NEW:'Analog' Synth (DSP-instrument)

Lex Nahumury · Jun 10, 2005, 01:35 AM

Tip for anyone using this synth;

When you have made your own Custom Presets,
make sure you Export them to a .kxp file once a while!

This will prevent Preset loss when you do a 'Global kX Reset Settings'.

(Sorry for the big font, but people tend to overlook important posts)

/LeMury

TravelRec. · Jun 10, 2005, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

Tip for anyone using this synth;

When you have made your own Custom Presets,
make sure you Export them to a .kxp file once a while!

This will prevent Preset loss when you do a 'Global kX Reset Settings'.

(Sorry for the big font, but people tend to overlook important posts)

/LeMury

Of course, they do sometimes

, thanks for the tip anyway.

@trevbushell: found the Midi-FX in CubaseSX, it is called "Controller" (what else

) and can be inserted in a midi-track to control all possible cc-messages via faders. You can open more panels to get more faders at a time (if your monitor is big enough

).

trevbushell · Jun 10, 2005, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

@trevbushell;

Did you loose the manual trev ?.

lol ! actually yes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

Note;
All this is 'standard midi stuff' not kX or ASynth speficic
?.

yes i know, which was why i said "I'll understand if you dont want to explain"

thanks anyway Lemury and Travelrec.... all tutoring greatly recieved from a guy without much knowledge around all things technical!!! Wouldnt it be good if the music programs just knew what you wanted to do, intuitively!

Lex Nahumury · Jun 10, 2005, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trevbushell

..yes i know, which was why i said "I'll understand if you dont want to explain"

No, that's not the case.
I wrote that note "..All this is 'standard midi stuff' not kX or ASynth speficic.."
so that people understand that standard conventions are beeing used here.
Not some new 'invention' making things more difficult then they already are.

/LeMury

trevbushell · Jun 10, 2005, 07:44 AM

Ah, ok thanks lemury, i thought i was being 'told off' for posting a question that wasnt kx related!

just to say... this site is great thanks to people like you, travelrec, russ etc etc... i've learnt more (in the last few weeks ive been acessing the site) about computer music production and how to use the power i have from my APS card more than i have learn't since i brought the card 7 years ago!!!

so thanks for answering all my what i percieve as probably very simple, newbie questions!
trev

DK-1 · Jun 13, 2005, 05:55 PM

Lemury, TravelRec,

Sorry I didn't post a quick reply to your last response. I have been busy doing as you suggest. USING THE DSP! You couldn't have been more right. Thanks again. I created a DSP with 3 instances of the Asynth, still have cubase working properly, soundfonts are working etc. All using the dsp and not the kx mixer. I haven't noticed any noticable probs. One question (KEEP IN MIND I AM STILL LEARNING). I am using SRC and MX6 inside the DSP as well as ASIO. What should I connect the Asynth to to give me the best sound and the most instances (I would like 6). I currently have the instances of Asynth connected directly to the MX6. Should I have them connected to ASIO? Hope this is not a crazy question. Thanks again for a great job with the drivers, Asynth and your advice to us KX users.

TravelRec. · Jun 14, 2005, 01:49 AM

If you dont wish to affect the sound of ASynth by something, you can also connect the instances directly with the ASIO plugin. Cancelling the mixer will free up some GPRs that can used then with more ASynth instances. ASynth volume then can be controlled via automation (midi cc) out of cubase. I think, you will discover a lot of funny things in the next time while working with the plugs and the DSP

! Please post your sound-files here!!!

Lex Nahumury · Jun 14, 2005, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DK-1

What should I connect the Asynth to to give me the best sound and the most instances (I would like 6).

6 ASynth instances won't fit in a SBLive(10k1 based card). (4 at most).
You would need an Audigy (10k2 based card) which has twice as much dsp resources,
or use a second card.

What do you mean by; "best sound"?
"best sound" in terms of Instrument sound is a relative thing. (matter of taste)
"best sound" in terms of (digital) audio quality follows the same rules laid down for any digital audio system.
Which in this case roughly boils down to;
keep digital signal levels as high as possible but without clipping.(especialy when recording)

/LeMury

DK-1 · Jun 14, 2005, 09:19 AM

Thanks for the reply. 4 Synth instances will be great. I may try the direct ASIO connection but that isn't a must since it seems to work fine connected to the MX6. By "best sound" I mean the quality of the sound(which is digital and therefore should be good quality) and low latency. I would think latency isn't an issue since Asynth runs from the chip? Is that correct? Sorry if I sometimes seem ignorant to some of the correct terms when discussing the DSP and features, I am still learning. Thanks again.

Lex Nahumury · Jun 14, 2005, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DK-1

I would think latency isn't an issue since Asynth runs from the chip? Is that correct?

Yep that is correct.
Of course there is always 'latency' (response time might be a better word),
but not in the sense of VSTi softsynths.

/LeMury

kokoon · Jun 15, 2005, 03:04 AM

note that if you connect the synth to ASIO and mix it in Cubase you will be dealing with asio latency.

Tiger M · Jun 15, 2005, 03:38 AM

LeMury, why have you encrypted the microcode that way, I find that very funny.

Lex Nahumury · Jun 15, 2005, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokoon

note that if you connect the synth to ASIO and mix it in Cubase you will be dealing with asio latency.

That goes for *any* signal connected that way.

/LeMury

kokoon · Jun 15, 2005, 08:07 AM

yeah sure i thought it was worth mentioning

Tiger M · Jun 15, 2005, 11:15 AM

I think you misunderstood. I asked why do you try to hide your code (not that it's very effectively hidden

). Other wise I think the result is good, I like it.

Lex Nahumury · Jun 15, 2005, 02:46 PM

Leave it be Tiger!

/LeMury

Tiger M · Jun 15, 2005, 02:57 PM

Ok, as you wish...

kokoon · Jun 16, 2005, 03:35 AM

uhh come on guys.

trevbushell · Jun 16, 2005, 05:06 PM

hello,
had some fun with your synth lemury, thanx!

heres the result. i think im a bit wierd with regard to songwriting than most, so may be a bit too eklectic for most... its just a bit of fun really to show how you can make a dark bit of music with the Asynth sounds.

ALL the tracks were made by Asynth thro dsp (apart from drums... of course this could change if lemury invents a dspdrum machine!!!

lol) all fx are dsp too! well done all you guys who have worked hard making these fx plugins they are great!

http://www.enginecreations.com/trevb/mp3/trevb/asynthomania.mp3

anyway ther you go, hope you like it.
EDIT-its only 182kb so quick to download but not such good quality!
trev

Lex Nahumury · Jun 16, 2005, 08:34 PM

Whow....that really sounds great!
Very cool patch programming and I really do like the composition.
Could you perhaps provide a better mp3 quality version?

FYI; I'm working on an 'Analog Drum Machine' to complement ASynth.

/LeMury

thomasabarnes · Jun 16, 2005, 08:47 PM

That was really cool, trevbushell!.

Great news about the Drum Machine, LeMury!

TravelRec. · Jun 16, 2005, 11:45 PM

Hey trev,

great idea - cool sound - want more of this

, yeah better mp3 please!

trevbushell · Jun 17, 2005, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

Whow....that really sounds great!
Very cool patch programming and I really do like the composition.
Could you perhaps provide a better mp3 quality version?

FYI; I'm working on an 'Analog Drum Machine' to complement ASynth.

/LeMury

Thanks everyone for the feedback, yes its a great synth isnt it! so powerful and versatile. yeah i really like the song too and will probably work on it more and give it to travelrec for his c.d project! (great idea travelrec)

Lemury re drum machine- Wow... if you do half as a good a job on drum nachine as you did on the Asynth I cant wait to get my hands on it! Cos the Asynth is mind blowing... i think some of the reason why, is because its so simple to control and use, i have loads of soft synths at my disposal and havent really used them much. but the asynth... well ive spent hours on it already, playing with it and stuff. the sounds are divine! brilliant work lemury....

EDIT- the only way i can get the better quality is give you a big 4.5mb 48,000hz mp3 file im afraid at the mo. because every time i export audio from cubase to 44,000 hz 320kbits mp3 it loses quality! Am i doing something wrong travelrec?
http://www.enginecreations.com/trevb/mp3/trevb/asynthomania.mp3

also im not the best at mixing, any tips to improve the song mix wise?
trev

Lex Nahumury · Jun 17, 2005, 09:17 AM

May I put a link to your tune in the first post when you are done Trev?

/LeMury

trevbushell · Jun 17, 2005, 10:09 AM

sure , be very honoured lemury.

I'd be happy for you to put this latest one in now if you like..........as it will be a few weeks til i finish this song (5 yr old child, wife, baby on way, job etc etc etc !)

is the last song I posted better for you quality wise?

trev

Lex Nahumury · Jun 17, 2005, 11:08 AM

Yes, this one will do just fine. It sounds really great to me!
(No need to rush/finish the whole song. Private life is much more important!)
Could you add some short text description like how many ASynth Instances etc. etc. or whatever you like to mention?

/LeMury

trevbushell · Jun 17, 2005, 12:00 PM

ok...no probs.

song "asynthomania" -ALL of song (but drums) made with asynth!

profx setup...
2 midi controlled Asynths in dsp into mx6 with 2 effect sends.
1 Uart Asynth added in dsp thro mx6 with effects to allow further layering of ASIO recorded asynth parts.
(3 asynths is max that dsp will allow you to squeeze in!)
All sent into cubase and mixed. lots of slider tweaking during recording in real time.....So easy and sooo much fun! Oh joy!! many thanks to lemury (and travelrec for setup tips).
trev

Lex Nahumury · Jun 17, 2005, 12:39 PM

Link added. Thanks Trev!