A CPU for Absolute Morons

JavaFox · May 22, 2002, 11:14 AM

Ever hear a racist talk? Doesn't it make you uncomfortable? Doesn't it make you embarassed, as a fellow human being, to inhabit the same planet as said lowlife?

The P4 Celeron is kind of like that. It's a product so awful, so misguided -- so mindnumbingly STUPID that it makes me ashamed to be a human being.

Why would anyone EVER buy one of these processors? It's kind of like taking a Toyota Tercel, pulling off two of the wheels, writing --using a permanent Magic Marker-- "NISSAN SKYLINE" on it, and trying to sell it as something that can run with the Big Dogs.

Make it go away.

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2002, 11:24 AM

and whoever said people over-react

JavaFox · May 22, 2002, 11:38 AM

OVER-REACT?!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!?!?!?!?!?!

***Zardon*** · May 22, 2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
OVER-REACT?!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!?!?!?!?!?!

they bringing flamethrower type guns into paintball fights now ?

hehe

Dejitaru Shuurajo · May 22, 2002, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
they bringing flamethrower type guns into paintball fights now ? hehe

You play paintball Zardon? I've been playing for a few years, even have my certification as a ref in the N.P.P.L and W.P.F. Check out these pics from Skyball 2002 if you're interested.

P.S. I'm in one of the pics, try to guess which one.Skyball 20002

Yeti · May 22, 2002, 02:14 PM

Huh , paintball? Yeah i've done that.....

But don't diss the Toyota Tercel. I got me a '94 (with all four wheels still on it thank you very much) and its still humming. Its got 150K miles on it too.... its seen all of the east coast and then some!!!! It might not out pace a ferrari... but where i live... we call this a quality car.

I'll be saddened to let it go.

^^
The above does not have anything to do with the celeron (which i think is a pos... but may find a place somewhere in the world... eventually).

lol

Silentst2000 · May 22, 2002, 03:50 PM

your just mad the the p4 celery kills the duron.

JavaFox · May 22, 2002, 07:11 PM

Oh sweet Jesus, Silentst2000, don't tell me you're serious. The Duron always has and always will make an absolute embarassment out of the Celeron. Even a 1.2GHz Duron can outpace this new 1.7GHz Celeron. If you're going to argue that the Duron is slower, you're braindead since that's contrary to fact.

Yeti: I have a a '92 Tercel.

I like it a lot.

Jeff · May 22, 2002, 07:18 PM

When are we going to get a DuronXP?

(AND REALLY CALL IT THAT!!!)

JavaFox · May 22, 2002, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyborg
[b]When are we going to get a DuronXP?
[b]

Probably never, since 2K2 is the last year they're making the Duron.

But you gotta remember, any Duron above 1GHz is a Morgan -- a derivative of the Palomino core. So what we have now technically are DuronXPs.

Silentst2000 · May 22, 2002, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
Oh sweet Jesus, Silentst2000, don't tell me you're serious. The Duron always has and always will make an absolute embarassment out of the Celeron. Even a 1.2GHz Duron can outpace this new 1.7GHz Celeron. If you're going to argue that the Duron is slower, you're braindead since that's contrary to fact.

Yeti: I have a a '92 Tercel. I like it a lot.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1622&p=5

JavaFox · May 22, 2002, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silentst2000
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1622&p=5

That's really interesting, Silenst2000. Maybe I was wrong! Maybe the Celeron 1.7GHz is competitive! After all, look at how well it performs in SYSMark2002!

But let's read on, shall we?

If you read on in Anand's article, you get a better feel for how awful this new Celeron is. In Mp3 encoding, the Duron 1.3GHz and the Celeron 1.7GHz are about equals. 3DSMAX benchmark? The Duron eats the Celeron alive. In fact, the new Willamette-based Celeron gets beaten by a Tualatin-based 1.2GHz Celeron. Not looking good. Under Maya we see much the same result. Under a heavily SSE2-optimized Lightwave benchmark? Yup, the Celeron still sucks. 3D gaming? The Duron beats the Celeron in every test.

So, let's see here... this new Celeron is beaten out by a 1.3GHz Duron in every benchmark Anand runs EXCEPT BapCo's SYSMark2002? Hmm... isn't that interesting?

Do me a favor, Silenst2000, pull this webpage up. And get a clue.

Yeti · May 22, 2002, 09:38 PM

I DEMAND REPRESENTATION FOR THE TOYOTA TERCEL PEOPLE!!!! MY BROTHERS DEMAND A DEDICATED FORUM TO DISCUSS THE UPS (AND NO DOWNS

_) OF THE ISSUE!!!!!!!!11

POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!!!

END COMMUNICATION !!!! LOL

RadeonMAXX · May 22, 2002, 09:55 PM

Basically Intel crippled the Celeron.

Celeron is a slow weak ass processor.

applicator · May 22, 2002, 09:59 PM

This isn't just a celery.....THIS IS A CELERY WITH CHEESE WHIZ!!

I HATE CHEESE WHIZ!!!

crescent_hawk · May 23, 2002, 12:07 PM

the new celery is just a failed P4 Intel has to get rid of the jusk some how why not make money at it?

Yeti · May 23, 2002, 12:09 PM

Yeah..., P4 celerons a half dead P4... lol

***Zardon*** · May 23, 2002, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dejitaru Shuurajo
You play paintball Zardon? I've been playing for a few years, even have my certification as a ref in the N.P.P.L and W.P.F. Check out these pics from Skyball 2002 if you're interested.

P.S. I'm in one of the pics, try to guess which one.Skyball 20002

ive played it a few times, yeah it was fun.... good pics btw! which one are you? the dude covered in paint crying like a baby??

Dejitaru Shuurajo · May 23, 2002, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
ive played it a few times, yeah it was fun.... good pics btw! which one are you? the dude covered in paint crying like a baby??

LOL, naw I'm the guy with the Tower sticking out of my head, in the Canadian JT jersey.

May 23, 2002, 12:51 PM

nice thread name btw

perfect ! celerons ROFL... powerful and cheap enough for women to chat to men on Yahoo chat !!!

*cue Intel advert trademark sound effect*

highpingdrifter · May 23, 2002, 05:19 PM

the p4 celeron = the upgrade path for any cyrix owners, they will marvel at its unequalled power

Yeti · May 23, 2002, 06:10 PM

Yeah all 5 of us.... lol....

BTW... Cyrix is no more... its VIA.... yeah the guys who make the excellent chipsets.... uhuh.... VIA, INTEL and AMD all make CPU's and Chipsets and lots of other good stuff. Shocking!!!! eh?

Ijustwannaknow · May 24, 2002, 01:09 AM

i had a celeron processor and i never had a problem with it.

~~WyreTheWolf~~ · May 24, 2002, 05:57 AM

3D Rendering Performance
3D Studio MAX 4.2.6 Waterfall.max
(Rendered Images per Hour - Higher is better)

AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (1.40GHz) -----44.4

Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz ---------------42.9

AMD Duron 1.3GHz ---------------------39.1

Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz ---------------37.5

Intel Pentium III 1.2 -------------------33.3

Intel Celeron 1.2GHz ------------------34.0

Intel Celeron 1.7 @ 2.26GHz ---------30.3

Intel Celeron 1.7GHz ------------------ 25.9

OMG! look there .... even at 2.26GHz the new Celeron got its but handed to it by a 1600+ !

Silentst2000, You are so stupid that when you get a brainstorm, it's nothing but a drizzle. Get a clue!

alewisa · May 24, 2002, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WyreTheWolf
3D Rendering Performance
3D Studio MAX 4.2.6 Waterfall.max
(Rendered Images per Hour - Higher is better)

AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (1.40GHz) -----44.4
Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz ---------------42.9
AMD Duron 1.3GHz ---------------------39.1
Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz ---------------37.5
Intel Pentium III 1.2 -------------------33.3
Intel Celeron 1.2GHz ------------------34.0
Intel Celeron 1.7 @ 2.26GHz ---------30.3
Intel Celeron 1.7GHz ------------------ 25.9

OMG! look there .... even at 2.26GHz the new Celeron got its but handed to it by a 1600+ !

Normally I'd support any benchmark that showed AMD beating Intel. But.... just think about this, who in their right mind would use a Celeron, or a PIII, for rendering? It's a bit misleading thse bmarks. Anyone doing this seriously - e.g. commercially would be using a top end solution, be it x86, Sparc, or SG based. The economics don't come into it so much, as the marketing, politics & belief, and reliabillity.

There is a difference at the top of the chart in performance. Does this mean that any organisation rushes out to buy Athlons? Not if they have an existing investment in Intel hardwarem, unless the performance differential (e.g. increases profit) is sufficient to justify the tech refresh and pay for it. Chances are it won't.

For an organisation that depends on rendering performance that is about to upgrade, ignoring politics, they might calculate that the price differential, the rendering performance, and the effect on the forward order book, and choose an arhcitecture arccordingly.

Chris4Prez · May 24, 2002, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silentst2000
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1622&p=5

Does anyone else find this EXTREMELY interesting? I mean, even if the celery is overclocked, how in the hell can it out perform the Athlon XP, or even for that matter, The Pentium 4 @ 1.7GHz? Can someone explain? AND, how can the P4 get a better score over the Athlon XP? Are you sure this website isn't Intel.com?

Chris4Prez · May 24, 2002, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WyreTheWolf
3D Rendering Performance
3D Studio MAX 4.2.6 Waterfall.max
(Rendered Images per Hour - Higher is better)

AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (1.40GHz) -----44.4

Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz ---------------42.9

AMD Duron 1.3GHz ---------------------39.1

Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz ---------------37.5

Intel Pentium III 1.2 -------------------33.3

Intel Celeron 1.2GHz ------------------34.0

Intel Celeron 1.7 @ 2.26GHz ---------30.3

Intel Celeron 1.7GHz ------------------ 25.9

OMG! look there .... even at 2.26GHz the new Celeron got its but handed to it by a 1600+ !

Silentst2000, You are so stupid that when you get a brainstorm, it's nothing but a drizzle. Get a clue!

Now, THAT's better!

***Zardon*** · May 24, 2002, 09:12 AM

the celeron architecture is certainly not meant to compete with the superior architecture of the XP chip. the XP is, in many ways superior to the P4, the celerons daddy. comparing a celeron to an XP is not really a viable comparison !

RadeonMAXX · May 24, 2002, 10:51 AM

Intel is no longer the performance king, so you Intel Zeeboys, GET OVER IT!

Man I can't wait untill Hammer hits the market, that truley will be the Intel killer. What does Intel have to offer to counter Hammer? Me's curious.

reno · May 24, 2002, 10:57 AM

These numbers were based on one of the slower chipsets for intel processors, the i845d. The performance numbers on 845 based DDR systems are even slower than my P4X266 DDR system, so looking at these numbers isn't really a great representation of power, seen as they are comparing P4's medium range chipset to AMD's FASTEST chipset. For a fact I know that I bench much higher 1.7ghz bench numbers than the Jedi Knight 2 bench numbers, and with a lesser video card. I would have to say "take those benchmarks with a grain of crap" because they are definitely wrong (at least for the 1.7ghz P4 system numbers).

Anyway, A P4 celeron is just a cheap way to throw Duron out of the low end market. Even my Dad thinks that AMD's are poor performers and unreliable, and since he is like the rest of america, computer illiterate, I think Intel is pulling a very smart move.

Maybe the next processor from AMD shouldn't be called Opteron, maybe it should be called Inteleron, then maybe average computer-retarded consumers will by it on the false premise that it's an intel processor.

Did I tell you AMD gave a tour of their facilities to prospective buyers? (which reportedly was surprisingly underwhelming, they were invisioning cheap, but all they saw was a fat male prostitute chained to the wall, getting drilled in the rear by some priest with a thoroughbred processor in his mouth. weird)

May 22, 2002, 11:14 AM	#1
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	A CPU for Absolute Morons Ever hear a racist talk? Doesn't it make you uncomfortable? Doesn't it make you embarassed, as a fellow human being, to inhabit the same planet as said lowlife? The P4 Celeron is kind of like that. It's a product so awful, so misguided -- so mindnumbingly STUPID that it makes me ashamed to be a human being. Why would anyone EVER buy one of these processors? It's kind of like taking a Toyota Tercel, pulling off two of the wheels, writing --using a permanent Magic Marker-- "NISSAN SKYLINE" on it, and trying to sell it as something that can run with the Big Dogs. Make it go away.

May 22, 2002, 02:14 PM	#6
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Huh , paintball? Yeah i've done that..... But don't diss the Toyota Tercel. I got me a '94 (with all four wheels still on it thank you very much) and its still humming. Its got 150K miles on it too.... its seen all of the east coast and then some!!!! It might not out pace a ferrari... but where i live... we call this a quality car. I'll be saddened to let it go. ^^ The above does not have anything to do with the celeron (which i think is a pos... but may find a place somewhere in the world... eventually). lol __________________ --Oh lord not again

May 22, 2002, 03:50 PM	#7
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	your just mad the the p4 celery kills the duron. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

May 22, 2002, 07:18 PM	#9
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,177 Rep Power: 0	When are we going to get a DuronXP? (AND REALLY CALL IT THAT!!!) __________________ Mr. Simpson, don't you worry. I watched Matlock in a bar last night. The sound wasn't on, but I think I got the gist of it. - Lionel Hutz

May 22, 2002, 09:38 PM	#13
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	I DEMAND REPRESENTATION FOR THE TOYOTA TERCEL PEOPLE!!!! MY BROTHERS DEMAND A DEDICATED FORUM TO DISCUSS THE UPS (AND NO DOWNS _) OF THE ISSUE!!!!!!!!11 POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!!!! END COMMUNICATION !!!! LOL __________________ --Oh lord not again

May 22, 2002, 11:24 AM	#2
*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,283 Rep Power: 3150	and whoever said people over-react

May 22, 2002, 11:38 AM	#3
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	OVER-REACT?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!?!?!?!?!?!

May 22, 2002, 07:11 PM	#8
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Oh sweet Jesus, Silentst2000, don't tell me you're serious. The Duron always has and always will make an absolute embarassment out of the Celeron. Even a 1.2GHz Duron can outpace this new 1.7GHz Celeron. If you're going to argue that the Duron is slower, you're braindead since that's contrary to fact. Yeti: I have a a '92 Tercel. I like it a lot.

May 22, 2002, 09:55 PM	#14
RadeonMAXX Made Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon USA! Posts: 275 Rep Power: 0	Basically Intel crippled the Celeron. Celeron is a slow weak ass processor. __________________ WinXP Home Edition/ Service Pack 1 beta(build 1050) Athlon XP@1.4ghz Original Radeon 8500 - ATI CATALYST 2.1 IWiLL KK266 motherboard DirectX 9 beta 2 Download KaZaA now!! http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php R300 "Crush the Force!" -Dave Orton, Ati President

May 22, 2002, 09:59 PM	#15
applicator DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: calgary Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	This isn't just a celery.....THIS IS A CELERY WITH CHEESE WHIZ!! I HATE CHEESE WHIZ!!!

May 23, 2002, 12:07 PM	#16
crescent_hawk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Davenport,IA,USA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	the new celery is just a failed P4 Intel has to get rid of the jusk some how why not make money at it?

May 23, 2002, 12:09 PM	#17
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Yeah..., P4 celerons a half dead P4... lol __________________ --Oh lord not again

May 23, 2002, 12:51 PM	#20
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	nice thread name btw perfect ! celerons ROFL... powerful and cheap enough for women to chat to men on Yahoo chat !!! cue Intel advert trademark sound effect

May 23, 2002, 05:19 PM	#21
highpingdrifter Truth will set you free Join Date: May 2002 Location: england Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	the p4 celeron = the upgrade path for any cyrix owners, they will marvel at its unequalled power

May 23, 2002, 06:10 PM	#22
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Yeah all 5 of us.... lol.... BTW... Cyrix is no more... its VIA.... yeah the guys who make the excellent chipsets.... uhuh.... VIA, INTEL and AMD all make CPU's and Chipsets and lots of other good stuff. Shocking!!!! eh? __________________ --Oh lord not again

May 24, 2002, 01:09 AM	#23
Ijustwannaknow Driverheaven Senior Membe Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	i had a celeron processor and i never had a problem with it.

May 24, 2002, 05:57 AM	#24
~~WyreTheWolf~~ Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,111 Rep Power: 0	3D Rendering Performance 3D Studio MAX 4.2.6 Waterfall.max (Rendered Images per Hour - Higher is better) AMD Athlon XP 1600+ (1.40GHz) -----44.4 Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz ---------------42.9 AMD Duron 1.3GHz ---------------------39.1 Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz ---------------37.5 Intel Pentium III 1.2 -------------------33.3 Intel Celeron 1.2GHz ------------------34.0 Intel Celeron 1.7 @ 2.26GHz ---------30.3 Intel Celeron 1.7GHz ------------------ 25.9 OMG! look there .... even at 2.26GHz the new Celeron got its but handed to it by a 1600+ ! Silentst2000, You are so stupid that when you get a brainstorm, it's nothing but a drizzle. Get a clue!

May 24, 2002, 09:12 AM	#28
*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,283 Rep Power: 3150	the celeron architecture is certainly not meant to compete with the superior architecture of the XP chip. the XP is, in many ways superior to the P4, the celerons daddy. comparing a celeron to an XP is not really a viable comparison !

May 24, 2002, 10:51 AM	#29
RadeonMAXX Made Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon USA! Posts: 275 Rep Power: 0	Intel is no longer the performance king, so you Intel Zeeboys, GET OVER IT! Man I can't wait untill Hammer hits the market, that truley will be the Intel killer. What does Intel have to offer to counter Hammer? Me's curious. __________________ WinXP Home Edition/ Service Pack 1 beta(build 1050) Athlon XP@1.4ghz Original Radeon 8500 - ATI CATALYST 2.1 IWiLL KK266 motherboard DirectX 9 beta 2 Download KaZaA now!! http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php R300 "Crush the Force!" -Dave Orton, Ati President

May 24, 2002, 10:57 AM	#30
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,611 Rep Power: 0	come on guys These numbers were based on one of the slower chipsets for intel processors, the i845d. The performance numbers on 845 based DDR systems are even slower than my P4X266 DDR system, so looking at these numbers isn't really a great representation of power, seen as they are comparing P4's medium range chipset to AMD's FASTEST chipset. For a fact I know that I bench much higher 1.7ghz bench numbers than the Jedi Knight 2 bench numbers, and with a lesser video card. I would have to say "take those benchmarks with a grain of crap" because they are definitely wrong (at least for the 1.7ghz P4 system numbers). Anyway, A P4 celeron is just a cheap way to throw Duron out of the low end market. Even my Dad thinks that AMD's are poor performers and unreliable, and since he is like the rest of america, computer illiterate, I think Intel is pulling a very smart move. Maybe the next processor from AMD shouldn't be called Opteron, maybe it should be called Inteleron, then maybe average computer-retarded consumers will by it on the false premise that it's an intel processor. Did I tell you AMD gave a tour of their facilities to prospective buyers? (which reportedly was surprisingly underwhelming, they were invisioning cheap, but all they saw was a fat male prostitute chained to the wall, getting drilled in the rear by some priest with a thoroughbred processor in his mouth. weird)