lets cut the crap, Intel, P3, P4 BLAH ALL SUCK ASS!!!!!!!!!

May 23, 2002, 12:25 PM

im getting sick reading the posts about how crap and unreliable AMD are.. I mean have any of you intel gerks ever actually used an AMD processor? I doubt it.

Those celerons are a waste of time, money and effort. the performance I would get from my casio watch is better. and reliability? all this marketing crap about Intel being more reliable than AMD is just plain Bullshit, Intel are UNRELIABLE!!!

I sold my last PIII chip and mobo because the whole thing was a pile of faeces. it would frequently lock out, stall, and the performance ... yes you guessed it .. was crap.

Intel should just keep sticking to boring middle of the range servers, for hard core gaming and home use, they suck ass. performance is abysmal. servers? well AMD have yet to get this market, but all in good time. many IT guys are boring middle aged farts who dont want to take a chance, and in time they will see, like us home users, that AMD are the best, fastest and most stable processor maker on the market.

so dont bore me with this INTEL has the edge on stability etc etc. blah blah.

Intel suck. and they are dying. everyone knows it .... even the people who own them. thats why they post stupid links to biased sites proclaiming some wonderful new benchmark on an overclocked P4 to 4Ghz. they need to overclock them to 4 ghz to compete with a 2100+ XP.

the P4 was a disaster, and intel hopefully in 5 years will be no longer with us. AMD need new competition, Intel should start making washing machines like zanussi. at least the processors could handle a spin cycle without maxxing out.

UberLord · May 23, 2002, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
Those celerons are a waste of time, money and effort. the performance I would get from my casio watch is better. and reliability? all this marketing crap about Intel being more reliable than AMD is just plain Bullshit, Intel are UNRELIABLE!!!

Celerons have a very good market in the laptop market due to their lower power cosumption and lower price. Business users - thats the market majority of laptop buyers - don't need ultra fast CPU's and ulta large on die caches in the CPU's. They want something thats relatively speedy without being a drain on the power. Celeron fits the bill nicely here. Can't really blame intel for selling it to clueless OEM's who put it into workstations now can we? Intel still make money, the OEM makes money and the plonker who bought it is still a plonker.

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I sold my last PIII chip and mobo because the whole thing was a pile of faeces. it would frequently lock out, stall, and the performance ... yes you guessed it .. was crap.

Actually I guessed that you have zero knowledge about setting up motherboards for the CPU or you purchased wrong components. Like a shoddy 180W PSU when the CPU + other bits require something in the 300W range. Another thing to remember is that crap mobo's seriously degrade performance - which knowing your habits so far is a good candidate along with zero technical abillity

May 23, 2002, 12:48 PM

actually the PC was built correctly with a more than adequate 250w power supply, unless all of a sudden a pentium III needs more. perhaps it does, and you being the expert moderator will correct me with your obvious hardware guru intelligence.

There have been alot of problems with intel boards and cpus, from the failed 1.13ghz cock ups and the POS overpriced boards they produce.

perhaps you should spend less time patronizing people on this forum and go to the intel forums and help the thousands of idiots like me who have had numerous issues with their products.

intel users dont like flaming, cause they know the processor they have is second rate

celerons btw? compare it to a duron, and it gets a hammering... oh yeah which leads me nicely to the next processor from AMD

UberLord · May 23, 2002, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
actually the PC was built correctly with a more than adequate 250w power supply, unless all of a sudden a pentium III needs more. perhaps it does, and you being the expert moderator will correct me with your obvious hardware guru intelligence.

I have no idea what the power consumption of the PIII range is. I simply use PII's and PIII's at work whislt I build AMD's at home.

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There have been alot of problems with intel boards and cpus, from the failed 1.13ghz **** ups and the POS overpriced boards they produce.

There have also been equal problems with AMD's - they are very prone to failure on arrival which is why most PC makers like Dell, HP + Compaq, IBM, etc use Intel. However, gamers like you and me want price and performace and go with AMD. I've bought around 6 AMD cpu's and I've had to return 3 because they were dead. Whereas I've bought around 7 intel CPU's and they've all worked.

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perhaps you should spend less time patronizing people on this forum and go to the intel forums and help the thousands of idiots like me who have had numerous issues with their products.

Only if you do likewise in the AMD forums

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intel users dont like flaming, cause they know the processor they have is second rate

Second rate compared to what? The AMD is very second rate to Intel processors in terms of power consumption and 3D features (AMD's don't use SSE2 atm)

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celerons btw? compare it to a duron, and it gets a hammering... oh yeah which leads me nicely to the next processor from AMD

Uh yeah. My laptop can load Word faster than yours. SO WHAT!!! I can't type any faster, I can't watch DVD's on the train any faster - and I'm sure has hell not going to play any games on it - (LCD refresh rate is waay to low for me). Celeron uses less power and produces less heat whilst only being marginally (not so you'ed notice) than Duron.

May 23, 2002, 01:09 PM

yeah you make some good points uberlord

im just sick of intel users dismissing AMD followers with the air of smugness that so often surrounds them. they have made alot of mistakes, and AMD are really showing them how to produce the goods lately.

Silentst2000 · May 23, 2002, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
AMD are really showing them how to produce the goods lately.

With their constant delays on tbred right?

Sure showed me.

brc64 · May 23, 2002, 05:57 PM

The only time I've ever had stability problems with my Intel processor was when I overclocked it without adding any additional cooling, and even then I didn't have problems until a couple months of continuous usage. Intel chipsets, in my experiences, are also incredibly stable. Show me one post where somebody is complaining about stability with an i815e chipset (what I'm using right now), and I'll show you five complaints regarding, say, a VIA KT266A chipset.

Truth be told, the majority of problems people have with both Intel and AMD can be traced back to the user. Just because AMD processors perform better and are less expensive doesn't mean Intel products suck. They are good enough to keep up with today's applications. You know what sucks? The AMD K6 series. I had a 500 MHz K6-2 that performed only slightly better than my 166 MHz Pentium notebook with 1/4 the RAM. Now that was a crappy CPU.

I will agree that the P4 sucks, though. I never really liked them. They're getting much better now, though, so I may need to change my opinion. My next system will probably be an AMD one, but it will be a long time before that happens. My next upgrade will be a P3 because an AMD system would cost too damn much.

Intel doesn't suck. AMD doesn't suck (anymore). Creative doesn't suck. People who feel the need to put down other companies to make themselves feel better about their own hardware suck!

- Me

JavaFox · May 23, 2002, 10:28 PM

Billy, you're embarassing.

brc64, a tip my hat to your last post. Hate Intel although I may, even I admit you have some good points.

K6-IIs were truly awful. They were unstable unless they were overvoltaged. But I think a lot of the naysayers and people that call AMD Athlons unstable now are simply bitter about the K6-II. There really is no problem with stability -- Athlons are rock solid. And so are current VIA chipsets. I think a lot of people had some bad experiences in the past and keep making assumptions about current hardware based on those experiences. I'll admit -- I do it. I don't touch IBM or WD HDDs -- and it's been three years since I actually used a WD. There's just no reason to go with one, as far as I am concerned. But Athlons are superior, and 266A is hard to crash -- it takes either phenomenally poor luck or ridiculously low intelligence.

Intel has done a lot of good. Without them we wouldn't have USB, PCI, or even x86. They are excellent as a research firm, but their decisions regarding processor devel have been seriously misguided. The P4 is truly bad, and so is the Celeron. Tualatins are great procs, but it's really too little, too late.

I will disagree with you on one point, though. Creative does suck.

alewisa · May 24, 2002, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Billy, you're embarassing.

brc64, a tip my hat to your last post. Hate Intel although I may, even I admit you have some good points.does suck.

I thought this was for FLAMES!!!!!

Mod's, I demand you withdraw these posts, they are being far too nice to each other in a flame conf...

Silentst2000 · May 24, 2002, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Creative does suck.

Ding ding ding....we have a winner!

well at least creative's drivers suck and their support blow's.

JavaFox · May 25, 2002, 01:22 PM

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I thought this was for FLAMES!!!!!

alewisa, shut your damned mouth. You obviously don't know a thing about flaming. Flaming doesn't have to be a string of cusswords, nor does it have to consist of nonstop disagreement. To be a skilled flamer, you have to learn how to be underhanded and subtle, but you probably don't know how to pronounce those words, let alone grasp their meaning. Maybe you should stick to something you know, like networking technologies that nobody gives a good damn about.

How was that?

alewisa · May 25, 2002, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
alewisa, shut your damned mouth. You obviously don't know a thing about flaming. Flaming doesn't have to be a string of cusswords, nor does it have to consist of nonstop disagreement. To be a skilled flamer, you have to learn how to be underhanded and subtle, but you probably don't know how to pronounce those words, let alone grasp their meaning. Maybe you should stick to something you know, like networking technologies that nobody gives a good damn about.

How was that?

Better, I like...

But lame all the same. I notice you ducked the chance of a good deep down and dirty punch up. Scared of losing? Or is your mummy washing your asbestos trousers tonight?

If brains were chocolate you wouldn't have enough to make a smartie, you are about as useful as a lighthouse in the desert (bright but 'ffin useless, in case that was too subtle for you), and about as useless as tits on tarzan.

May 23, 2002, 12:25 PM	#1
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	lets cut the crap, Intel, P3, P4 BLAH ALL SUCK ASS!!!!!!!!! im getting sick reading the posts about how crap and unreliable AMD are.. I mean have any of you intel gerks ever actually used an AMD processor? I doubt it. Those celerons are a waste of time, money and effort. the performance I would get from my casio watch is better. and reliability? all this marketing crap about Intel being more reliable than AMD is just plain Bullshit, Intel are UNRELIABLE!!! I sold my last PIII chip and mobo because the whole thing was a pile of faeces. it would frequently lock out, stall, and the performance ... yes you guessed it .. was crap. Intel should just keep sticking to boring middle of the range servers, for hard core gaming and home use, they suck ass. performance is abysmal. servers? well AMD have yet to get this market, but all in good time. many IT guys are boring middle aged farts who dont want to take a chance, and in time they will see, like us home users, that AMD are the best, fastest and most stable processor maker on the market. so dont bore me with this INTEL has the edge on stability etc etc. blah blah. Intel suck. and they are dying. everyone knows it .... even the people who own them. thats why they post stupid links to biased sites proclaiming some wonderful new benchmark on an overclocked P4 to 4Ghz. they need to overclock them to 4 ghz to compete with a 2100+ XP. the P4 was a disaster, and intel hopefully in 5 years will be no longer with us. AMD need new competition, Intel should start making washing machines like zanussi. at least the processors could handle a spin cycle without maxxing out.

May 23, 2002, 10:28 PM	#8
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Good post Billy, you're embarassing. brc64, a tip my hat to your last post. Hate Intel although I may, even I admit you have some good points. K6-IIs were truly awful. They were unstable unless they were overvoltaged. But I think a lot of the naysayers and people that call AMD Athlons unstable now are simply bitter about the K6-II. There really is no problem with stability -- Athlons are rock solid. And so are current VIA chipsets. I think a lot of people had some bad experiences in the past and keep making assumptions about current hardware based on those experiences. I'll admit -- I do it. I don't touch IBM or WD HDDs -- and it's been three years since I actually used a WD. There's just no reason to go with one, as far as I am concerned. But Athlons are superior, and 266A is hard to crash -- it takes either phenomenally poor luck or ridiculously low intelligence. Intel has done a lot of good. Without them we wouldn't have USB, PCI, or even x86. They are excellent as a research firm, but their decisions regarding processor devel have been seriously misguided. The P4 is truly bad, and so is the Celeron. Tualatins are great procs, but it's really too little, too late. I will disagree with you on one point, though. Creative does suck.

May 23, 2002, 12:48 PM	#3
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	actually the PC was built correctly with a more than adequate 250w power supply, unless all of a sudden a pentium III needs more. perhaps it does, and you being the expert moderator will correct me with your obvious hardware guru intelligence. There have been alot of problems with intel boards and cpus, from the failed 1.13ghz cock ups and the POS overpriced boards they produce. perhaps you should spend less time patronizing people on this forum and go to the intel forums and help the thousands of idiots like me who have had numerous issues with their products. intel users dont like flaming, cause they know the processor they have is second rate celerons btw? compare it to a duron, and it gets a hammering... oh yeah which leads me nicely to the next processor from AMD

May 23, 2002, 01:09 PM	#5
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	yeah you make some good points uberlord im just sick of intel users dismissing AMD followers with the air of smugness that so often surrounds them. they have made alot of mistakes, and AMD are really showing them how to produce the goods lately.

May 23, 2002, 05:57 PM	#7
brc64 Zeeky H. Bomb Join Date: May 2002 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 826 Rep Power: 0	The only time I've ever had stability problems with my Intel processor was when I overclocked it without adding any additional cooling, and even then I didn't have problems until a couple months of continuous usage. Intel chipsets, in my experiences, are also incredibly stable. Show me one post where somebody is complaining about stability with an i815e chipset (what I'm using right now), and I'll show you five complaints regarding, say, a VIA KT266A chipset. Truth be told, the majority of problems people have with both Intel and AMD can be traced back to the user. Just because AMD processors perform better and are less expensive doesn't mean Intel products suck. They are good enough to keep up with today's applications. You know what sucks? The AMD K6 series. I had a 500 MHz K6-2 that performed only slightly better than my 166 MHz Pentium notebook with 1/4 the RAM. Now that was a crappy CPU. I will agree that the P4 sucks, though. I never really liked them. They're getting much better now, though, so I may need to change my opinion. My next system will probably be an AMD one, but it will be a long time before that happens. My next upgrade will be a P3 because an AMD system would cost too damn much. Intel doesn't suck. AMD doesn't suck (anymore). Creative doesn't suck. People who feel the need to put down other companies to make themselves feel better about their own hardware suck! - Me