Plugins in Uniform ("UFX")

Max M. · Jan 24, 2003, 12:17 AM

Guys, i have a news for you.

From now an on, the UFX package is not anymore free of charge - it becomes "commercial". If you've downloaded and used it before 4th November of 2007 - you're still free to use it. But right form today and further, the UFX's author asks you to donate some amount of money you feel affordable for you to "Podari Zhizn'!" relief fund.
It's a fund to help the children suffering from oncological and hematologic sickness.
The requisites you need are: Ôîíä Ïîäàðè æèçíü! Ðåêâèçèòû

If you do not want to help these particular Russian children or you're feeling you don't like Russia whatever it goes - it's OK - we don't want to force you - it's equal if you just do the same for the children of your own country. Please - do so.
Max promises you - these kids will gift to our next generation thousands of new UFXs - just if they do not die.

Thank You,

Max Mikhailov

Soeren_B · Jan 24, 2003, 09:48 AM

Hi Max

This is very nice work

/Soeren

Hanz Petrov · Jan 24, 2003, 10:24 PM

Screenshots here for the unbelievers :-)

http://www3.sympatico.ca/abvj/

p.s. Thanks for the idea on the theme Soeren :-) can't believe I missed it the first time around.. :-P

Daniel Drummond · Jan 24, 2003, 10:34 PM

Nice look and sound! Great job!

Soeren_B · Jan 25, 2003, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanz Petrov
Screenshots here for the unbelievers :-)

http://www3.sympatico.ca/abvj/

p.s. Thanks for the idea on the theme Soeren :-) can't believe I missed it the first time around.. :-P

All you 10kx are belong to us!

/S

Samir · Jan 25, 2003, 07:43 AM

Hehe, seems like someone, somehow, managed to stick good old reverb into my computer monitor...
Reminds me of an good old time! kX rules!

Decki, svaka cast!

RIV@NVX · Jan 25, 2003, 08:20 AM

Max you are in one word - KING.
Or maybe emperor... THIS RULES!
Thanks! burN 'eM

Hanz Petrov · Jan 25, 2003, 09:53 AM

Heya Riva :-)

So if Max is king/emporer, what does that make Eugene...? Sumpreme kX Being? ;-)

All hail the kX team!

p.s. Thanks for setting us up here Riva - DriverHeaven is very cool.. although I kinda miss the pop-up ads.. NOT!
:-)

ksk · Jan 25, 2003, 10:46 PM

thumb up!!!!

RIV@NVX · Jan 26, 2003, 04:53 AM

It would be cool to have more plugins this way

inteks · Jan 26, 2003, 12:20 PM

thats looks mega cool !!! is the new driver completely in that style ???
can't await it.

have fun
tom

ksk · Jan 26, 2003, 09:48 PM

i selected "rock" preset in the EQ G10.
after i reopen the tweak options of this plugin, it shows "custom" in the preset. it should be show "rock" not "custom".
show "custom" only if we change the options of the "preset"

bardnone · Jan 27, 2003, 05:12 AM

It's so cool

TheKezmiester · Jan 27, 2003, 08:59 PM

...Now you've really outdone yourself this time Max! This is a very good thing...

RIV@NVX · Jan 28, 2003, 09:01 AM

@ksk - Timbre has the same issue. Hope that Max can fix it...
@inteks - I hope too - looks professional, doesn't it?

strangeloop · Jan 28, 2003, 12:10 PM

They're looking great and sounding even better!

Thank you!

I'm also hoping (and expecting) this is going to be the new GUI style... it's very nice.

One very little remark about the choose-preset menu: most dropout menus (that's what they call it, isn't it? I'm not sure in English) in Windows come falling down if you click anywhere on them, and not only if you click on the rightmost arrow.

RIV@NVX · Feb 8, 2003, 07:24 AM

Hmmm... doesn't work with 3529 (actually messes it up completely). Max, can you do an update?

Max M. · Feb 8, 2003, 12:06 PM

Thanks. Of course it does not work with 29. Did not i say this before? Update? ha-ha "update"... i have to rewrite everything....

RIV@NVX · Feb 8, 2003, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max M.
Thanks. Of course it does not work with 29. Did not i say this before? Update? ha-ha "update"... i have to rewrite everything....

Then go, rewrite it!

Max M. · Feb 8, 2003, 01:21 PM

of course, however i cannot promise it will be too soon...

Max M. · Feb 9, 2003, 04:00 PM

hello again.

update for 29 is available:
http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufxsetup.exe

previous version (28) is still available as http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufxsetup.28.exe

This is not update we've talked above but experimental update based on special "28 on 29" emulator instead.

thanks.

RIV@NVX · Feb 10, 2003, 09:39 AM

Suggestion - use "save target as", it will not work otherwise.
I will test it... nice to see such a quick update!

eyagos · Feb 16, 2003, 04:41 PM

Good work Max, very good. Smart and precise design.

I think too that the design job is nearly over (except some small bugs). The final step would be a "smarter" design for the level meters, so they could be included in some plugin windows as Compressor or Equalizer:

- I have modified the APS Compressor plugin so the gain can be monitored with a peak plugin, and it would be fantastic if it could be included in the same window (you can get the kxl (for 3529) in a post of this forum).

- In the Equalizer I have observed that some presets produce clipping, and it would be grate too if it could be monitored in the same window (with less than 1% of resources more). And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too.

Another thing, will be this gui avaliable in the SDK?

Max M. · Feb 18, 2003, 08:21 AM

Thank you.

peakmeters - yep, actually EQG10 had build-in peak-meter (in some alpha vers.) but i've decided to remove it.
The truth is that we've already run out of dsp resources (so that in next kx ver 30 -Timbre is used instead of EQ for SBLive models...)...

So actually i'm thinking about some "smarter" peakmeter architecture - like maybe peakmeter as separate "child" plugin which can be loaded/unloaded automatically when user enables/disables metering, but with view of it from same EQ window of course...

As for compressor, yep, i think, the good way will be to put peakmeter right into compressor code... actually, there's nothing difficult to do this... Also i'm not sure about 29, but for 28 and all of erlier versions it could be done without any special controls/functions of kx (see instructions below)...

>with less than 1% of resources more

yep, but see above, Live have no even 1% of resource this days (damn mixer

...

>And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too.

Presets for EQ are designed with "same volume subjective feel" in mind, so yep, clipping may of course occure for some material depending on its spectral content...

>And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too.

But not built into EQ itself. "Input Gain" is there exactly for such situation.
Separate "Limiter" or "AGC" plugins put before output stage of kx dsp would be another option (but not loaded by default).

>Another thing, will be this gui avaliable in the SDK?

Some day. It's actually hard a bit to publish something solid these days, since native kxgui and so uniform (kxgui independend but somewhat linked to ) are being constantly updated now... Also i'd prefer to concentrate on writing plugins themselves raither then on making SDK for them at the moment.
I'll publish some example sources for "uniform" soon maybe, although, i don't think they will be too usefull without any documentation.

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PeakMeter
---------

(i've posted this on some mailing list some days ago)

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Code:

name "peak meter";
created "07/23/2002";

input in
static peak
temp t

log   t, in, 31i, 1i
limit peak, t, t, peak
end

just read the value of "peak" register on some timer (for example ~16 times per second) and write zero to it after reading...

#define UNITY_GAIN_COEFF 0x78000000L // this is for standard 0.25 level
#define MAGIC_NUMBER 0xaaaaaaaa

ValueToShow = (peak - UNITY_GAIN_COEFF) / MAGIC_NUMBER;

/* this for example gives you ValueToShow right in decibels... (of course you need more presice measurement so you need to decrease MAGIC_NUMBER or make ValueToShow to be float/double... - i use MAGIC_NUMBER = 0x111111 which gives me ValueToShow in centibels, Eugene uses some other "floating point" formula as i know etc... that depends on how you are going to show "peak" to user) */

/max

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Well, as for visual implementation, so before kx29, one could use MFC's CProgressCtrl for example or something similiar... However, these days, maybe it's too late to use MFC with native kx plugin api (since kxapi/kxgui are being rewritten to be MFC free) and too early too use new kxgui for that (since it is not yet complete, E., fixme, is special control dedicated to peakmetering there?)...

Daniel Drummond · Mar 2, 2003, 09:58 PM

Update to 3530? Please? Thanks!!!

Max M. · Mar 2, 2003, 10:42 PM

yes, of course - http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.30.exe

Daniel Drummond · Mar 2, 2003, 11:19 PM

Hey, that was fast! Thank you very much! KX 3530 kicks ass, specially with these great plugins... 2 asses kicked...
*update* just tested them and they're working just fine. Even my saved settings are working ok.

Max M. · Mar 4, 2003, 07:32 PM

(3 pages "Getting Started" draft for "Reverb R" is available as http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/reverb_r.pdf)

zonta · Mar 5, 2003, 08:38 AM

Max M. · Mar 5, 2003, 11:16 AM

28: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.28.exe
29: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.29.exe
30: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.30.exe

RIV@NVX · Mar 5, 2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zonta

Hint: copy the link and paste it into your adress bar. Works?

Max M. · Mar 27, 2003, 01:08 PM

31: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.31.exe

ksk · Apr 30, 2003, 11:47 PM

when for 3532?

RIV@NVX · May 1, 2003, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ksk
when for 3532?

I am interested too

Hope Max is still working on Uniform plugins

**Eugene Gavrilov** · May 1, 2003, 12:13 PM

3531 kXU release should work correctly with 3532 driver

/Eugene

jules · May 5, 2003, 07:03 AM

Hi everybody, I am interested in your development about creative soundcards since The APS driver were not supported under XP(~2 years ago I think). You're doing a good job. Thanks to you, I will not get rid of my Audigy

I trying to download the beta plugin you talking about with this link (http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.31.exe)
but it doesn't works, I don't understand a word...could you help me?
Escuse me for my bad english.
Thanks a lot.

ksk · May 6, 2003, 03:11 AM

what do u mean it doesnt works?

before installing the plugin
-exit kx manager first
-install this plugin
-restart kx manager

if u install it porperly...
-some plugin with nice skin
-few new plugins available
-these plugins are with presets

CHECK kX DSP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jules · May 6, 2003, 09:09 AM

The link doesn't works. It send me on a Russian html or something like that and I don't speak Russian....What's wrong?

Thanks.

BiCho · May 7, 2003, 04:12 AM

go to www.kxproject.com and check the link on your right, it says 'latest driver version'

ksk · May 7, 2003, 04:21 AM

http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.31.exe

try right click and save target as.....

Max M. · Jun 14, 2003, 02:19 AM

v. 1.30.00.3533 is available: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.33.exe
Now with full-featured parametric equalizer...

Mata Hari · Jun 14, 2003, 10:14 AM

that parametric equalizer is simply heart warming briljant :-))
nice job again!

kokoon · Jun 17, 2003, 07:27 AM

WOW!!! that equalizer is REALLY fantastic!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

ThJ · Jun 17, 2003, 08:31 AM

These plug-ins are great! The reverb reminds me of a rack reverb, both in flexibility and quality. I suspect having 3 algoritms loaded simultaneously eats up a lot of register space. The parametric equalizer reminds me of FxEq from SONAR, only this one's better.

It is common to have one short and one long reverb in a song, so I miss that (there aren't enough registers). Being able to route the reverb onto a separate mixing bus and lift the heavy weight of reverb processing off of the CPU is great, though. Even with 2 GHz.

kokoon · Jun 17, 2003, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThJ
Being able to route the reverb onto a separate mixing bus and lift the heavy weight of reverb processing off of the CPU is great, though. Even with 2 GHz.

errr... what?

Gonzo · Jun 17, 2003, 09:46 PM

He's talking about using a different bus (not the main one) from the FXBus, to send a signal to the UFX reverb.
This way you get a very nice sounding, CPU resources free, reverbered sound.
I agree that it's a pity that we can't use more than one instance of reverb but then again... we're in the ballpark of a creamware card, using a SB Live!...
And this alone, is amazing...
THANKS A LOT MAX FOR YOUR WONDERFUL NEW EQ!!!!
Please, now you got all the components you need to just put them together and build us a nice Channel Strip. ;-)

Gonzo.

ThJ · Jun 18, 2003, 05:15 AM

I connect FXbus6 and 7 to the reverb's inputs, and set SONAR's Aux 1 to output 6/7,

Max M. · Jun 24, 2003, 11:24 AM

updated to v.1.31.00.3533
link as above
new: another peak meter

Pseudo Psy · Jun 24, 2003, 02:13 PM

I have a 404 error on http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.33.exe (your latest link)

Max M. · Jun 25, 2003, 12:53 AM

some host problems maybe - now link is ok...

kokoon · Jun 27, 2003, 06:04 AM

what are your future plans? what effects are you going to add/update? when? can you maybe give a complete list of what this package includes?

Max M. · Jun 28, 2003, 02:36 PM

plans... i don't know.. i have many... maybe this, mayve that, but what if i won't make anything... no i think i'll keep my plans hidden.. but any suggestion welcome of course...

> can you maybe give a complete list of what this package includes?

for ver. v.1.31.00.3533 the list is:
"Reverb R" - reverberation processor
"EQ G10" - 10 band graphic equalizer
"EQ P5" - 5 band parametric equalizer
"Surrounder" - channels configuration manager (surround encode/decode, bass redirection etc.)
"GainX" - "in-place" level control
"PeakX" - peak meter with extended resolution
"Timbre" - aka "Tone Control", aka "Bass/Treble"

kokoon · Jun 28, 2003, 07:02 PM

how about a multi-band compressor? that would be nice. and if the pitch shifter had some more controls (precision?)...

Max M. · Jun 28, 2003, 08:10 PM

mbcomp - someday - this will be very interesting to write...
pitchshifter - well, it's written by Hanz, i dunno if i'll ever get into it (who knows though)...

dawkorn · Jun 29, 2003, 04:34 PM

Max,

I noticed on GainX, when you switch from one settings file to another, then back again, gainX will retain its Modified setting, but the knob itself visually resets to 0db

did you intend that?

Max M. · Jun 29, 2003, 07:01 PM

oh, thanks, i'll check...

dawkorn · Jun 30, 2003, 05:57 AM

Max,

could you take a look at my post here -

Feature Requests........

Some ideas for the plugins.......

Max M. · Jun 30, 2003, 08:13 AM

> That way if you remove the kx drivers, you dont delete your effects settings (when upgrading to later versions or debuging).

uniform plugins store their presets in their own registry entry (not in the driver's one) so custom presets are not lost when driver is installed/uninstalled (non-uniform plugins presets are really lost)...

i think i'll add presets export/import to/from file for backuping and sharing purposes, but everything else will stay in registry - just because it is generally faster and file-based settings are potentially less safe and could cause more problems/issues...

Max M. · Jul 2, 2003, 08:38 PM

package is updated to "1.31.02.3533"...
just some minor bug fixes.
(the link as usually is the same)

thanks,

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jul 4, 2003, 10:16 PM

>> non-uniform plugins presets are really lost

not exactly
they are left unchanged by kxsetup in the recent releases of the driver

>> backuping and sharing purposes

yep. that's the only reason for exporting / importing presets and storing them in files at the moment

/Eugene

dan_the_man · Jul 8, 2003, 05:51 AM

damn. i cant get the ufx.33. already searching with emule. dont understand all the russian words but maybe im from wrong country. Max dont stop working on it! I hope it will be included in 3534. Greetz.

Max M. · Jul 10, 2003, 06:12 AM

>i cant get the ufx.33
read out download tips earlier in this thread - do not double-click on the link - use "save target as..." instead.

>! I hope it will be included in 3534

It won't be included in the main driver package (at least for near future)

dan_the_man · Jul 10, 2003, 08:26 AM

thanx 4 that hint! so many posts in that thread - i must have missed one :-) Now I am downloading - very slow and dont know why - but downloading.

dan_the_man · Jul 10, 2003, 12:56 PM

after looking here and there I say: This should be the new standard! Only one fly in the soup: the 1-10-100 switches in the EQ-P5 look a little flat

fensoft · Jul 10, 2003, 03:50 PM

dont think he's flat but i think that theses new 'uniform' must be the new standarts for kX...

Max M. · Aug 3, 2003, 07:58 AM

package is updated to "1.31.03.3534"...

(changes: "import/export" user plugins to/from file, some minor ui improvements)

http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.34.exe

thanks,

NightBreed · Aug 4, 2003, 07:44 PM

Hello Max M. I've been periodicaly trying to download the latest dsp package and the link does not appear to work. I can get to the site that contains the download, however I am unable to actually download the file. Thanks in advanced for any response.

RIV@NVX · Aug 7, 2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NightBreed
Hello Max M. I've been periodicaly trying to download the latest dsp package and the link does not appear to work. I can get to the site that contains the download, however I am unable to actually download the file. Thanks in advanced for any response.

Try copying the link to your browser adress bar.

Soeren_B · Aug 7, 2003, 01:03 PM

Hmm. I can download with no problems. When I click the link I get a page with a lot of stuff in Russian. On the middle of the screen the link is shown (again) in plain western characters. Click that link and the downlaod starts.

/SB

NightBreed · Aug 9, 2003, 01:30 AM

Thanks for the response, I was able to download it after all.

RIV@NVX · Sep 6, 2003, 12:55 PM

Max, I am not sure if you noticed, but "Peak" was updated in 3534f compared to previous versions.

Can you update PeakX to have same "features"?

TravelRec. · Sep 11, 2003, 01:08 AM

Hi Max!

Thank you for the nice FX! Great work and an interesting look. Two questions (or suggestions) about the PeakX: is it possible to improve the contrast between active LEDs and the background? And is there a way to show individual names (if I renamed one in the DSP) like the Peak-FX?

Best regards!

TravelRec.

Max M. · Sep 12, 2003, 12:47 PM

Thanks, guys, for feedback and suggestions...

Riva

I'll check out what can be done with PeakX as soon as i can get my cards back (yep, unfortunally i have no kx-compatible card in my pc at this moment) - or will comment it (one way or another) if i can't make some features ... thanks...

TravelRec.

contrast - I'll take a look into that (black back?)...
And btw.. about Title... make sure that you use short names for peaks...
As you can see there are only 4-5 characters visible at PeakX title bar (so if you name it as "Peak FX" only "Peak" again is shown...) try to use shorter titles like "P1", P2" etc for example... (does it make sense to waste important screen space just for longer names?)
PeakX should reflect name changes of kX DSP - if it does not then it is a bug (again, i can't check it right now...)

thanks again...

TravelRec. · Sep 16, 2003, 01:41 AM

Hi Max!

Thanx for your reply! Black back would be fine I think (I like this colour anyway, but other users not?

), but it must not be. A piece darker maybe - relative to the other look around. The thing with the names I will try out next, comments will follow.

Best regards!

TravelRec.

TravelRec. · Sep 29, 2003, 01:36 PM

Hi Max!

Tested the PeakX with different short names: no reflection of them. Everytime the plugin shows "PeakX" in the name line, no matter what I typed.

Anyway, good work with EQ and PAREQ5!

With best regards!

TravelRec.

Robert McClelland · Sep 29, 2003, 10:52 PM

WOW cool I want try where did this thread come from lol I miss it

I try out hehehel

surealsurrender · Sep 30, 2003, 01:42 AM

First I want to say thanks to everyone involved with kx project. Outstanding work and I consider myself lucky to have access to thier power... I am of course including all the people who spend thier own time on fx and skins for all our benefit, Great work!

Anyway real reason for the post is to see if anyone else has noticed a funny behaviour from the surrounder effect when used in 2.1 Speaker Mode and "Use Sub/LFE Channel" is engaged "surround mode" is off "bass redirection" is on... Now if I watch my peak meter (peak is monitoring the front left and right) as I move the "split frequency (hz)" slider from right to left... My noise floor starts at -104dB when the split frequency is @ 310hz, but as I move the slider to the left the noise floor rises in the peak meter until at a split frequency of 10hz the noise floor is at -59dB. At first I thought maybe the noise is just there but when the split frequency is set high enough that noise is send to the sub, but if I just turn off "use sub/lfe channel" the noise floor drops back down to -104dB. Out of curiousity I added a peak meter at stereo_l and stereo_r out of xrouting and the peak meters read exactly the same as they do after the surrounder with sub/lfe channel off, but with it on it seems that at about 180hz on split frequency surrounder starts to introduce noise in the front stereo pair.

Maybe someone else has noticed this? Or maybe its just my system...

Kx Version: 5, 10, 00, 3534 - debug
uniform plugins ver 34
Audigy(sb0090) w/livedrive2
AthlonXP 1900
512 MB ram
WinXP

Thanks

Sur

Max M. · Oct 13, 2003, 09:38 AM

(ok, i'm back)

surealsurrender

yes, such misbehaviour is present. but it is not the noise - it's dc-offset actually... (although that -104dB noise you get when redirection is off (or at higher freqs) is noise from reverb...) As for dc-offset produced by bass-redirection scheme of surrounder then it's actually a problem of never enough precision for ultra low freqencies filtering (and this dc-offset is an issue of all (low-pass) filters available for kx today...)
There're technics for reducing this weird effect but it requires some additional dsp resources (for example, EQP5 contains some mehanism to reduce dc-offset when very low frequencies are affected - but you still can drive this eq into visible dc-offset if set three or more low frequency filter bands)...
So finally, since card's output stages (adcs and amps) successfully filter any dc away - probably it's not an ... idea to put "dc-fix" scheme into surrounder...

TravelRec.

Yep, i've checked this... Well, it's not an ufx issue but kxmixer's one (E., shouldn't iKXPlugin.name be updated immidiately when renaming from kX DSP? ah, anyway, "rename" event should be added for this) - e.g. neither ufx nor native plugins reflect name changes untill mixer and/or its settings are reloaded...
Well, this will be fixed. (i've already put some kludge into new package version which will be available as soon as i'll finish some new plugin)...

Riva

>Can you update PeakX to have same "features"?
btw. do you mean vertical/horisontal switch?

RIV@NVX · Oct 13, 2003, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max M.
btw. do you mean vertical/horisontal switch?

No, I mean the numbers.
3534f introduced two pairs of numbers: ones are current, other are the highest (and they can be reset).
I am not sure that PeakX has the "current" numbers and reset button (or I have missed something)?

But I must admit that I wouldn't have anything against an option to switch vertical/horizontal

Max M. · Oct 13, 2003, 12:23 PM

>3534f introduced two pairs of numbers: ones are current, other are the highest (and they can be reset).

i see.. then the answer for "current peak number" is "No" (sorry, you see current level by looking at leds of meter itself but exact current numbers actually have no phisical meaning in peak-meter. - my position is to not put questionable feature there just because it's easy to implement)

"reset" - well, you reset maximum peak lables in peakx just by clicking on labels itself (just like it's done for 99% of other peak meters - no need for reset button)

vertical/horisontal - maybe later...

ooh, what a cold answer, sorry

RIV@NVX · Oct 14, 2003, 02:52 PM

Not a problem, it's your decision.

Can you make a package for 3535rc2 or we should use 3534 one with it?

Daniel Drummond · Oct 14, 2003, 05:09 PM

Max's plugins are working with 3535rc2.

surealsurrender · Oct 15, 2003, 01:46 AM

Max

Thanks very much for the explaination of what goes on with bass redirection. As for fixes for it, I was hard pressed to notice the sound I was seeing in the peak meter. I must assume your correct that the cards adcs and amps do filter the DCoffset out.

Thanks for the information!

Cheers

Sur

Robert McClelland · Oct 16, 2003, 01:48 AM

Yea I notice that there working

and Yup me love alot bass

for movies hehe

Daniel Drummond · Oct 18, 2003, 07:46 PM

This may sound really weird but it does happen on my system. If I have REVERB R loaded and my speakers are set to a really loud volume (although with no sound coming through them), I only here normal speakers (amplification) hiss. If I unload REVERB R, I also here computer noise (high pitched noise). I have no clue why that happens. Can someone try it out and cofirm if this also happens on your system? You have to turn your speakers volume quite high to listen to it...

surealsurrender · Oct 20, 2003, 01:11 AM

Daniel

I checked this on my system and noticed much the same behaviour. What I believe is happening is that the noise floor of the reverb is masking the computer noise that you hear with no reverb plug loaded. If I look at the peak meter its clear that with Reverb R loaded noise floor is much higher then without it so its basically just one very quiet sound (reverb hiss) drowning out an even quieter one (computer noise). This is all just guess work on my part and would certainly not object to correction if anyone else has a better hypothesis. In the end tho I don't think it matters that much because if I listen back to my raw tracks at any volume that is not painfully loud I can't hear those computer noises at all... they may be there but the program signal is almost 90db louder... talk about drowning it out!

Anyone else have a better explaination?

Sur

Max M. · Oct 20, 2003, 11:22 AM

sounds interesting... what about same test at master level = -inf. (in mixer)?

HunterZ · Oct 21, 2003, 04:58 AM

I installed the UFX v34 package over the top of kX 3535 Alpha, and it seems to work fine. Unfortunately, it replaced the kX Surrounder effect with its own. I have some questions:

1. Is the UFX v34 Surrounder different than the kX 3535 Alpha one, or is it just the graphics in the DSP and Tweak windows that are different?
2. Is there a way to have both Surrounders available in the list at the same time?

I also have some feedback:
1. The web site is poorly maintained. A page is missing, the news is out of date, and there are no links to the newest version. It also loaded very slowly I think.
2. It would be cool if the UFX effects didn't overwrite any of the official kX effects. As far as I can tell, only the Surrounder effect gets overwritten, but as a rule I think the UFX effects should be separate (maybe even in their own menu category in the effects list if that is possible)
htt

Max M. · Oct 21, 2003, 05:30 AM

1. Well, surrounder shipped with driver is written on the base of ufx one and for now only "graphics" differs.

2. What for?

3. Which web site?

4. Why cool?

The reason for replacement is simple - personally, i don't want to load and connect ufx's surrounder and eq manually (it's about 20 mouse clicks) each time i reset dsp settings or install new driver version...
Anyway, you can always turn off ufx replacements via registry
(replace "kxufx.kxl" with "kxfxlib.kxl" at "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\kX\Plugins")
(To cancel all of replacements simply double-click on "kxfxlib.kxl" file)

HunterZ · Oct 21, 2003, 01:19 PM

1, 2 & 4. If the kX Surrounder or other replaced effects ever differ from the UFX one, replacing would be a bad thing because it would mean that using UFX would require giving up the ability to use the official versions of the replaced effects. I understand what you mean about reconnecting things though

3. I worked backwards from the download URL that I saw here somewhere: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/index.html
The page that is missing is plugins.html. Whoa, I just went back there and when I reloaded the page I got a 404 error! Did the site move?

I also forgot to mention that I like the graphics that the UFX effects use on the DSP window and in the tweak menus, and I also like the reverb effect a LOT.

Max M. · Oct 22, 2003, 12:41 AM

1, 2, 4.

The word "Official" sounds strange here. I, as the author of both, don't see any problem here... Anyway, if you feel better with one shipped with driver package you can get it back (as i wrote above).

3. http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/index.html - ? I never heard of such, sorry.

HunterZ · Oct 22, 2003, 02:49 PM

Strange. Is there an official site and/or download URL?

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Oct 22, 2003, 03:36 PM

>> http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/index.html - ? I never heard of such, sorry.

you won't belive me, Max, but I saw that page, too -- it was available via 'google' or 'yandex' search engine

some kxdev secrets?

/E

Max M. · Oct 22, 2003, 04:06 PM

maybe you've occasionally got to some of the test pages i use to put there from time to time?

Robert McClelland · Oct 23, 2003, 10:37 PM

Max do you still have 34's DSP set I only could find the 33's DSP set?

TravelRec. · Oct 24, 2003, 01:07 AM

Hi!

Try this:

www.electricstart.de/kxdrdir.htm

ItÂ´s an official kx-mirror and UFX34 is on it!

Cheers!

TravelRec.

mAlo · Oct 26, 2003, 04:01 AM

Max can you please compile a mono version of the EQ P5? just to free some gpr registers?
And, if you have time, an "only" stereo Reverb R?

thanks a lot in advance

bye

Max M. · Oct 26, 2003, 09:02 AM

Well, let's think... yep, maybe it could make sence...
although mono version of EQ will use ~75% of resources comparing to stereo one (not 50%)...
Heh, the only disadvantage i can see here is that menu of effects will look weird (imagine "EQP5", "EQP5 (Mono)", "EQG10", "EQG10 (Mono)" :) But who cares... Ok, then...

>an "only" stereo Reverb R?

You mean to remove 2 additional outputs (e.g. "quadro ones")?
This will save only two intructions and just two registers...

mAlo · Oct 26, 2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max M.
Well, let's think... yep, maybe it could make sence...
although mono version of EQ will use ~75% of resources comparing to stereo one (not 50%)...
Heh, the only disadvantage i can see here is that menu of effects will look weird (imagine "EQP5", "EQP5 (Mono)", "EQG10", "EQG10 (Mono)" But who cares... Ok, then...
...

thanks a lot!

In my opinion every gpr reg worth gold!
even some Waves plug-ins have their mono version!

Polliwog · Nov 11, 2003, 04:10 PM

WOW!

I was really missing something! I knew that there was a party going on, but...
I was unable to try these things until now (was in 3535).
Last night was the night.

So, CONGRATULATIONS to MAX and all the contributers, testers,..

Where do I start?
The GUI is most impressive, very "design". (everybody's jaw must dropped too at the first "tweak" or "double-click")
The knobs and sliders are great but it's the little slots for the wiring that really turned my crank. Nice.
Of course the VU meters are great, the fine markings and subtle colors give them a real precision look.
The EQ Graph is really nice too.
10/10! Full notes everywhere.

The presets are great. They deliver exactly what their names say.
Having a few well-balanced presets always helps getting good results fast.
The EQ and REVERB give a lot of warmth and realism (using acoustic and electric guitars).
This is professional equipment.

Any more of these babies and I will run out of resources fast!
I guess I have to get a 10k2 now eh?
(no, it's ordered).

BRAVO!

Cheers,
Paul.

Jan 24, 2003, 12:17 AM	#1
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	plugins for testing Guys, i have a news for you. From now an on, the UFX package is not anymore free of charge - it becomes "commercial". If you've downloaded and used it before 4th November of 2007 - you're still free to use it. But right form today and further, the UFX's author asks you to donate some amount of money you feel affordable for you to "Podari Zhizn'!" relief fund. It's a fund to help the children suffering from oncological and hematologic sickness. The requisites you need are: Ôîíä Ïîäàðè æèçíü! Ðåêâèçèòû If you do not want to help these particular Russian children or you're feeling you don't like Russia whatever it goes - it's OK - we don't want to force you - it's equal if you just do the same for the children of your own country. Please - do so. Max promises you - these kids will gift to our next generation thousands of new UFXs - just if they do not die. Thank You, Max Mikhailov __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Nov 11, 2007 at 02:22 AM.

Jan 24, 2003, 10:24 PM	#3
Hanz Petrov kX Project Counsel Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	all your fx are belong to us Screenshots here for the unbelievers :-) http://www3.sympatico.ca/abvj/ p.s. Thanks for the idea on the theme Soeren :-) can't believe I missed it the first time around.. :-P Last edited by Hanz Petrov; Jan 24, 2003 at 10:45 PM.

Jan 24, 2003, 10:34 PM	#4
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Nice look and sound! Great job! __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Jan 25, 2003, 08:20 AM	#7
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Max you are in one word - KING. Or maybe emperor... THIS RULES! Thanks! burN 'eM __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 25, 2003, 10:46 PM	#9
ksk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: malaysia Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	Good good good thumb up!!!!

Jan 24, 2003, 09:48 AM	#2
Soeren_B kX Project DSP Engineer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0	Hi Max This is very nice work /Soeren

Jan 25, 2003, 07:43 AM	#6
Samir kX Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 521 Rep Power: 0	Hehe, seems like someone, somehow, managed to stick good old reverb into my computer monitor... Reminds me of an good old time! kX rules! Decki, svaka cast!

Jan 25, 2003, 09:53 AM	#8
Hanz Petrov kX Project Counsel Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	Heya Riva :-) So if Max is king/emporer, what does that make Eugene...? Sumpreme kX Being? ;-) All hail the kX team! p.s. Thanks for setting us up here Riva - DriverHeaven is very cool.. although I kinda miss the pop-up ads.. NOT! :-)

Jan 26, 2003, 04:53 AM	#10
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	It would be cool to have more plugins this way __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 26, 2003, 12:20 PM	#11
inteks DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0	mega cool thats looks mega cool !!! is the new driver completely in that style ??? can't await it. have fun tom __________________ http://ufmclan.de http://unitedFlakMonkeys.de

Jan 26, 2003, 09:48 PM	#12
ksk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: malaysia Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	suggestion... i selected "rock" preset in the EQ G10. after i reopen the tweak options of this plugin, it shows "custom" in the preset. it should be show "rock" not "custom". show "custom" only if we change the options of the "preset"

Jan 27, 2003, 05:12 AM	#13
bardnone DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	cool It's so cool

Jan 27, 2003, 08:59 PM	#14
TheKezmiester DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	ohhh yeah! ...Now you've really outdone yourself this time Max! This is a very good thing...

Jan 28, 2003, 09:01 AM	#15
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	@ksk - Timbre has the same issue. Hope that Max can fix it... @inteks - I hope too - looks professional, doesn't it? __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 28, 2003, 12:10 PM	#16
strangeloop DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Leiden, The Netherlands Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Yeah! They're looking great and sounding even better! Thank you! I'm also hoping (and expecting) this is going to be the new GUI style... it's very nice. One very little remark about the choose-preset menu: most dropout menus (that's what they call it, isn't it? I'm not sure in English) in Windows come falling down if you click anywhere on them, and not only if you click on the rightmost arrow. __________________ This inert sentence is my body, but my soul is alive, dancing in the sparks of your brain

Feb 8, 2003, 07:24 AM	#17
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Hmmm... doesn't work with 3529 (actually messes it up completely). Max, can you do an update? __________________ -- Vedran

Feb 8, 2003, 12:06 PM	#18
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	Thanks. Of course it does not work with 29. Did not i say this before? Update? ha-ha "update"... i have to rewrite everything.... __________________

Feb 8, 2003, 01:21 PM	#20
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	of course, however i cannot promise it will be too soon... __________________

Feb 9, 2003, 04:00 PM	#21
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	hello again. update for 29 is available: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufxsetup.exe previous version (28) is still available as http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufxsetup.28.exe This is not update we've talked above but experimental update based on special "28 on 29" emulator instead. thanks. __________________

Feb 10, 2003, 09:39 AM	#22
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,480 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Suggestion - use "save target as", it will not work otherwise. I will test it... nice to see such a quick update! __________________ -- Vedran

Feb 16, 2003, 04:41 PM	#23
eyagos DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 0	Good work Max, very good. Smart and precise design. I think too that the design job is nearly over (except some small bugs). The final step would be a "smarter" design for the level meters, so they could be included in some plugin windows as Compressor or Equalizer: - I have modified the APS Compressor plugin so the gain can be monitored with a peak plugin, and it would be fantastic if it could be included in the same window (you can get the kxl (for 3529) in a post of this forum). - In the Equalizer I have observed that some presets produce clipping, and it would be grate too if it could be monitored in the same window (with less than 1% of resources more). And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too. Another thing, will be this gui avaliable in the SDK?

Feb 18, 2003, 08:21 AM	#24
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	Thank you. peakmeters - yep, actually EQG10 had build-in peak-meter (in some alpha vers.) but i've decided to remove it. The truth is that we've already run out of dsp resources (so that in next kx ver 30 -Timbre is used instead of EQ for SBLive models...)... So actually i'm thinking about some "smarter" peakmeter architecture - like maybe peakmeter as separate "child" plugin which can be loaded/unloaded automatically when user enables/disables metering, but with view of it from same EQ window of course... As for compressor, yep, i think, the good way will be to put peakmeter right into compressor code... actually, there's nothing difficult to do this... Also i'm not sure about 29, but for 28 and all of erlier versions it could be done without any special controls/functions of kx (see instructions below)... >with less than 1% of resources more yep, but see above, Live have no even 1% of resource this days (damn mixer ... >And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too. Presets for EQ are designed with "same volume subjective feel" in mind, so yep, clipping may of course occure for some material depending on its spectral content... >And an automatic gain control to avoid clipping would be very apreciated too. But not built into EQ itself. "Input Gain" is there exactly for such situation. Separate "Limiter" or "AGC" plugins put before output stage of kx dsp would be another option (but not loaded by default). >Another thing, will be this gui avaliable in the SDK? Some day. It's actually hard a bit to publish something solid these days, since native kxgui and so uniform (kxgui independend but somewhat linked to ) are being constantly updated now... Also i'd prefer to concentrate on writing plugins themselves raither then on making SDK for them at the moment. I'll publish some example sources for "uniform" soon maybe, although, i don't think they will be too usefull without any documentation. --------- PeakMeter --------- (i've posted this on some mailing list some days ago) --------- Code: name "peak meter"; created "07/23/2002"; input in static peak temp t log t, in, 31i, 1i limit peak, t, t, peak end just read the value of "peak" register on some timer (for example ~16 times per second) and write zero to it after reading... #define UNITY_GAIN_COEFF 0x78000000L // this is for standard 0.25 level #define MAGIC_NUMBER 0xaaaaaaaa ValueToShow = (peak - UNITY_GAIN_COEFF) / MAGIC_NUMBER; /* this for example gives you ValueToShow right in decibels... (of course you need more presice measurement so you need to decrease MAGIC_NUMBER or make ValueToShow to be float/double... - i use MAGIC_NUMBER = 0x111111 which gives me ValueToShow in centibels, Eugene uses some other "floating point" formula as i know etc... that depends on how you are going to show "peak" to user) / /max ----------- Well, as for visual implementation, so before kx29, one could use MFC's CProgressCtrl for example or something similiar... However, these days, maybe it's too late to use MFC with native kx plugin api (since kxapi/kxgui are being rewritten to be MFC free) and too early too use new kxgui for that (since it is not yet complete, E., fixme, is special control dedicated to peakmetering there?)... __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Feb 18, 2003 at 08:30 AM.*

Mar 2, 2003, 09:58 PM	#25
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Update to 3530? Please? Thanks!!! __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Mar 2, 2003, 10:42 PM	#26
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	yes, of course - http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.30.exe __________________

Mar 2, 2003, 11:19 PM	#27
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Hey, that was fast! Thank you very much! KX 3530 kicks ass, specially with these great plugins... 2 asses kicked... update just tested them and they're working just fine. Even my saved settings are working ok. __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed Last edited by Daniel Drummond; Mar 2, 2003 at 11:28 PM.

Mar 4, 2003, 07:32 PM	#28
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	(3 pages "Getting Started" draft for "Reverb R" is available as http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/reverb_r.pdf) __________________

Mar 5, 2003, 08:38 AM	#29
zonta DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	ufxsetup.exe...the link is down...

Mar 5, 2003, 11:16 AM	#30
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	28: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.28.exe 29: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.29.exe 30: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.30.exe __________________

Mar 27, 2003, 01:08 PM	#32
Max M. d/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,412 Rep Power: 47	31: http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.31.exe __________________

Apr 30, 2003, 11:47 PM	#33
ksk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: malaysia Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	hmm..... when for 3532?

May 1, 2003, 12:13 PM	#35
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,037 Rep Power: 56	3531 kXU release should work correctly with 3532 driver /Eugene

May 5, 2003, 07:03 AM	#36
jules DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Paris Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Hi everybody, I am interested in your development about creative soundcards since The APS driver were not supported under XP(~2 years ago I think). You're doing a good job. Thanks to you, I will not get rid of my Audigy I trying to download the beta plugin you talking about with this link (http://kxdev.narod.ru/ufx/ufxsetup.31.exe) but it doesn't works, I don't understand a word...could you help me? Escuse me for my bad english. Thanks a lot.

May 6, 2003, 03:11 AM	#37
ksk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: malaysia Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	what do u mean it doesnt works? before installing the plugin -exit kx manager first -install this plugin -restart kx manager if u install it porperly... -some plugin with nice skin -few new plugins available -these plugins are with presets CHECK kX DSP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May 6, 2003, 09:09 AM	#38
jules DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Paris Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	The link doesn't works. It send me on a Russian html or something like that and I don't speak Russian....What's wrong? Thanks.

May 7, 2003, 04:12 AM	#39
BiCho DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BogotÃ¡, Colombia Posts: 155 Rep Power: 0	DRIVER go to www.kxproject.com and check the link on your right, it says 'latest driver version' __________________ descubre nueva música www.sonidolocal.com WinXPSP2 authentic running SB0240 MIDIOX-Plogue-Bidule-Traktor-Reaktor-Tracktion-Smartelectronix-ndcplugs-Tobybear Native Instruments rep. iCommons Affiliate