Lex Nahumury

Yes, those color thingies give a more direct visual feedback on switch state.
However I must draw some 'Leds' first that match with the rest/background.
(and boy,.. do I hate that drawing)
Before you know it looks to Bling Bling.!

thomasabarnes

LOL LeMury!!!

Well, Bilng Bling those LEDs.

You and kX are making history. Then, to be honest. The great look and performance of kX makes an individual not want to get a semi pro or professional sound card cause such great looks, performance, routing flexibility, and fimiliarity connected with kX would be hard to beat (and I dont think the routing flexibility can ever be beaten)!! Still, if one has the money, the higher sample rate and bit depth potential of the high end sound cards (even in ASIO mode), is a great temptation for the grabing, but I will always have my Audigy, so I will always have the latest version of kX to cherish (as long as WinXP is around).

So in conclusion, Bling Bling with the LEDs, LOL!!! That is, if possible, and if not too much trouble.

kX, Rock On!!!!

Edited, mostly for typos.

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Lex Nahumury

Lol. Nah, I've already spend to much time on the graphics as it is.
I'm a programmer, not a graphics artist so feel free to get your
favorite drawing program 'out of the closet' .

Something else though;
Nobody mentioned the addition of the build-in Peak meter in ADC.
I thought it would come in handy for those "..Help can't get signal in Guitar Rig.."
or (one of my favorites) "..Help my Mic doesn't work..".
Oh well, it's probably because those guys who take the effort to respond here
are kX regulars who ofcourse already know how to connect a Peakmeter .

Lex Nahumury

Ah, I forgot to mention:

The original idea of adding a Peak meter to ADC
was to monitor the ideal/maximum analog input level.

Those of you who have ever recorded dynamic analog input
signals like Vocals, Bass guitar etc. without the use
of an external compressor/limiter know how
easily one can clip the ADC.

Now, there is NO way you can tell/see if the ADC has clipped
or is clipping since the maximum ADC output cannot go beyond 0dB.
Neither DSP nor sequencer can detect wheter the ADC has clipped.
(unless there's some accessable saturaton bit available in ADC device)

So without external equipment we set the input level
low enough so that clipping is unlikely to occure.
In general we ask the vocalist to sing out loud or wank our guitar and
set the highest input peak/transient somewhere around -3dB right?

Well, to aid in setting/monitoring this level I thought of adding a
clip/hold indicator with adjustable threshold somewhere between -6..0dB.
This indicator will remain lit if the set treshold is exceeded
by the input signal.

Any interest, or does everyone uses outboard gear like me?
(or am I talking rubbish here..)

Another related idea I had sometime ago
was adding an auto-attenuation feature for AC97 device.
As soon as input signal reaches 0dB the plugin would
automaticly lower analog AC97 gain.
Unfortunatly only AC97 Mixer can attenuate input signals
and the ac97 volume registers produce clicks when changed.

Anyway I thought I'd share some thoughts here.

/LeMury

thomasabarnes

Forgive my French, LeMury, but awl chit! Man it's gonna take some time for me to figure out how to make a skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I'm gonna have some off line time here soon, so anybody got some recomendations for a program that can be used to do this (Russ maybe)? That takes some programming knowledge, too, doesnt it?! Awl, chit!!!!

LeMury, you know, I didnt even notice the peak meter in ADC til you mentioned it, (nice). I had to stop reading and go look. duh...

The other stuff you mentioned is over my head. Surely, someone else will reply.

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Lex Nahumury

Lol no programming!
It's 'just' drawing pictures with a photo editor like Photoshop or even MS Paint..!

Russ

I saw the peak meter but did not realize it was new (been a while since I used the newer ProFX). In any case it is a good idea.

Personally, I use the peak meter method of adjusting the volume as you described above. I think it would be cool if there was some kind of learning mode, where you could just jam away and it finds the optimal level and sets it (auto attenuation/gain, but only while learning mode is on, etc).

thomasabarnes

OK, since the minds are here now LMAO, But, that's serious! OK, LeMury are you saying I make LEDs for MX6 using Photoshop, for example? Man, any kind of guidance tips you can give would be appreciated.

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Maddogg6

This sounds like a great idea - no matter what equipment is plugged in - 'witness' marks of peak levels (like used in sonar w/ 'peak record' - on) would be helpfull for sure.

To add to Russ' idea...
Could a button like in 'NI Guitar Rig' be used? - after pressing, a peak level is 'sensed' and a gain is adjusted based on the 'sensed' peak level sampled. So, the click only happens 1 time, when a user would expect it.
So, in the case with ADC - what ever input is 'active' would be sampled and its associated slider is adjusted.
May need a threshold control?? - or logic somehow that; if input is too weak or not long enough during level detecting / sampling AND if no 'cancel' is detected -> retry.

I dunno - maybe a stupid idea - ?? - But I like how that works in guitar rig anyway.

Id think this would be possible tho.

Lex Nahumury

Yes, provided they are any good of course.
Anyone with artistic skills and some photo editor can provide/contribute bitmaps to
me or any other kX programmer.
All those cool looking VSTs you see out there are 'just' a collection of bitmaps
made by some (proffesional) graphics artist who generaly knows nothing about programming.
In turn the programmer (who generaly has no painting skils) displays those bitmaps
on screen with some programming 'magic', and voila there you have a photo realistic slider, knob, peak meter etc that 'moves' and looks just like the real thing.

Lex Nahumury

Sure, Eyagos AGC does something similair.
Auto-leveleling is 'his stuff' so to speak.
The only difference here is that we would like to auto-control ac97 analog gain.

But the features you mentioned can be realized.
Perhaps a nice project for you to work on??

Lex Nahumury

Yep that was what I had in mind too.
But like I mentioned, there are some issues in controling AC97 volume/gain registers.
Attenuation only works on the mixer section which has very bad snr figures.
But perhaps when using UDA this shouldn't be much of a problem.

ROBSCIX

I also use outboard gear and I usually setup just the way you said..now that peak meter will make my setup alot easier and will help achieve optimal levels..So as it cannot go higher than 0.0 db then one would have to get it as high as possible without it hitting 0.0 that would be the idea...but bofre it was a guess or one could hook a peak meter in..but this helps alot..I actually just opened the ADC I didn't notice it the first time...Thx though I am sure it will help alot.

thomasabarnes

LeMury:

I sent you a PM concerning the LED indicators for MX6 and ADC.

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bzdang

The ADC peak meter is great for me, setting up loudspeaker test measurements, very convenient. Thanks for it !

Lex Nahumury

Your welcome.
Currently the peak meter is always connected to ac97 output
even if UDA is available (10k2 cards only)
I'll probably add a selection switch later on.
Ok, mail is fine to.
If you use mail please start the subject with;
kX Project: <subject>
else my spam filter kicks it.

thomasabarnes

LeMury:

The bitmaps for my try at getting some LED indicators for the new MX6 and ADC can be downloaded from here as 2 .zip files: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/thomas...m+Pics&.view=l

If you dont decide to use them, there are no hard feelings. Thanks for such great plugins.

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miguel

thomasabarnes, it's a bit more involved process than that. Usually a skin is split into many tiny bitmaps for buttons and the like. So for example a single "on" led might be used for all enabled leds in the skin. So you'd need to extract the bitmaps from LeMury's kxl file and edit those you'd like to, keeping sizes of the bitmaps the same. Anyway I understand LeMury's wish for simplicity because it can get a bit of a nightmare to do a whole skin from scratch.

Still I took the liberty of replacing the leds in LeMury's skin. I'll mail them to him and he'll decide if they fit better. They seem to work fine here.

http://www.hostmypic.info/uploads/8a1a17b88c.jpg

Lex Nahumury

@Thomas: I've PMed you.
@miquel: I've mailed you.

ROBSCIX

I must say those LED's look very very sweet..nice work you guys..

thomasabarnes

Hey man, that's not bad, if you ask me. Also, I think I uderstand what to do, now. Thanks for the info.

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dj_stick

back to the clip indicator idea
i really like that one, i myself have no outboard gear (yet) apart from a couple of mixers, so i'd find that one really useful.

Is it possible to add one per channel (left/right)? As i'd have different input signals going through each channel

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Lex Nahumury

Yes of course they will be separate
just as the meters are.

SUN

Hi LeMury,

only a short report:

I don't believe what i see in my Task Manager:
KXMixer now only use 0 to 2 % CPU Power! Great !!!

thanks 4 this fine work again

SUN

Lex Nahumury

I'm glad someone noticed.

imperia

please can you fix that problem for windows 2003 too?

John Lodge

I am getting a bit of erratic behaviour that I have not found a pattern to.

Recording using ADC with UDA I sometimes have to toggle the UDA and the ADC mixer selector.

There seems to be a tug-of-war going on with kx mixer going back and forth between Master and AC97 panels toggles the AC97 green dot.

However something else is happening. In Abobe Audition 1.5 the record input dissapears and resetting all the controls does not fix it. I have to keep changing things to get it back.

Not sure if it is one or more issues together.

In any case when it is working: the green dot in the AC97 KX mixer page is not lit.

And HQ with floating point work properly for wave input to Audition.

When it does not work it is just about pick the whole thing up and shake it.

Also the toggle issue in ADC when fixed, then in MX6 shows audio and plays through the speakers but still does not give output to HQ or to 0/1.

But there is still some realationship between the former and the latter.

Lex Nahumury

As mentioned before, one can't use the ADC plugin and operating kXMixer AC97 page the same time.
Well, you can ofcourse but that's asking for trouble,
Both kxmixer and ADC can and do access physical AC97 device when operated
but there is no notification between them whatsoever.

Can't say much about the rest of your questions since I don't
have/use Abobe Audition and never use HQ.

Lex Nahumury

ok, next update wil be somewhere this week.

Russ

One thing that might be good for the ADC plugin, is to have it re-sync itself with the hardware registers when the tweak window is opened, and/or via a sync button.

i.e.
When you open kxmixer, or force a page to reload, in most cases, it reads the registers, and thus reflects the state of those registers. If ADC acted similairly, it would help to keep it synced with kxmixer (and the registers themselves).

I imagine a couple different possibilities:
Either it reads the registers, and if they are different from ADC's settings, it then resets them to match ADC's current settings, or, it reads the regsiters, and if they are different from ADC's current settings, it updates ADC's settings and gui, to reflect the registers.