F**k Jane Fonda

swatX · May 15, 2005, 04:13 AM

god i hate her soo much . Someone should literally beat her to death.

for people who dont know who the slutty Jane fonda is heres a little descrption of her

Jane Fond (an american actress Born: 1937)like many many americans was against the vietnam war and with moneyand fame backing her she created groups like FTA ( F**k the army) and she encouraged soldiers to desert the army. She being an american also went to North Vietnam during the Vietnam war and tooks pictures of her sitting near a AA gun that shot many American fighter Jets.

here's a message from her while she was in vietnam in '72

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This is Jane Fonda. During my two week visit in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, I've had the opportunity to visit a great many places and speak to a large number of people from all walks of life--workers, peasants, students, artists and dancers, historians, journalists, film actresses, soldiers, militia girls, members of the women's union, writers.

I visited the (Dam Xuac) agricultural coop, where the silk worms are also raised and thread is made. I visited a textile factory, a kindergarten in Hanoi. The beautiful Temple of Literature was where I saw traditional dances and heard songs of resistance. I also saw unforgettable ballet about the guerrillas training bees in the south to attack enemy soldiers. The bees were danced by women, and they did their job well.

In the shadow of the Temple of Literature I saw Vietnamese actors and actresses perform the second act of Arthur Miller's play All My Sons, and this was very moving to me--the fact that artists here are translating and performing American plays while US imperialists are bombing their country.

I cherish the memory of the blushing militia girls on the roof of their factory, encouraging one of their sisters as she sang a song praising the blue sky of Vietnam--these women, who are so gentle and poetic, whose voices are so beautiful, but who, when American planes are bombing their city, become such good fighters.

I cherish the way a farmer evacuated from Hanoi, without hesitation, offered me, an American, their best individual bomb shelter while US bombs fell near by. The daughter and I, in fact, shared the shelter wrapped in each others arms, cheek against cheek. It was on the road back from Nam Dinh, where I had witnessed the systematic destruction of civilian targets-schools, hospitals, pagodas, the factories, houses, and the dike system.

As I left the United States two weeks ago, Nixon was again telling the American people that he was winding down the war, but in the rubble-strewn streets of Nam Dinh, his words echoed with sinister (words indistinct) of a true killer. And like the young Vietnamese woman I held in my arms clinging to me tightly--and I pressed my cheek against hers--I thought, this is a war against Vietnam perhaps, but the tragedy is America's.

One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I've been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he'll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo-colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist.

I've spoken to many peasants who talked about the days when their parents had to sell themselves to landlords as virtually slaves, when there were very few schools and much illiteracy, inadequate medical care, when they were not masters of their own lives.

But now, despite the bombs, despite the crimes being created--being committed against them by Richard Nixon, these people own their own land, build their own schools--the children learning, literacy--illiteracy is being wiped out, there is no more prostitution as there was during the time when this was a French colony. In other words, the people have taken power into their own hands, and they are controlling their own lives. And after 4,000 years of struggling against nature and foreign invaders--and the last 25 years, prior to the revolution, of struggling against French colonialism--I don't think that the people of Vietnam are about to compromise in any way, shape or form about the freedom and independence of their country, and I think Richard Nixon would do well to read Vietnamese history, particularly their poetry, and particularly the poetry written by Ho Chi Minh.

some pics of her in N vietnam

Jane Fonda sitting on a seat of an anti-aircraft gun

Jane Fonda looking admiringly at an NVA gun crew

Jane Fonda applauding an NVA anti-aircraft gun crew. These guns were used to shoot down American planes and contributed to the deaths of American Airmen.

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While American Soldiers were fighting and dying in the Vietnam War, Jane Fonda, the daughter of Henry Fonda, was using her money and influence at colleges and universities to gather support to advocate communism and encourage rebellion and anarchy against the United States Government.

On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. " Washington Times July 7, 2000

Jane Fonda began her participation in anti-war activities around 1967, allegedly after meeting with Communists while in France and with American citizens who were revolutionaries. Her activities included active participation in demonstrations, rallies, radio broadcasts and plays.

Jane Fonda also helped in the organization of a production group called the F.T.A. (F*** The Army). This group helped to set up coffee houses near military bases where they would perform anti-war derogatory-type sketches for the visiting soldiers. The coffee-house sketches were intended to counterpoint the U.S.O. shows, such as Bob Hope and other U.S.O. sponsored performers whose performances increased morale and gave positive support to American soldiers. Some of the F.T.A. coffee house employees would mingle with the soldiers to help them to "relax and unwind", while encouraging the soldiers to desert. Some soldiers alleged that they were promised jobs and money by the F.T.A. if they deserted.

The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization received major financial support from Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's F.T.A. coffee houses helped in recruiting soldiers and veterans for the Vietnam Veterans Against The War Organization. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization membership was approximately 7,000 at it's highest. The Organization's membership number was comparatively low, when you consider that more than 2 1/2 million Americans served during the Vietnam war.

Jane Fonda personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts. North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.

In 1972 Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden and others traveled to North Vietnam to give their support to the North Vietnamese's Government. When she returned to the United States, she advised the news media that all of the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and were not being tortured.

As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war. Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of 1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."

source: http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

heres a timeline of her activities.

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1969
Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

The peace proposal by the Vietcong was "the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."

References: 1. 2.

1971
In 1971 Jane organized the FTA (Fu#$ The Army) to undermine morale and radicalize the armed forces.

1972
In July 1972 Jane travels to North Vietnam and tours the area for 2 weeks.
During July, 1972 she made six broadcasts over Radio Hanoi.

From the one on July 14, 1972 she said;

"This is Jane Fonda speaking from Hanoi, and I'm speaking particularly to the U.S servicemen...I don't know what your officers tell you...but [your] weapons are illegal and that's not just rhetoric...The men who are ordering you to use these weapons are war criminals according to international law, and in the past, in Germany and Japan, men who committed these kinds of crimes were tried and executed."

Another broadcasts quoted Ho Chi Minh and had references to President Nixon as a "new-type Hitler", along with messages to the South Vietnamese soldiers to desert, "You are being used as cannon fodder for U.S. imperialism."(AFJ,May'88--Personalities)

Addressing herself to the men on the aircraft carriers in the area; "Use of these bombs or condoning the use of these bombs makes one a war criminal." When addressing herself to the pilots of the American planes she continued with; "Examine the reasons given to justify the murder you are being paid to commit." Upon her return to the U.S. she then addressed cheering students; "I bring greetings from our Vietnamese brothers and sisters."

Jane formed the Indochina Peace Campaign which was anti-Nixon and pro Hanoi.

When the POWs returned she added "I think that one of the only ways that we are going to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars....History will judge them severely." The attacks continued for four months and was not simply popping off as she told Barbara Walters in her efforts at rehabilitating herself. (HE,6-30-90)

1973
When the POWs returned in early 1973 and detailed the torture and mistreatment, she accused them of lying.
Senator John McCain had both his arms broken. She calls McCain a liar! (AFJ,May'88--Personalities)

1974
Jane returned to Hanoi in 1974 with Tom Hayden.

1975
In 1975 Jane went back to Moscow, thanking them "for sending assistance which the Soviet people are sending to Vietnam."

1979
Jane refused to join Joan Baez and others in their protest against the Khmer Rouge slaughter because, as she told the National Press Club on September 26, 1979, she was unable to confirm the accuracy of the charges against the regime. The purpose of the interview was to polish her image in Waterbury, Chicopee and Holyoke Mass. where opposition to her movie making there generated controversy.(AIM, 88-14)

1988
Jane arranged to be interviewed by Barbara Walters on June 17, 1988 on 20/20. The fact that Barbara Walters was married to Merv Adelson, CEO of Lorimar Telepictures, the company that marketed Jane's workout tapes had nothing to do with the selection of Walters said Fonda's publicist Steve Rivers.

16 years after her Hanoi tour, Jane Fonda appeared on 20/20 and was interviewed by Barbara Walters.

"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did," Fonda said. "I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm . . . very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Behind the scenes, Jane was filming "Stanley and Iris" on location in a number of New England towns. The production efforts on the movie were being severely disrupted by protesting Vietnam veterans and thus causing serious problems in the making of the film.
By the timing of the apology and by the primary reference to the New England veterans, was this a truly heart-felt apology or just another acting scene from the film to help the production efforts? The Apology?

Heres a letter from American POW to Ladies Home journal when Jane fonda was chosen as "100 most important women in history"

swatX · May 15, 2005, 04:14 AM

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From: James Ray

To: lhj@mdp.com

Dear Ms. Blyth [editor of Ladies Home Journal];

Why Jane Fonda? I PROTEST and COMPLAIN! And I had held your magazine, Ladies Home Journal, in high regard heretofore. Why would you choose her?

Let me lead with my personal identification so you can verify and validate who I am, and confirm that my complaint is legitimate and accurate, and not some "anonymous source" fabricated by some journalist or other activist with an agenda or some hidden partisan political connection:

James Edwin Ray, Colonel, U.S Air Force (Retired)
Vietnam Veteran; F-105D Pilot; POW, May 1966 - Feb 1973 (6 yrs, 9 mos, 4 days!)
(409) 696-[xxxx]; E-mail: [xxxxxxxx] Please contact to confirm.

While I make no presumption to speak for anyone but myself, I firmly believe, from my continuing interaction with retired and active duty servicemen and women, that approximately 85% toward 100% of all military veterans of the Vietnam conflict, and approximately the same percentage of those currently serving, who know the full story of Jane Fonda’s visit to Hanoi, would generally concur with the sentiments expressed below. If anyone can give me credible evidence to the contrary, i.e., without political pressure upon the careers of current servicemen and women to refute this, I would gladly consider revising my estimate.

Why Jane Fonda? ... a woman who fulfilled the dictionary definition, as well as centuries of legal precedent, of TREASON, by giving aid and comfort to the enemy, during active hostilities, while I and several hundred other American and Allied POW’s were being abused just a few blocks away in the "Hanoi Hilton," the infamous Hoa Lo Prison! She conducted press conferences condemning U.S. and Allied policy and actions; POWs were abused and forced to attend a press conference with her, and were punished badly for not following the communist script.

She posed for pictures in communist uniform and hat on an anti-aircraft gun, and said personally that she’d like to get a Yankee mercenary air pirate (an American pilot) in her sights (to shoot him down or kill him!) Her actions prolonged the war and caused many additional casualties (on both sides) by giving aid, comfort, and encouragement to the enemy.

Why Jane Fonda? ... when we were honorably repatriated in 1973, and we duly reported the torture, the exploitation, their use of us as hostages at known targets, the further torture of POWs (one of whom died!) by visiting Cubans, and other violations of international law, that same Jane Fonda publicly called us "liars!" I challenged her to a public debate, or even a private visit, to see the rope burn scars (from the torture we called "the rope trick"), still visible on my arms after more than six years of captivity. Paul Harvey took note of my challenge, but few others in the media would; I was predictably ignored by the Fonda-Hayden followers.

But we POW’s and our mistreatment in that gulag were not the only, nor the most significant reason I’m writing IN PROTEST. Many others earned as much or greater relevance than we. The dedicated service and sacrifices of millions of American citizens who loyally served, and put their lives on the line, in Southeast Asia, at the request of their Congress and their President, earned that same respect ... and in even greater measure, those who lost their lives, and those who lost their loved ones. All of them Ms. Fonda also BETRAYED! But they are not the major issue here, either.

That the war allegedly became "an unpopular one" (according to a very vocal minority in the media, in Hollywood, and in academia, where many cowardly draft dodgers found refuge, is not the issue (though the radical left would try to make it so). Despite all the hired activists, the manipulated draft-eligibles, the media cheerleaders, and the provocative demonstrations, the silent majority overcame that theory when they elected, and re-elected (by a landslide) President Nixon, and the Representatives and Senators who prevailed in attempting to prosecute the war to a just and honorable end. Falsely alleged or unfairly exaggerated popularity polls are not the issue!

That the war was "undeclared" is no excuse either, though that seems to be the most frequent excuse mantra the media megaphone uses in Jane Fonda’s defense, while muzzling and spiking any stories by those who would rightfully condemn her actions. Neither Constitutional language nor historical precedent requires that a war or hostilities be "officially declared" in order to define, or convict for, treason! No, that’s not a major issue, either.

The Constitution of the United States of America and the rule of law, and citizens duties and responsibilities thereto, are the key issues at stake! The issue is that a de facto TRAITOR, for complex political reasons, was never held accountable, de jure, for her dictionary defined, legislatively defined, and historically precedented acts of TREASON. Civilizations ignore, or lightly excuse such actions at great peril to their continuance and survival.

Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon led our involvement in Vietnam. The US Congress, expressing the will of the American people, using the Constitutionally mandated due process of discussion, deliberation, debate, and legislation established the legitimacy of our involvement, and the draft, and funding to support it. No; "right or wrong (to be in Vietnam)," "popular or unpopular," "freedom of speech," "right to dissent," "principled opposition," etc., are not the issues. That it was the law of the land, enacted by due process, and that Ms. Fonda willfully disobeyed the law, the will of the Congress, and the policy and leadership of the Commander-in-Chief, and that her actions did great harm to American citizens duly engaging an enemy in time of war, while giving aid and comfort to that same enemy, is the issue: a prima facie case that she committed TREASON.

Why do you want to honor, or even recognize, Jane Fonda, a de facto TRAITOR? Why do media seem so uninterested in offering a fair opportunity to give honorable, loyal, brave, patriotic citizens a fair voice to make our case (as above) before the court of public opinion? Does her talent as an actress absolve her betrayal? Does her current husband’s status as a media mogul override principle? (Wasn’t Ms. and Mr. Fonda-Turner’s CNN sufficiently exposed and discredited by the Time-CNN "Tailwind" story for such bias against Vietnam military veterans that they also betrayed legitimate standards of journalism?)

Why would you want to give her/them cover or rehabilitation (much less Honor) when they have not sincerely apologized for their obvious mistakes? Is it money? Is it power? Is it celebrity? Is it ratings? Do any or all of these override principle, character, integrity, loyalty to our Constitution and the rule of law ... the things we should be teaching our young people?

I most respectfully urge you to retract Jane Fonda from your list honorees. If you have made irrevocable commitments that now make it impossible to do so, I urge you to allow veterans and citizen soldiers, so many of whom share the views and principles expressed above, equal time in an equivalent forum. I ask that you allow us to inform the American people who and what we believe Jane Fonda really is! ... and why! For example, please print this letter, (you may omit my identity, if you wish ... I’m not seeking celebrity), in your next edition, and let your readers react to the reality of what she did, and what so many military servicemen and women think of her.

Even if you personally do not agree with the case I’ve made, I ask you to print this, out of respect for the sacrifices I and so many other veterans made in loyal, patriotic obedience to our Constitution, our Congress, and our Commander-in-Chief. Then let your readers decide for themselves, instead of doing their thinking for them by selective spiking. That’s what communists and fascists do, and what we were fighting against, for you and for your (and others’) freedom of the press!

Jim Ray

College Station, Texas

GBU & GBA

X-Ray

source:http://www.moorej.org/jane/xray.html

I blieve no amount apology can be made for this treasonous act. also i would like to say that even though i was against the Vietnam war i still support our troops because all they were doing were following orders. imo They deserve every bit of our respect.

anyways sorry for the long post.. just wanted to rant somewhere and this looked like the perfect place.

Btw Jane fonda's new film is called " Monster in Law" starring her and Jennifer Lopez.

PS: ignore any spelling errors :P

~~Vasot~~ · May 15, 2005, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by swatX

source:http://www.moorej.org/jane/xray.html

I blieve no amount apology can be made for this treasonous act. also i would like to say that even though i was against the Vietnam war i still support our troops because all they were doing were following orders. imo They deserve every bit of our respect.

anyways sorry for the long post.. just wanted to rant somewhere and this looked like the perfect place.

Btw Jane fonda's new film is called " Monster in Law" starring her and Jennifer Lopez.

PS: ignore any spelling errors :P

Oww SHUT UP SwatX
You are acting like a Zealot or a Nationalist fanatic

At least she is not such a WHORE as Jeniffer Lopez is
and some of your "MTV born celebrities" and your new stars

Bad or good for your PROUD SOLDIERS

at least she was honest of what she felt about that war

There are worse "stars" in your country to brag about already
Worse from Fonda

Worse examples from Fonda tip tip tip tip tip
Jeniffer Lopez as said

swatX · May 15, 2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vasot

Oww SHUT UP SwatX
You are acting like a Zealot or a Nationalist fanatic

At least she is not such a WHORE as Jeniffer Lopez is
and some of your "MTV born celebrities" and your new stars

Bad or good for your PROUD SOLDIERS

at least she was honest of what she felt about that war

There are worse stars in your country to brag about already

guess what this whore is the worst Star in america. and i am fucking proud of my nations soldiers. you got any problem with that?

honest? as in lying to the nation and comitting treasonus acts?

~~Vasot~~ · May 15, 2005, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by swatX

guess what this whore is the worst Star in america. and i am fucking proud of my nations soldiers. you got any problem with that?

1)No but you are saying the same and the same things again and again
like a Zealot

2) Yes that WHORE is one the biggest Stars in America but are you proud for that ?
People like you gave her that power

swatX · May 15, 2005, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vasot

1)No but you are saying the same and the same things again and again
like a Zealot

2) Yes that WHORE is one the biggest Stars in America but are you proud for that ?
People like you gave her that power

i am saying i am proud of American Army. and btw i dont watch any of her shows so hows that make me "suppoter" and how eactly did i give her power?

violat3 · May 16, 2005, 08:47 AM

teh viet cong weren't long with you yank rats

still hurting 30+ years on

El Kapitano · May 16, 2005, 01:04 PM

violat 3 - you're still a prick I see.

pr0digal jenius · May 16, 2005, 03:56 PM

How is visiting a foreing country viewed as an "enemy" treason?

My church has missionaries in Iraq and Palestine....wanna come lock all of us up too?

OldBuzzard · May 16, 2005, 04:18 PM

PJ, that has to be the dumbest fucking statement in any thread, on any forum, in the entire known universe.

You might want to consider changing your name here to Prodigious Idiot.

She (an American citizen) went there and encouraged them to fight and kill AMERICANS in a time of war! THAT, you dumbass, is TREASON!

Christ I really do hope that your statement was from IGNORANCE rather than STUPIDITY. If it was from the latter, I hope to God that you are sterile, because the human gene pool would be a lot stronger if someone that stupid doesn't reproduce.

pr0digal jenius · May 16, 2005, 08:13 PM

I know what she did, I'm simply saying it's not a crime to support someone whom your country is currently against.

I personally wouldn't have gone the rout she did, but, well:
"While I do not agree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death your right to say it" ---Voltaire

swatX · May 16, 2005, 09:06 PM

it isnt a crime to be against your country but it should be a crime to encourage an enemy to kill your country men

pr0digal jenius · May 16, 2005, 09:15 PM

that is true, yes..like I said..I don't in any way support her encouraging that...but as for goign over there..that's her thing

OldBuzzard · May 17, 2005, 09:35 AM

The fact that she went there may, or may not have been a violation of US law.

However, with her public statements WHILE THERE, she clearly violated Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

The bitch is a traitor, no more, no less.

pr0digal jenius · May 17, 2005, 01:12 PM

I'm not seeing how you can be arrested for saying something by a government founded on the freedom of speech

yoda133113 · May 17, 2005, 01:12 PM

Buzzard has it right, she could go wherever she wanted, but the second she encouraged the vietcong and the vietnamese military she was a traitor, just like people who go support Al Queda today, and what's worse is she has never apologized for it.