The "piracy as demo" fallacy - Page 3

IEMC · May 27, 2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutality

Fuck you all, you anti-piracy pussies. Don't be such a whiny bitches! DIE!

The hell?

Mousey · May 27, 2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutality

Fuck you all, you anti-piracy pussies. Don't be such a whiny bitches! DIE!

lmfao to be honest i agree, this guy's got the right idea

I earn �13.50 a week right, it can get me the occasional game in a bargain bin or a bargain of ebay or amazon but tbh it's not really enough to get any new releases.

Saving up's fine i spose but when you've got a game sat there in a shop and you're dying to play it but you know you have to wait 4/5 weeks to get the cash it kinda gets a bit frustrating, at which point you hit a torrent site or w/e.

And when i've only got this much cash coming in i have to decide, do i buy a gamecard for WoW, a bargain game, go to leeds/skipton, go get drunk with my mates or do i save?

Make games cheaper and piracy's gonna lower, and actual store sales will increase. it's the plain and obvious truth..

Eitheir that or make digital downloads cheap as chips like some games on steam

BlueMak · May 27, 2008, 08:25 PM

I remember how before the digital downloads arrive, how everyone on publishers/whatever were saying how this will make games cheaper because there is no printing of manuals, no boxes, not even CD/DVDs, not even shop front etc etc. Guess what, they lied.
Case in point, the otherwise very good Gamersgate, game Y in the USA $29.99, in the EU at least 29.99 euros...plus, no box not anything.
But why is there piracy? more DRM MORE MORE!!!
idiots.

YAYitsAndrew · May 27, 2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

lmfao to be honest i agree, this guy's got the right idea

I earn �13.50 a week right, it can get me the occasional game in a bargain bin or a bargain of ebay or amazon but tbh it's not really enough to get any new releases.

Saving up's fine i spose but when you've got a game sat there in a shop and you're dying to play it but you know you have to wait 4/5 weeks to get the cash it kinda gets a bit frustrating, at which point you hit a torrent site or w/e.

Oh please, kids today! When I was little I was able to buy a game during my birthday when people gave me money. Other than that I started mowing lawns at 13 for money and then had a job at 15. I sometimes would save my allowances over a few weeks and even skimp on my lunches by not buying fries and other extras to collect the money for games.

That's just how it is as a kid. If you can't convince your folks to buy you a game or they can't afford it you have to take matters into your own hands. I remember to get Earthbound I had to take a loan from my grandma. I paid her back 10 dollars a week until I paid off my debt.

Never did it cross my mind to steal the games.

SFOSOK · May 27, 2008, 09:06 PM

I buy mine at the store, rip the cd's and keys out and throw away the artwork and box. If its a steam game then I register through them but never buy it online or download anything illegally.

OmegaRED · May 27, 2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

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And when i've only got this much cash coming in i have to decide, do i buy a gamecard for WoW, a bargain game, go to leeds/skipton, go get drunk with my mates or do i save?

Make games cheaper and piracy's gonna lower, and actual store sales will increase. it's the plain and obvious truth..

Eitheir that or make digital downloads cheap as chips like some games on steam

The answer is clearly to earn more money or find a new hobby. Game prices are fine, compared to other forms of entertainment. I don't often buy games but when I do they usually provide hundreds of hours of worth of value (BF2, MoH series etc).

Zelig · May 27, 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

I earn �13.50 a week right, it can get me the occasional game in a bargain bin or a bargain of ebay or amazon but tbh it's not really enough to get any new releases.

Saving up's fine i spose but when you've got a game sat there in a shop and you're dying to play it but you know you have to wait 4/5 weeks to get the cash it kinda gets a bit frustrating, at which point you hit a torrent site or w/e.

And when i've only got this much cash coming in i have to decide, do i buy a gamecard for WoW, a bargain game, go to leeds/skipton, go get drunk with my mates or do i save?

Make games cheaper and piracy's gonna lower, and actual store sales will increase. it's the plain and obvious truth..

Eitheir that or make digital downloads cheap as chips like some games on steam

I earn $1350 a week right, it can get me the occasional car from the used lot or a bargain of ebay but tbh it's not really enough to get any new nice sports cars.

Saving up's fine i spose but when you've got a sweet ride sat there in a shop and you're dying to drive it but you know you have to wait 4/5 years to get the cash it kinda gets a bit frustrating, at which point you hit a gang for a "hot" ride or w/e.

And when i've only got this much cash coming in i have to decide, do i buy a luxury credit card, a used Mustang, go to Cuba, go get drunk with some upscale escort service or do i save?

Make cars cheaper and piracy's gonna lower, and actual dealer sales will increase. it's the plain and obvious truth..

Eitheir that or make new cars cheap as chips like some cars on ebay

Zelig · May 27, 2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

You take risks downloading, and you CAN get caught.. People DO get caught and prosecuted all the time. The chances are low of course, but they are real.

Only in the US/UK.

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Originally Posted by BWX

I also tip at least 20% of the bill every time I go out to eat or get food delivered.. it is the honor system, just like if "real life".

I tip well, but I hate feeling obliged to give tips, so to give myself leniency, I tip bigger for good service, and less for poor service. What really bugs me are restauraunts where they automatically add a set percentage to your bill to count as a tip, whenever this happens, they never get any extra tips from me... just make the damn food more expensive.

Yeah, a little off topic.

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Originally Posted by BWX

No, the problem is not some guy downloading a game he would have never bought in the first place; it is organized fraud and counterfeiting going on in mass factories all over the world for profit. Think people. Think. It's obvious who the real bad guys are. It isn't the people spending their hard earned money on overly priced PC hardware and sometimes sampling a crappy game downloaded form the internet he never would have bought anyway.

I don't think it's so easy to separate people who download software/movies/music from those who buy illegit copies from the local market. The main difference between these two groups are technical ability, the average person has never used a torrent before, while on the other hand, any random person can purchase from a street vendor a movie that just came out in theatres for $5, to pop into their DVD player.

I think this is also part of the reason for the mass piracy of PC games. The audience for hardcore PC games are the exact same people who tend to have the knowledge to steal the games.

Cow_160483 · May 29, 2008, 04:35 AM

Ok this is what I have to say on the topic at hand. We can sing about it "till the cows come home" haha just a little humor, but the fact is that we all have to search our conscience and try to do the right thing which is: buying the dam games.
I mean come on people we all know steeling is wrong so why do it? Think of all the people who take the time to make these games do we want them to stop? here in Botswana

where not many people are hardcore gamers. its really hard to get good games

for PC's we have to drive really long distances (800km) to go to South Africa and buy the games we want but we still do so, SUCK IT UP and stop bringing down the whole industry by pirating and get the OG (original) shit.

Mousey · May 29, 2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

I earn $1350 a week right, it can get me the occasional car from the used lot or a bargain of ebay but tbh it's not really enough to get any new nice sports cars.

Saving up's fine i spose but when you've got a sweet ride sat there in a shop and you're dying to drive it but you know you have to wait 4/5 years to get the cash it kinda gets a bit frustrating, at which point you hit a gang for a "hot" ride or w/e.

And when i've only got this much cash coming in i have to decide, do i buy a luxury credit card, a used Mustang, go to Cuba, go get drunk with some upscale escort service or do i save?

Make cars cheaper and piracy's gonna lower, and actual dealer sales will increase. it's the plain and obvious truth.. Eitheir that or make new cars cheap as chips like some cars on ebay

Precisely

BWX · May 30, 2008, 12:27 AM

I am surprised this didn't get knocked into the FWZ.

BWX · May 30, 2008, 01:59 AM

Oh wait.. I AM as bad as this guy-

Mousey · May 30, 2008, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Oh wait.. I AM as bad as this guy-

that is fricken awesome

Callandor · May 30, 2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cow_160483

...hard to get good games for PC's we have to drive really long distances (800km) to go to South Africa and buy the games...

This isn't true, especially the 800 km part.

botswana - Google Maps

In fact the citizens of this country are probably more proud than South Africans themselves, South Africa has an unemployment rate of, what, 40-50% and an oppressive corrupt government that only steals from its people and has been doing so for the past 15 years, I'm not from Botswana or anything but having lived here (in Gaborone) for quite a while I feel an obligation to defend it. I'm surprised you can say this after what this country has done for you.