

3 - Violent video games make a decent vent point and are a great source of non-destructive anger management, in my book.

The Ender · Feb 10, 2005, 06:22 PM

In response to MSX, I'm not trying to prove anything. We're merely writing a paper about a controversial issue, and instead of trying to prove something, we're just to give the different groups arguing and what their main arguments are.

MSX · Feb 11, 2005, 01:13 AM

And I stated how the debate is silly and held up by people's stupidity and willingness to blame anything but themselves.

I really need to work on my people skills sometime... Or just be more to the point.

Dyre Straits · Feb 11, 2005, 01:27 AM

1. Yes

2. Male

3. Define "violence"

Falstaff · Feb 11, 2005, 01:49 AM

violence is more than "one" violin....LOL

digerati · Feb 11, 2005, 02:38 AM

1) Yes
2) Male

3) I've always loved violent games, and was kinda violent as a child but I have become really passive. I've done my best to avoid fights, even took a hit and brushed it off so that things wouldn't escalate. I didn't go home and pretend to hurt the guy who hit me because he weighed like 105 pounds and was a little Asian on a power trip lol. You just have to instill what is right and what is wrong in a person during their upbringing, if they don't know the difference, then it's your fault as a parent.

No_Style · Feb 12, 2005, 09:51 AM

1) Affirmative, on the gamer question.

2) Male

3)

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You just have to instill what is right and what is wrong in a person during their upbringing, if they don't know the difference, then it's your fault as a parent.

Go plagiarism~

It would also be nice if parents would watch over what their kids play. This whole videogames violence thing is very comparable to the incident where a child suffocated himself with a "Pokeball". The parent blames Burger King for the incident. Maybe the parent should have been watching their kids!? It's not like the Pokeball jumped out of the bag and suctioned itself onto the kid's face!

TJ- · Feb 14, 2005, 12:34 AM

1. YES!!!

2. Male...

3. Violence, what violence, mabye its just me but i would like to see more blood, guts, brains, nudity and horror in games. Manhunt wasnt gory at all, it was just plain crap. The games out now that are supposodly violent and WEAK. I want realistic gore. They should come out with a game that teaches you the pressure points of a human and teaches you how to torture him, reward points earns you new tools. Could be a training tool for Military and "terrorists". (dont spam me)

md5 · Feb 14, 2005, 07:16 AM

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The games out now that are supposodly violent and WEAK. I want realistic gore. They should come out with a game that teaches you the pressure points of a human and teaches you how to torture him, reward points earns you new tools

OMG :| ... how about NO. Why would a game tell people how to inflict more pain on others?

Feb 9, 2005, 07:28 PM	#1
The Ender The Last of the Eld Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	Violence in Video Games Hey I'm writing a research paper in English about violence in video games, if you could post and just tell me 1) Are you a gamer? 2) Your gender 3) Your feelings about violence in video games. Thanks for your time. __________________ "I'm not chaotic evil, I'm chaotic practical." -Asus K8V SE Deluxe K8T800 Mobo -AMD 3200+ 64-bit Processor -1024 MB Kingston HyperX RAM (PC4000) -ATI 256MB X800XL AGP 8x -Western Digital 300GB HD 7200 RPM -Western Digital 250GB HD 7200 RPM -SoundBlaster Audigy2 ZS -Lite-On 16x DVDROM -Norcent 52x24x52 CD-RW -Antec True 550 Power Supply -Windows XP Home

Feb 9, 2005, 07:34 PM	#2
MythicaL Genuine coding face below Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: My home, of course Posts: 3,116 Rep Power: 52 System Specs	Yes, male, and people criticize video games and their 'violent' nature all the time. Well I say screw them... __________________ Always knew I didn't belong in this world. I wasn't made for this. But I'll never forget those who betrayed me, and those who never failed my trust.

Feb 9, 2005, 08:33 PM	#4
CaptinSxb DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Good Ol' U.S. of A. Posts: 404 Rep Power: 0	yes male if violence affected people the way some seem to think dont you think the millions that play cs halo2 gta and Ut would go into school/work and get multikills every day? neon was right, its just an excuse for people to get off of charges __________________ A64-3200; x800xl; a couple other things ; and a floppy drive

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CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 21,848 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	1. yes 2. male 3. violence in video games is overated. All them old farts in congress or wherever they come from need to take a chill pill. __________________ CD's Corner // Her first day // A year later // RX-8 Club 3Dmark06 - 4176 // 3Dmark05 - 7459 // 3Dmark03 - 14289 // PCmark05 - 4453 // PCmark04 - 6297

Feb 10, 2005, 02:00 AM	#11
Callandor DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Canada Posts: 4,235 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	1-Yes 2-Xtreme gamer 3-What violence? I don't think there's any violence in games, it's just a bunch sweet of pixels moving about the screen that give us a sense of joy that is unexplained and which enroach our lives like like the black plague. Games are about as violent as the Teletubies or Barney the Dinosaur. If you ask me, the so called "violence" in games can easily be differentiated from the real world violence and televsion viloence. If I were to shoot a person in the head in a game, or say run over them and squish em in a car as you would in GTA, that would not look even a fraction as bad as if I were to do it in real life or see it being done to someone on the eveing news on T.V. Violence in games is nothing but a myth if you ask me. edit: Oh, & btw, I'm one hundred and ten percent male. __________________ Last edited by Callandor; Feb 10, 2005 at 08:20 AM.

Feb 9, 2005, 09:05 PM	#5
Koolaid DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	1. Yes 2. Male 3. Here is my take on it. I have been gaming since back when Zork and Kings Quest and Wizardry were the only commercial games on the shelf. If you wanted better you had to code it yourself from the magazines you bought. When Doom, Quake, Hexin, and all the other games that you could even begin to call violent came out. It was really refreshing more than anything else. I would have to agree some games I would not let my kids play (Postal and Postal 2 come to mind). I think that if you raise responsible children and you teach them right from wrong, you should not have a problem allowing them to play Violent type games without having to worry about whether they are going to go out and buy a machete' and hack someone down off the street. I feel: If the person is claiming they killed or hurt someone because of a video game- 1. I think that person was violent before playing the video game and they are just looking for something to get them off being convicted or the death penalty. violent people are just looking to blame anything or anyone else but themselves. Granted, for an already violent person, giving them ideas (by playing violent video games) is probably not a good idea. But like I said, I do not think it makes a normal non violent person become violent. If the person is claiming that they feel video games makes you violent- 1. I think that is just a bunch of total nonsense and that person has too much time on thier hands to putting the blame on video games for causing violence. ___ On a side note, my 4 year old son used to play serious sam quite a bit. ( I would change the blood to be flowers in the control panel so it didn't look gruesome ) And my son now 6 is far from violent. However, I would definately not let him watch me play Postal or Postal 2 .. or play it himself. just my 2 cents

Feb 9, 2005, 09:34 PM	#6
Dark Lord DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,581 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	male avid gamer like neon said, the violence is no worse in games then it is in tv/movies/internet. i think it was george carlin that said "Computer games don't affect kids. I mean, if Pac Man affected us kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."

Feb 9, 2005, 11:59 PM	#9
MSX Burning the frozen... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,202 Rep Power: 0	... No offense but, your better off not touching this issue. There has been no recorded link between violent people and video games by psychologists aside from they like to transfer the blame them. But, as you wish. I wouldn't go as far to call everyone here rational human beings but there's little flaming, and in general trolls are few and far in between. Just stated from that fact, and that I imagine all of us in the gaming forum at least share a passive interest in the media, that violence in video games is tolerable. Were all reasonably sane here. Thats the only conclusion you can make for sure. That, and gamers are most predominately male. However you don't need a survey to determine that. Games are designed to appeal to male audiences. Games that are overly violent are generally avoided. Thats why we don't have video games where you can, lets say for instance disembowel someone. Even one of the most realistically violent video games series: SOF is still fairly cartoon and does not relate to the real world at all. Suffice to say that you won't have any trouble distinguishing it from reality. If people have that problem you would not want them running free now would you? The person is obviously less than sane. This happens with all sorts of media and is generally not common. These people would be institutionalized, not sent to prison. Prisoners seem to like to transfer blame. Movies, for instance, have been accused of "corrupting" people since the 60's and now they're no longer a hot topic. I imagine video games will take the same route. Video games are just the new scapegoat for our generation. Games will have blame cast onto them till stupid people find a bigger, badder, more popular thing to transfer the product of their stupidity onto. Thus I mirror what was said above for the most part. I just hope I added a little insight.

Feb 10, 2005, 04:18 AM	#12
md5 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inside DriverHeaven Posts: 856 Rep Power: 32	1- yes 2- male 3- they're moving pixels, so I don't really mind. TV has a lot more violence than video games, and half of the time it's real... In real life, I wouldn't even dream of doing what I do in video games. I don't believe in violence, unless of course I'm attacked __________________

Feb 10, 2005, 06:06 AM	#13
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 328 Rep Power: 0	1. Yes 2. Male 3. Yes, there are games with a lot of violence, but there are games without. Just as there are other forms of media with and without violence. Having played video games for the past 20 years, I can honestly, say that they haven't caused me to kill, maim, or injure anyone. For me it's entertainment. I find the computer more interesting than the television because it allows for interaction with my entertainment environment. __________________

Feb 10, 2005, 08:02 AM	#15
Frodo301 Outraged Join Date: May 2002 Location: The mountains Posts: 585 Rep Power: 0	Yes, male, and another older gamer that remebers the hey days of Infocom games (Zork, Hitchiker's Guide). IMHO there is more realistic violence that is veiwed daily around the world on CNN, FoxNews, and the other various international and local news. Murder, rape, war, famine, we've got it all here, brought to you by newsreporters on the front lines 24 hours a day. And people are complaining about the level of violence in games, pleeeeze. Isn't this what the ratings on the front of the box are there for? People need to stop blaming everything they feel is a threat, wheather it be movies, rock and roll or video games and take responbility as a parent. end of rant, off to play CS now __________________ The greatest thing you'll every learn is to love, and be loved in return.

Feb 10, 2005, 08:10 AM	#16
bake15 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wigan,UK Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0	1-yes 2-male 3-the more the better and no i have never killed,raped or hurt anyone after playing a game(broke a few gamepads though)

Feb 10, 2005, 08:23 AM	#17
Logla DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,310 Rep Power: 48	1. Yes 2. Male 3. Doesn't bother me too much unless its over the top gore. Manhunt for example seemed totally over the top and I reckon the game could have been made better if they hadn't concentrated on the gore factor as much. Games like HL2 and Farcry which have me running around with big guns shooting people dont bother me at all.

Feb 10, 2005, 09:09 AM	#19
Ubergrendle Semper ubi sub ubi Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 704 Rep Power: 0	video games & violence Two things: 1) Correlation does not imply causation. Just because kids at Columbine played Doom incesantly does not imply that Doom contributed to their deranged state. Its much more likely they sought out products (e.g. like guns?) that fulfilled their fantasies. 2) Video games are at the peak of violence in their history -- better graphics, more adult content, more realism. However, society on the whole (north america) is experiencing 30 year lows for violent crime. There is simply no proven pscychological or sociological effect of violent cartoons or violent videogames on the society aggregate at large. __________________ A use a computer to connect to the intertubes.

Feb 10, 2005, 10:18 AM	#21
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek? Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 2,222 Rep Power: 83 System Specs	1. Yes 2. Male 3. Anyone that thinks that 'gaming' is a cause of violence, is delusional, or just looking an excuse to blame anyone or anything other than the individual that comitted the violence. When I was a kid, we had cap pistols the looked like the real thing, toy guns that shot plastic bullets, bows and arrows with suction cups on the arrows that we shot at each other. Our play was just as 'violent' as the video games of today, and everyone (even the adults) saw it as 'normal', and nothing to worry about. This was in the late 40's thru the early 60's. At that time guns weren't banned from schools, and in hunting season, a lot of the older kids brought their rifles and/or shotguns to school so they could go hunting after school was finished for the day. There were no 'school shootings', and other violence that we see in schools today. The reason, I think, is that there was DISCIPLINE in schools just as there was at home. I don't mean 'time out' or suspension, like we see today...it was genuine, old fashened spanking, and if you got one at school, you could damn well expect one at home too, just because you got one at school. You were expected to behave, and if you didn't, there was no excuse. You caused it, you paid for it. No one looked for a reason to 'blame' your behavior on. When I was in highschool, we had a rifle team, and had meets with other schools. No one got hurt, and if anything we were safer, because we knew what firearms did, we knew how they worked and how to handle them safely. It wasn't until the late 60's that things started getting out of hand, and it started when the 'liberal touchy-feely' people started to dominate the education and 'social services' fields. Since then, discipline in schools has decreased, followed by an almost 'state mandated' reduction of discipline at home. Now, if you spank a kid you are looked on as a 'monster' and surely YOU are the cause of his mis-behavior. These people would have you think that corporal discipline, or other outside influences such as realistic toy guns, violent TV shows, violent cartoons, violent video games, and the like are the cause of problems. I find it odd then, that the generation that grew up with at least the first three of those is the generation that won WWII, put a man on the moon, and started the technical revolution that continues today. If those 'games' and corporal discipline were so bad, and then why weren't we effected? __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Feb 10, 2005, 11:56 AM	#22
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	1 - Yes 2 - Male 3 - Violent video games make a decent vent point and are a great source of non-destructive anger management, in my book.

Feb 10, 2005, 06:22 PM	#23
The Ender The Last of the Eld Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	In response to MSX, I'm not trying to prove anything. We're merely writing a paper about a controversial issue, and instead of trying to prove something, we're just to give the different groups arguing and what their main arguments are. __________________ "I'm not chaotic evil, I'm chaotic practical." -Asus K8V SE Deluxe K8T800 Mobo -AMD 3200+ 64-bit Processor -1024 MB Kingston HyperX RAM (PC4000) -ATI 256MB X800XL AGP 8x -Western Digital 300GB HD 7200 RPM -Western Digital 250GB HD 7200 RPM -SoundBlaster Audigy2 ZS -Lite-On 16x DVDROM -Norcent 52x24x52 CD-RW -Antec True 550 Power Supply -Windows XP Home

Feb 11, 2005, 01:13 AM	#24
MSX Burning the frozen... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,202 Rep Power: 0	And I stated how the debate is silly and held up by people's stupidity and willingness to blame anything but themselves. I really need to work on my people skills sometime... Or just be more to the point.

Feb 11, 2005, 01:49 AM	#26
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 18,134 Rep Power: 130	violence is more than "one" violin....LOL __________________ The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the scythe.

Feb 11, 2005, 02:38 AM	#27
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,780 Rep Power: 47	1) Yes 2) Male 3) I've always loved violent games, and was kinda violent as a child but I have become really passive. I've done my best to avoid fights, even took a hit and brushed it off so that things wouldn't escalate. I didn't go home and pretend to hurt the guy who hit me because he weighed like 105 pounds and was a little Asian on a power trip lol. You just have to instill what is right and what is wrong in a person during their upbringing, if they don't know the difference, then it's your fault as a parent.

Feb 14, 2005, 12:34 AM	#29
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,682 Rep Power: 0	1. YES!!! 2. Male... 3. Violence, what violence, mabye its just me but i would like to see more blood, guts, brains, nudity and horror in games. Manhunt wasnt gory at all, it was just plain crap. The games out now that are supposodly violent and WEAK. I want realistic gore. They should come out with a game that teaches you the pressure points of a human and teaches you how to torture him, reward points earns you new tools. Could be a training tool for Military and "terrorists". (dont spam me) __________________ new sig comming soon