BlueMak

If they are in it for anything else in addition to money, it doesn't matter, it is just extra.

What I find amusing is how none of these have anything to do with the fact you are breaking the law and no amount of excuses, plans or plain old trolling will stop it.
As for your problems with OSes, that's a joke, right?

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YAYitsAndrew

I think people need to be more careful with their expensive purchases? We've all made ones we regret, it's called buyer's remorse. If you don't have the money to make a purchase then you have to make do without it, that's the hard truth. This makes perfect sense with any tangible object like food, cars, or electronics. Why is it different with software again? That's another question I'd like to hear answered.

As for windows bashing, if windows licenses are so expensive why do you need the new versions? The old ones still work just fine. Windows XP, Vista Business, and Leopard are all similarly priced, so I don't see how windows can be considered expensive. Operating systems are expensive pieces of software. There are free ones (*nix) but with those you tend to get what you pay for. Linux is free if your time is worth nothing.

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RSOblivion

The buyer beware rule wear's thin for me. I am tbh fed up with people saying that its the buyers right to be taken for a ride. With cars you take them for a test drive at the dealership, or when looking at a second hand car. If you can't drive it first you are a fool to buy it. Food is a little bit harder, but if you go to a good restaurant you don't expect to regurgitate your meal before you go home. If you do chances are you'll get a refund anyway. With all purchases under the current legal system in UK, US and Australia you have a 30 day unlimited liability refund. Some places ask you to waive that right (EB/GAME etc...) but you are under no obligation to do so. SO how may I ask is testing a full game before you buy it wrong then? Most of the time now you are paying for a CD-Key rather than the game as that is what unlocks the legitimate online/levels/whatever.

As for Microsoft OS's I can give you a tool that can change XP from Home edition to Pro to Server and back again. There are some slightly different additional components in Server but not many and all are freely downloadable from MS anyway. To say they are not the same OS is pretty naive. Server is the fastest and most stable version. XP Pro x64 is literally a renamed Server 2003 x64. Even uses the same service pack. Server 2008 is almost identical to Vista except it went through Q&A properly resulting in less errors. Vista now has less errors since SP1 was released but it still has the pesky DRM and other shit messing it up. In Server 2008 no such problem.

As for paying for it well the only one I would be willing to shell out for is server, but then only at the price of XP Pro as its a rip off at that anyway. However that ain't gonna happen, so I am gonna be happy for free anyway. Linux is ok, but again its a hardcore OS you need to learn to use. I cbf learning that at the moment so I'll stick with Server 2008. I used to use Server 2003 in place of XP for the last 4 years. Only reinstalled once. Ran smoothly the whole time with only Photoshop CS3 giving me gip for installation (oh and the really amusing no SLI issue which turned out to be just a registry switch! Thanks for nothing nVidia).

Hmm I seem to have strayed off on tangents from the original topic of the fallacy of piracy in the gaming industry. Ah well the points were valid though. Oh and by the way if you want piracy have a look at the banking industry before calling on the gaming industry. Why when they are showing record profits and assets do they feel the need to raise interest rate for instance? Oh and that sub-prime mortgage malarky well that has an amusing dark side too. How many of the mortgages are actually legal? Well now come to think of it probably less than 5%. Mainly because the banks are removing their liablility so much they are no longer a party to the contract. But thats a whole different discussion

BlueMak

Come to ask me for money and I will give with with 20% interest.

If I had any money that is.

Interesting your posts seem to resemble more communist propaganda than any valid arguments about game piracy.

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YAYitsAndrew

If you trade me a book I'll give you some toilet paper and bread.

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RSOblivion

Why do you say communist propaganda? I just dislike the capatalistic crap that has infested western culture. UK, USA and Australia are the worst culprits, closely followed by Canada and the rest of Western Europe. That isn't saying that China or Russia are better in any way shape or form. If fact they are in a worse situation for different reasons. China is fast becoming a Military Democracy with Communism overiding any decision. Seeing as I haven't shown a pro-whatever stance and just pointed out the errors of the military democracies of 1st world countries I would love to know how you come to the conclusion I am spouting communist propaganda.

BlueMak

LOL

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dj_stick

I don't know where you pulled that from, but in AU, which I believe closely mimics the US copyright law, games, software, music, videos, and other easily copied media cannot be returned without either proof of fault, or proof that the media wasn't used in any way.

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Cow_160483

Well when i started reading this thread i was under the opinion that piracy was wrong and well RSOblivion has swayed my mind that this topic is not so black and white as we would like it to be. I have bought a lot of games and half of them dont work like they should while the other half did not deserve the asking price so am pissed.
I guess in some instances it would be advisable to rather get a pirated game than fork out a shit load of money and to hell with the consequences. Thats my new opinion so dont Crucify me !

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Mousey

Moo...

Just thought i'd chuck that in there, yeah i agree with your opinion

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Markius

they have a "test drive" for games, its called a Demo or if there is no demo for the game your after you can read a review.

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Mousey

If there's an official demo out i go download it and see what i think. If there isn't i'll look into aquiring the game elsewhere :/
But normally if i like the demo i buy the full game

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Markius

another option is rental.
there is just no excuse for theft. period.

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YAYitsAndrew

This is a great point for console games. I love to hear all the pirates squirm their way out of rental. Almost every argument they have against renting first has been made obsolete by gamefly. If you rent the game through them and decide you want to buy it they actually sell it to you for a reduced price, for example. So you're out nothing for trying it.

No one in the world will rent you a PC game though.

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RSOblivion

That is very true for console games, but one question. Why do you pay 10-50% more for console games than for PC Games which are stupidly overpriced anyway? Well they are here at least, in the UK its a little different, where PC games are still in the 30-45quid braket whereas they are closer to the $100 mark here. Console games are anywhere from $110 to $150 over here (UK they touch up the 90quid mark) so why the discrepancy for a game that is cheaper to design for a single system spec? When released on multiple platforms it has price differences between the platforms, again with PC being the cheapest for the harder version to code (bar PS3 coding which is just bullshit!). Then you see why the pirates hit the consoles a bit. Hey they may rent it, but whats to stop the rental becoming their copy. Most games can be copied on specific drives/media for consoles now. The exception being Blu-Ray which is still hard to copy properly.

That all depends on who is the theif...

Common definitions make the end user the theif. But when you look at it from a different perspective you can see the corporations are very close if not well into being the theif themselves, with the unknowing public as the victims. But not everyone can see that side. For instance if you go to court you expect to have to pay heavy wads of cash to a solicitor/lawyer/barrister, and then you have a 50% chance of getting off, depending on that solicitor/lawyer/barrister's recent win/loss ratio. Not many peeps would like to believe that is the case but it is. There are other ways, and they don't involve an overpaid fool who doesn't understand the system. That way why should you have to pay thousands of pounds/dollars to a guy who is already paid to do his job by the court and whose first allegiance is to the court rather than the client. Now who is the conman/confidence trickster/theif...