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Old May 7, 2008, 05:39 AM   #16 (permalink)
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i generally dont pay for games .. simple reason (and this is the god honest truth) is that the games cost 40-50 euros in a country where the ppl earn 150 euros a month.

Now imagine you having been payed 150$ at the end of the month going off and buying a 50$ game .. What about food ? What about paying the bills ? No ill better be honest and buy a game and not eat for a month so i can play it .. i mean this just doesent work.

Like that guy from India said about games costing 50$ in India is the equivalent 1500$ in the US that just isnt rite .. i wonder if any of you would pay 1500$ for a game or just download it for free.

Most of the pirating is done is countries that have a lower standard than that of the USA or EU and only for the simple reason that the ratio of a pay check of an average guy and the price of the game has not been considered.

You cant charge 50$ for a game in USA and charge the same for the game in India coz im guesing you would then have to work for 3 months without spending a cent just to buy a game ..

My main reason is price . If a game costs 5$ id buy it, hell its faster then downloading 8GBs, but giving away half my pay check on a game is just insane.
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Old May 7, 2008, 09:30 AM   #17 (permalink)
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i generally dont pay for games .. simple reason (and this is the god honest truth) is that the games cost 40-50 euros in a country where the ppl earn 150 euros a month.

Now imagine you having been payed 150$ at the end of the month going off and buying a 50$ game .. What about food ? What about paying the bills ? No ill better be honest and buy a game and not eat for a month so i can play it .. i mean this just doesent work.

Like that guy from India said about games costing 50$ in India is the equivalent 1500$ in the US that just isnt rite .. i wonder if any of you would pay 1500$ for a game or just download it for free.

Most of the pirating is done is countries that have a lower standard than that of the USA or EU and only for the simple reason that the ratio of a pay check of an average guy and the price of the game has not been considered.

You cant charge 50$ for a game in USA and charge the same for the game in India coz im guesing you would then have to work for 3 months without spending a cent just to buy a game ..

My main reason is price . If a game costs 5$ id buy it, hell its faster then downloading 8GBs, but giving away half my pay check on a game is just insane.
Still doesn't justify it. If you cant afford something then you go without. I earn £2200 a month, so i can't afford an Aston Martin DB9, doesn't mean i'm entitled to go out and steal one
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Old May 7, 2008, 11:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Well then only the USA and EU would be playing games and everyone else would look at a nice piece of wall all day long ..

I didnt even try to justify it i just stated my reasons and thats it.

You say you are makeing 2200 a month where ever you live and thats probably good money over there but its just as much as 150e here.
Now imagine that a game was to cost 1500$ would you buy it ? Honestly ? I dont think so.


Thats all coz games are made in the US mostly and thats their primary market so they charge just as much here as they do there. If they were made here for our market they would cost 5$ or maybe even less.

You are looking at this issue from you point of view and dont see the big picture and dont even try to understand what others that pirate coz of the price are talking about but again imagine that a game costs 1500$ and place your self in a position of buying it .. man more than half of your pay is gone on a single game that youll play for 15 hours and than its worthless.

Its not like money here doesent have any buying power i can buy hardware pay the bills and everything i need & want and have enough left to have fun all month with the cash coz the prices are low but this problem with games has not been settled in any way .. i know this is a transitional coutry and things will get better but for now piracy is the way to go .. even the goverment and everyone uses pirated versions on windows why the hell shouldnt i ? Its even easier i install vista no serial needed no activation needed just install and play on.

Again i didnt try to justify it i just stated my reasons as did everyone else here. I know someone put in hours and hours of work every day to make the software but in the end its like do i give back my 8800GT 512MB and pay up another 50e for a 8800GTS 512MB or do i buy a game ? hm.. not a very hard decision if you ask me.

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Still doesn't justify it. If you cant afford something then you go without. I earn £2200 a month, so i can't afford an Aston Martin DB9, doesn't mean i'm entitled to go out and steal one
Sure your not entitled to go out and steal one but you can if you choose to and the fact that there is noone to stop you and noone to chase you and track you down only makes it easier. Again im not talking about whos entitled to do what or what is rite and what is wrong i just came out and honestly said why i do the things i do .. And i dont think im entitled to pirate a game. Who is entitled to do what is not the subject of this thread nor my post nor did i ask/seek your approval for anything and i dont think game publishers/creators should in any way approve of pirating for any reason.
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Old May 8, 2008, 09:40 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Piracy is theft. Fact.

Its up to the individual as the wether they want to be a thief or not.


Oh and keep this in mind, your still a thief even if your the only one that knows you stole somthing.

(this post is in general and not aimed at anyone)
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Old May 9, 2008, 01:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Still doesn't justify it. If you cant afford something then you go without. I earn £2200 a month, so i can't afford an Aston Martin DB9, doesn't mean i'm entitled to go out and steal one
Agreed. I never pirate games anymore. I do not buy a ton of games generally because I can't afford to. But I don't go out and download it either.

Piracy is killing this industry as most of you can see. A few years ago we had tons of games that were PC exclusive. Now almost all games are console ports, and lousy ones at that. Then we have the nerve to complain on how bad the port was. Well if more people would actually pay for the game, maybe the studios would be willing to spend more time and money to make a better version for PC.
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Old May 9, 2008, 05:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I earn £13.50 a week, sometimes £18 or more with tips or bonuses for working hard which i don't always get because my boss is usually too busy to work out tips for me (I got some tips this week because the girl i was working with, Lauren was generous enough to share with me). The only place i can get games cheap enough now is usually steam.
Since games are getting bigger i honestly can't be arsed pirating them anymore, 6gb to try bioshock? no thank you :\
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Old May 10, 2008, 02:07 AM   #22 (permalink)
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not black and white..... duh

I buy most PC games I have ever played. I enjoy supporting the PC gaming industry, especially when the games are well made and deserving of every bit of profit they get.

Sometimes I download games I would never buy in a million years because of the quality of game development, final product (or lack-thereof), a genre I am uninterested in, etc... just to check them out. I haven't in a long time though; nothing seems worth the time to even do that. I either buy it, or don't play it.

IMO downloading software is not "stealing" if you were never going to buy it in the first place. Some people refuse to concede this point, but it doesn't matter, that's the way it is.

There is no way to compare software to a car, pack of cigarettes, food, or any other tangible physical object unless that object can be copied for free infinitely until the end of time. Think about it, it's not like if you download a hack-job copy of a game that there are any fewer legit copies on the shelves to sell to legitimate customers. There is no relationship to the two. Plus, if you download software, you do not get the physical object you get when you buy it- You also take risks by installing some hack-job software(possible virus infected, etc), you do not get the LEGAL rights to use it, nor do you get the physical package --- the actual THING you buy when you buy the retail game. You take risks downloading, and you CAN get caught.. People DO get caught and prosecuted all the time. The chances are low of course, but they are real.

I also tip at least 20% of the bill every time I go out to eat or get food delivered.. it is the honor system, just like if "real life". People can probably get away with a lot of theft in the real world if they wanted to, some people do- most do not even think about it. Why does every company have loss-prevention? Why do people who actually pay their medical bills pay higher costs because of dead beats that never pay? It's because the service or physical object they are buying has value and is in limited supply, one way or the other, not like a bunch of copied series of "1's and 0's" floating around on the internet that has no value in and of itself, other than the electricity needed to send them from one place to another.

Downloading software that you would never buy anyway is not a black and white issue, anyone who thinks that way obviously is not thinking things through all the way and are just as polarizing as the people who try to rationalize downloading every single piece of software they ever use without paying for any of it, just because they can.

The worst people are the ones who make physical copies of games and software and sell them on street corners, virtual or otherwise.. They are the ones that are hurting the game devs, the software devs, and they are usually in countries other than the US or other developed countries where the profits would be going. China anyone? Hell, they copy actual physical products and try to pass them off as real.. Hasn’t anyone ever watched a documentary or news program or read an article on the rampant fraud going on in that country alone?

No, the problem is not some guy downloading a game he would have never bought in the first place; it is organized fraud and counterfeiting going on in mass factories all over the world for profit. Think people. Think. It's obvious who the real bad guys are. It isn't the people spending their hard earned money on overly priced PC hardware and sometimes sampling a crappy game downloaded form the internet he never would have bought anyway.
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