comp_ali

I've come through two nice articles related to PC gaming and Multiplayer dedicated servers which dropped in some upcoming games like CoD MWII

Are developers killing PC gaming? - StrafeRight Forums

Why Dedicated Servers in MW2 is Important to PC Gamers?

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Al_Vampyre

I hardly ever play multiplayer except on a LAN so the single player experience is what its about for me

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ET3D

Same here. I understand the point, though. It'd be interesting to know what percentage of PC hardcore gamers care about this.

On second thought, IMO not allowing mods would really be an issue.

BlueMak

I play 2 games against other humans. WinSPMBT (PBEM) and C&C Renegade. That's it.
I couldn't care less about CoDMW2 online capabilities or servers issues. If the decide to release a game that is longer than 4-6 hours for single player (and that if you are slow and methodical), I will start worrying....
In fact, I am not worried at all. As long as there are excellent PC developers and publishers like Bethesda, Bioware, EA (in its own retarded way), Stardock, Shrapnel, MatrixGames, Paradox Inderactive, Ubisoft and Activision (with their own problematic behaviour), etc many more, I am not worried at all. They will all continue make games for PCs because they get money for them.

Online capabilities and games in general are nice to have, and many people play mostly multiplayer games, but while they are the majority of people screaming in forums, they are a small minority out of all the PC (and console I would guess) gamers out there. They are just louder.
I don't want to sound like an ass (actually I don't care if I do), but all these whiners instead of bitching, if they would just not buy the game(s) that don't have the features they want and write a polite email to the publisher, then perhaps they would achieve something.
But I think you know what will happen with CoDMW2, people will actually buy the game on release, by the hundrends of thousands if not more.
As a customer you only matter when you vote with your money.
If you still buy it, or as I suspect for many cases, you bitch (I am not saying about the specific people, but in general) about the lack of dedicated servers because that means it is going to be more difficult to play with illegal copies, then who cares.

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OmegaRED

I can't believe that MW2 is not going to have dedicated servers. It is impossible to have clan gaming or competitive matches without the ability to host a private server and administer it. I know that CoD4 was huge in the PC gaming community and all the competitive gamers I used to play with it are playing it or World At War. There might as well not be a PC multiplayer option if there's no dedicated servers...the game is dead on arrival. I would even go as far as to say more than half of the people who buy MW2 will do so because of the cd-key checks for playing online and now they've got even less of a reason to buy the game instead of pirate it. Stupid move Infinity Ward!

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BlueMak

Only that not as many will play or pirate it since they won't be able to host private servers.
I am almost certain that the game will sell fewer copies than CoD4, but not that it will be because of piracy.

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SeraphicSorcerer

But they'll blame it on piracy.

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BlueMak

If they could they would blame cancer on piracy.

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SeraphicSorcerer

I already do... ARRRRGGGHHHH!

Damn you Johnny Depp. hehe

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Mousey

LOL nice. It's not piracy that's killing PC Gaming, it's not even crap games or poorly designed ones. It's not even bad ports like Devil May Cry 4 *Shiver*.
And i'm sure you can agree with me when i say it's ng DRM.

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comp_ali

DRM first then crap porting , how do you expect people to pay for a game that's a stupid port from console to PC.

Good games that are designed with less DRM and coded to fit nicely the PC platform are selling well even if they were considered as not hardcore games like Plants vs Zombies and World of Goo.

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comp_ali

Regarding crap ports , have anyone tried Fifa 10 on both consoles and PC ?

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Callandor

Whether or not it was DRM, pirating, crappy games, the intimidating nature of PC gaming versus console gaming or the profitability of console games over PC games which was in fact caused by all the other factors joining up together that killed PC gaming, the fact of the matter is gaming is gaming and if you want to enjoy gaming in its true completeness these days, you have to game on at least a variety of different systems, otherwise you can't really enjoy all the gaming world has to offer today in its entirety.

I don't know, as a retired PC gamer and now occasional PS3 gamer I think its interesting, I actually used to be a PC game fanboy now that I look back on it and the fact of the matter is now and has always been I was actually afraid of console games cause I sucked at them due to my uncanny nature with a gamepad. That's not to say I didn't game on any console systems when I was a kid, ironically that's where mine and alot of people's gaming careers started, but somewhere along the way I lost it and by the time the PS2 was out just couldn't seem to get it back although I tried , lord knows I tried what with all those crusing defeats at friends houses and parties and stuff.

But I am improving and play on the weekends sometimes when I have time, its actually fun playing on consoles once you get used to it, not worrying about graphics settings at the beginning of a game (though I still go into the options menu always out of habit the first time I play any game) and the idea of just buying a cheap console and then buying games afterwards for it and returning the games for credit even when you're done with them to put towards new games or if you don't like them means the value of console games is a little higher than PC games but again that's something caused by the market and how people are into consoles more than PCs and there are places I'm sure that'll still accept PC games but its not at all a bad experience gaming on console in the end.

For all the PC fanboys out there who are afraid of consoles, cow, charm quark yes I'm talking to you get into it it aint so bad once you get used to it.

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dawgXdenta

@ Callandor Traitor in our ranks .
I agree that damn joypad is intimidating. I played the Tekken ,dragonballZ games, and the wrestling games...They were fun. But I just couldnt get into Shoot em ups using a console , WASD is king there.
I admit there are some things a keyboard just aint good at.

Gaming has taken a backseat to life nowadays.....

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CitySlicker

Network gaming is a big problem especially in Asia where addiction levels are enormous. Enormous too is the network traffic generated due to this.

On the other hand the gaming industry has run out of ideas and creativity - Crysis.. a flop, Far Cry 2..same genre a flop... and many other flops too. It's all about Bang Bang and war fighting. Anything else?..not much

Obvious to me gaming popularity is dying or will move to consoles.

amen

dawgXdenta

@ CitySlicker will PC gaming die out totally and move to consoles as you say, I dont think so I think it will evolve as big execs start catering for the needs of the gamers rather than just releasing regurgitated mainstream titles with recycled gameplay.

Innovation is not easy but as technology keeps pushing the envelope so will what developers will be capable of doing also improve.
Therefore providing different gaming experience.
The PC is still King in terms of flexibility and performance.
All that remains to be seen is whether developers can adapt to gamers needs

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Cow_160483

Your treachery shall not be forgiven i will be PC gaming untill the end of time a console has no place in my heart . I will never get used to the joystick especially for FPS's as dawgX said WASD and a mouse is the only way

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YAYitsAndrew

The only thing PC still does better than consoles is FPS, RTS, and MMO, because the mouse and keyboard are the perfect input device for those kinds of games. The consoles do a great job at bringing every other genre to the player without any of the headache or cost of maintaining a gaming PC. I spent 3 hours yesterday finding ports to forward so I could play Borderlands with my friends. I'd still rather do that than play an FPS with a controller but I wouldn't say the same about an RPG or mario game.

There isn't single player content in MMOs and there hasn't been challenging single player content in an FPS or RTS in many years. One human opponent will always get your adrenaline running way more than a swarm of bots whose AI you're fully versed in exploiting does. For people who think like this, PC gaming is all about the multiplayer aspect. Any developer who doesn't get this be it through forcing console multiplayer limitations on PC games or requiring users to jump through hoops just to get a multiplayer game going (routers and firewall configurations) definitely deserves the backfire from the community.

I don't think we are anywhere near the death of PC gaming, though. Nancy Drew and Popcap aren't going anywhere. Proven franchises like CoD who fail to identify what it is their customers want will fall. Their failure won't be copied by other developers and PC gaming will live on for just that reason.

If you're looking for something to blame for the decline of PC gaming, just pick on consoles making gaming more accessible. It's the most obvious and least arguable contributor. If you want to know why even previously dedicated PC developers are changing their ways, ask what's been affecting their bottom line on PC sales. Lots of reasons make the platform look unattractive.

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BlueMak

Also turn based strategy games and wargames. Wargames in particular do not even exist on consoles yet.

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Dybdal

I dont think pc gaming will die.. Or at least i hope so.

One of the reason i dont think the pc gaming will die, is the opportunities to tweek things in your own way, Not 2 computers are the same (or at least not after they have been used. But you can find lots and lots of identical consoles.

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