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Old Apr 13, 2004, 02:42 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #91
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hmmm...Seems someone has an agenda here?
Anywho, pardon my butting-in.
I'm currently running some benchmarks with REAL benchmarks applications. I'll add the results to my article and post back here when finished. However, I've found that due to the way benchmarks work, or rather what they are targeted to do, it is VERY hard to benchmark tweaks.

A word about tweaks and tweaking applications...

Any intelligent person should know not to use something when they do not know what it does.
Any intelligent and experienced PC user should know better than to use an application without understanding what it does. Many people are familiar with the tweaks/registry changes that TuneXP makes. However, as I suggested in the article it would be good for future versions of TuneXP to contain that information. The same conclusion applies to tweaking your system manually.

Tweaks are not ment to be applied at random. One should understand what they do and pick and choose which they wish to apply or not.
In addition, I've yet to find a single tweak that could make any measurable difference on a system. To gain any real advantage, multiple tweaks must be applied and the results usually differ from system to system. Truth be told, for the average user XP runs pretty good at stock. But we geeks, the hot-rodders of the new age, don't run anything stock!

Tweaking applications are meant to be a fast, easy way for you to makes changes and undo those changes. It isn't there for you to just start pushing buttons. I fully realize that some people will use tweaking apps without understanding what they do. To be frank, thats their own stupidity. If a carpenter came to your house and said he could make it "look better", would you be willing to say OK and let him have at it without knowing what he was going to do or how much it would cost???
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I'm liking this a lot. However, I have found that the DNS cache increase tweak led to frequent disconnections playing the City of Heroes beta. Granted, this is just a beta, but I tested with the tweak on and off and my disconnects were pretty clearly related to the tweak. Just an FYI for online gamers, you might want to test this tweak a bit before you settle on using it.
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Hey Tweakhound, good to see ya and well put. You said what I've been trying to say in many many less words. I'm also really looking forward to the benchmark results you're doing, especially the EnablePrefetcher=5 one.

Also panging, I did some testing on the AlwaysUnloadDLL thing and here's what I came up with, however first let me say something. The way I did this tweak was to reboot my computer, check how much RAM was currently being used and then load up about 20 applications (games, browsers, e-mail clients, voip software, wordprocessors, etc.), leave it for about 20 seconds. Then I would close all the programs down, wait about 10 seconds and check to see how much RAM is being used. This in theory will be higher then the RAM usage before because DLL's are loaded into RAM. If anyone knows a better way to test this or if you believe this way of testing it is incorrect tell me. Anyways on to my findings.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer]
"AlwaysUnloadDLL"=dword:00000001
RAM Before: 253
RAM After: 283

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]
RAM Before: 253
RAM After: 275
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"If it ain't broke, tweak it.", hey that's incorrect... it's "If it ain't broke, tweak it till it is" :-D.

but on a serious note, I really like all the intelligent discussion this tweaking tool has brought up and I just wanted to remind people that nothing said here should be taken as an insult to you as a person.

Thank you TweakHound for your wonderful writing.

and

Thank You D-Force for all the time & work into this program, It has a very nice interface and good documentation. As well it is wonderful you stand behind it answering questions and the like.

Keep up the good work everyone.
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 07:18 PM   #95
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"If it ain't broke, tweak it.", hey that's incorrect... it's "If it ain't broke, tweak it till it is" :-D.
You seem to be correct but there's only one small teensy winsy problem. That would put me into an endless loop of tweaking the same value over and over and over again of which I already know the last best value. So maybe something like "If it ain't broke, tweak it till it is and then revert back to the last unbroke value". Heh, as you can tell I'm bored.

BTW, just out of curiosity does crlorentzen mean anything or it just letters?
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:-D great response Vyticl. crlorentzen is my first intial second initial and my last name C R Lorentzen...on the same note does your name stand for anything?
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Old Apr 14, 2004, 02:18 AM   #97
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Oh come on, you've never used my name in a sentence? Never seen it in a dictionary? Never saw a pipe going this direction? Well neither have I but phoentically it sounds like Vertical but that was just too boring so I tried to be like all the l33t kids and spelled it all wrong.
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panging, I've done some tests with this and you don't need the AlwaysUnloadDLL DWORD value,
1st i like to thank for doing the test as on your previous post.

okay let me continue.. i like to remain you that my English is not so good, there maybe lot of missing info or incorrect speeling/grammars all i know is to keep it short but can be confused to readers sometimes so pls bare with me..
the reason i quoted your msg (actually i mean to quote the others two that i've already did at ealier as well) becos i liked to pointed out that your msg was a misinformation,
as you can see i said i 'believed' i would/will not say that i know this info for a fact and as always i could be wrong..
and the thought of using this tweak never entered my mind no matter whichs one is the right tweak or should be use in XP. and i just want to give you the informations since i've been viewing this tweaks for so long now...

now what was it that i said yours is a misinformation..
1) about this tweak will help save RAM (i knew that you dont like to use this tweak as well but i think its a misinformation)
2) about the DWORD value..

and about testing.. thiss not a misinformation but i think this tweaked can not be tested easily..

okay so here's my reply to you..

9 out of 10 infos that you've found on internet would be somethings like..
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer].
Create a new sub-key named 'AlwaysUnloadDLL' and set the default value to
equal '1' to disable Windows caching the DLL in memory.

-Or-

System Key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\
AlwaysUnloadDLL]
Value Name: Default
Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
Value: (1 = enable)

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Unloading the DLL
The Shell automatically unloads a DLL when its usage count is zero, but only after the DLL has not been used for a period of time. This inactive period might be unacceptably long at times, especially when a Shell extension DLL is being debugged. For operating systems prior to Windows 2000, you can shorten the inactive period by adding the following information to the registry.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
Software
Microsoft
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CurrentVersion
Explorer
AlwaysUnloadDll
^ those are a system wide setting tweaks for win9x and old NTs,

when 1st windows XP came out, many (i mean alots) of the twekers out there have used the above info..

i believed that the setting is not worked in XP any longer..

but there is a new reg tweak (it's actully not a new tweak its just came out at later time),
that said this tweak will work for DLLs loaded by Explorer in XP, not the same as the system wide setting as above...

and the infos would be somethings likes this..
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Unload unused DLLs:
Explorer often leaves DLLs cached in memory for a long period
of time after they have been finished with.
To turn off this behavior open regedit and create key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Explorer
"AlwaysUnloadDLL" = DWORD:1
Set to 0 to disable.

Windows caches Windows Explorer and shell-extention .dll files to save disk I/O. However, even after you close the calling program, the.dll file remains cached. To stop Windows from caching .dll files after you've closed the calling program, perform the following steps:

Start a registry editor (e.g., regedit.exe).
Navigate to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer registry subkey.
From the Edit menu, select New, DWORD Value.
Enter the name AlwaysUnloadDLL, then press Enter.
Double-click the new value, set it to 1, then click OK.
Close the registry editor, then reboot the machine for the change to take effect.

A shell-extension .dll is one that provides a shell-namespace extension or menu extension (e.g., WinZip's extension .dll lets you easily compress folders from a context menu item in Windows Explorer). By default, Windows Explorer loads shell-extension .dll files and keeps them loaded, even when they aren't being directly accessed (e.g., the namespace they provide isn't being used and no menus are active). Note that Windows Explorer is an active application and uses .dll files. The registry value simply has Windows Explorer unload these .dll files when not in use, which is useful for developers of such .dll files who want to test, fix, and retest their .dll files without having to restart Windows Explorer. Thanks to Mark Russinovich for his help with this ..

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panging, I appreciate your post and you did make a few points I overlooked.

Firstly, I did overlook that the Microsoft page I linked to did say, "For operating systems prior to Windows 2000, you can shorten the inactive period by adding the following information to the registry". That's a very good point that I shouldn't have overlooked. I did the same test that I ran before a few more times and the results varied each time. It even worked the same without either of the values... interesting.

As for your second quote I'm not sure which webpage you quoted. I couldn't find that page on Microsoft anywhere. What is the link to that webpage? Because if it's not from Microsoft don't believe it until you see that information at a Microsoft site. Just a rule of thumb, if you can't find information that comes directly from Microsoft on a setting, don't believe it. Ask yourself this question, if I can't find official documentation on this tweak, where did this site get the official documentation?
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As for your second quote I'm not sure which webpage you quoted. I couldn't find that page on Microsoft anywhere. What is the link to that webpage? Because if it's not from Microsoft don't believe it until you see that information at a Microsoft site. Just a rule of thumb, if you can't find information that comes directly from Microsoft on a setting, don't believe it. Ask yourself this question, if I can't find official documentation on this tweak, where did this site get the official documentation?
as for the "don't believe it. Ask yourself this question, if I can't find official documentation on this tweak, where did this site get the official documentation?"
Ok, i can give you the link to my 2nd qted.. here's - http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/Art...128/27128.html

to convince you that what is the right registry hacks for this.. this have to be held back till i can get into those msges or infos again.. the infos were from a newsgroups somewheres and if i remember correctly that the posted info were made by a few MVPs

and let me say this as well.. did i mention that i'm not interested in applying this reg tweaks on my XP system, i'm not here to convince anyone to or not to apply the tweak so i dont have any reason to post any info to backup the reason why i dont use this tweak..
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and let me say this as well.. did i mention that i'm not interested in applying this reg tweaks on my XP system, i'm not here to convince anyone to or not to apply the tweak so i dont have any reason to post any info to backup the reason why i dont use this tweak..
If you want to apply this tweak or not is up to you. However proving or disproving this tweak will help other people decide if they want to apply this tweak or not as well. I mean I can honestly say at first I thought it was a valid Windows XP tweak, but with this new information right now I don't think it is. However if you can find official Microsoft documentation stating this tweak works in Windows XP then post it here so we can claim this tweak as valid.
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However if you can find official Microsoft documentation stating this tweak works in Windows XP then post it here so we can claim this tweak as valid.
oh i can tell you right now i dont think i can find the MS document..
you can try to ctc the author of the article that i gave may be he can tell you.
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However proving or disproving this tweak will help other people decide if they want to apply this tweak or not as well.
i've already provided the info about the sub-kay registry hack.. it is not for winXP well i should say 'maybe' is not for winXP since the MS document stated that its for an OS prior to win2000.
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Hello!

after trying and being very impressed with the beta public version of your software, i installed the full thing when it was available.

i did see brilliant increases in boot times (now it only takes 1/2 of the bar that XP scrolls through when loading) and a little after that to load up in windows

However, i find that when i use the 'UNLOAD DLLs' tweak, when windows boots up, it tells me 'delayed write fail - cannot save x:\$MFT' or something like that. the ntfs drive is seperate to the raid setup that i am booting off.

however, a simple 'press f8 and revert back to last working settings' doesnt quite work with this one - i have to go in safe mode, and disable it and then it boots up fine!


just thought u'd like to know that this is an issue that wasnt easily resolved, and if u could try and do something about it! it might just be me, but then i dont know!

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any ideas whats wrong, id love to know! else, its a fine program!
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I just installed TuneXP and tried to use the function to Clear Prefetch Folder, it tried to look for my Prefetch Folder in C:\ and when it failed to find it, it offered to del *.* my entire C drive. Its a good thing I was paying attention and typed N.

I thought I could have set the Windows directory wrongly but that does not seem to be the case at all after checking the config file.
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Nice to have an app do all the tweaking for you! I enabled pretty much everything, didn't fool with the Internet tweaks though. Bootup is definitely faster, however it seems my Sandra benchmarks on my RAID have decreased from 76MBs to approx. 70MBs - any advice? I ran the test twice, I'll play around more later and let you know.
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I have no idea why this has happened. Try defragmenting your drive or removing some of the tweaks/


shyang

If your windows directory is C:\Windows, you should have set it. Setting it to C:\ isn't enough. Likewise, if it's E:\WinNT, setting it to E:\ is no good. E:\WinNT is what it should be set to. So i'm afraid it's a cause of user error
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Thanks for the reply DForce. Right now I'm not too concerned about the benchies, but am pleased with the quicker bootup. Thanks for all your work! I will test when I get some free time...
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First of all I'd like to say that I really like the idea of this software - it's different to other tweak software I've seen. However there are some tweaks that I don't know what it does. Actually it would be more accurate to say that I don't how it does what it does - and that concerns me.

As TweakHound stated:
Any intelligent and experienced PC user should know better than to use an application without understanding what it does. Many people are familiar with the tweaks/registry changes that TuneXP makes. However, as I suggested in the article it would be good for future versions of TuneXP to contain that information. The same conclusion applies to tweaking your system manually.

The Help file could and should be more informative and there should be a feature to restore tweaks to the previous state should you not like them. I'm guessing all you've go to do is change Enable to Disable - but that is just a guess though. I'd like to see more info in the Help file as to precisely what some of the tweaks are - especially the IRQ tweak as I've never heard of that before. What little information I could find on the IRQ tweak didn't tell me why it makes 'things' quicker. It's all very well for me to take the time to search for this thread and then read through 8 pages to find the relevant info - but it really should've been in the Help file in the first place.

As TIRO stated:
You're right about the IRQ8 is 'typically' reserved for real time clock, but in some system which's rarely found that the system is not reserved the same IRQ.
I'd suggest you make a note so that user will check before they apply this tweak, since this is a newly create key.


Now that is a perfectly valid point that sums up why I feel that the Help file as a whole, could and should be more informative. Let me stress again - I really like the idea of this software. I do feel that it's different to other tweak software I've seen and I hope it develops. But I'm not prepared to apply a tweak without knowing what it does or how it does what it does. I hope you can consider all this and take it on board for future releases. Anyway - many thanks for taking the time to read this and good luck with future releases.
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Can anyone help....


After running the Ultra Boot optimise option and the optimise prefetch option; this happened;


Remember when we clear our c:/windows/prefetch folder, on the first subsequent boot, the little bootscreen progress bar goes like 1.5 times (i.e. very quickly), because the prefetch folder is clean.

Well after running tunexp (the above mentioned settings), this no longer happens.

No matter how many defrags I do, when I clean the prefetch, the first subsequent boot still results in the little bar going like 9-11 times.
And the overall boot time also still hasn't really gone down.


I can't fix it, I'm tempted to do a format, to get my quick boot back.


Is there anything I can do to undo this?


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have you ever noticed that before you ran the tunexp.. how many times the the progress bar goes?
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Yes, with a full prefetch folder always 5.5 times, when all 3 keyboard lights used to flash. From there to the mouse cursor was short.

with an empty prefetch folder (the first boot) progress bar progression was .5 to 1.5 times before the keyboard flash, from there to the mouse cursor was a bit longer.

Now it's 9-11 no matter what... Strange. Everything clean, msconfig emptied out, unused IDE controllers disabled in device manager (changed from AUTO to NONE (speedup laptop boot), no network, fresh defragged.


When I get home I'll see if tunexp indeed set the registry prefetch to option 5, and if so i'll try option 3 to see if it helps.


See the problem is I have 11gb of data on that laptop and no external DVD burner. I'd hate to have to format it, as I'd have to burn all that to 700mb cd's.

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Gold333,

pls follow the below steps...

1) check the Task Scheduler service, be sure its startup type is "Automatc"

2) go to \WINDOWS\Prefetch, then delete everything in there including the Layout.ini and all .pf files
(don't delete the Prefetch folder, just the contents)

3) disabling the Prefetcher component..
Open the Registry Editor, then locate..

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters.

then changing the registry value of "EnablePrefetcher" to "0"

4) Reboot your PC, then repeat the No.2 again, make sure there's no more files in the Prefetch folder.

5) Reboot your PC... this time make a record of how many times that the progress bar goes?

6) then repeat the No.3.. this time change the registry value of "EnablePrefetcher" to "3"

7) Reboot your PC.

8) after rebooted, Open the Run dialog box and type in this command and hit enter.

Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks

then look at your HDD light, the process may take from less than a min to 3 mins,..
wait until the HDD light stop, then go to the Prefetch folder and see if you get the Layout.ini and some .pf files including the NTOSBOOT-xxxxxxxx.pf file in there.
if so, Reboot your PC. also make another record of how many times that the progress bar goes?
if you don't see the Layout.ini, Reboot your PC and redo this step.

9) after rebooted, i'll continue with the boot files defrag after your report of the 2 times recorded...
and see if you can get a better boot up time.

note-- all the above steps have nothing to do with the TuneXP and it'll Not cause any prob to your PC, all i like to do here is to bring the system default back.

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TIRO:

Thank you very much for your support man, I hadn't been expecting this.
Again thank you very much for your attention.


Ok I did what you suggested.

>3.) "EnablePrefetcher" to "0"
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>4) Reboot your PC, then repeat the No.2 again, make sure there's no more files in the Prefetch folder.
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>5) Reboot your PC... this time make a record of how many times that the progress bar goes?"


It goes exactly 1.5 times.


>3.) "EnablePrefetcher" to "3"
>4.) Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks

I had to do this twice, the first time it took 5 secs and the layout.ini didn't come. The second time it took 2 minutes and the layout.ini came. My prefetch folder looked like this:

Defrag.exe
Dfrgfat.exe
Explorer.exe
Layout.ini
ntosboot-B00DFAAD
Rundll32.exe
Wmiadap.exe
Wmiprvse.exe


Upon boot the bar went went exactly 8 times.



>9) after rebooted, i'll continue with the boot files defrag after your report of the 2 times recorded...
>and see if you can get a better boot up time.


I hope so.


Thank you very much for your help.
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Gold333,

pls follow the next steps..

1) Open the Registry Editor, locate the following key...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOpt imizeFunction

at the right pane... locate the following value names...

"LcnStartLocation" and "LcnEndLocation"

D-click on each one (the Edit String box popups) then enter "0" (zero - don't type the "") in the Value data:,

note-- you may see the value name "OptimizeComplete" with the value data = "No"
and value name "OptimizeError" with the value data = "Missing Registry Entries"
all the value names mentioned will be changed after the boot files defrag is done,
you can come back to the registry key and check at later time.

close the editor.

2) then Run -> CMD,

at prompt type... defrag c: -boot

and then... defrag c: -v

see below for more details..

Code:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\< your user id >defrag c: -boot   <-- enter this command, then wait till HDD light stop.
C:\Documents and Settings\< your user id >   <-- you'll see a new prompt when boot defrag is end.

C:\Documents and Settings\< your user id >defrag c: -v   <-- then enter this command, then wait till the HDD light stop... you'll also see the new prompt at the end, then type exit.  

Windows Disk Defragmenter
Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International, Inc.

Analysis Report

    Volume size                         = xx.xx GB
    Cluster size                        = x KB
    Used space                          = xx.xx GB
    Free space                          = x.xx GB
    Percent free space                  = xx %

Volume fragmentation
    Total fragmentation                 = x %
    File fragmentation                  = x %
    Free space fragmentation            = x %

File fragmentation
    Total files                         = xx,xxx
    Average file size                   = xxx KB
    Total fragmented files              = xxx
    Total excess fragments              = x,xxx
    Average fragments per file          = x.xx

Pagefile fragmentation
    Pagefile size                       = xxx MB
    Total fragments                     = x

Folder fragmentation
    Total folders                       = x,xxx
    Fragmented folders                  = x
    Excess folder fragments             = xx

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
    Total MFT size                      = xx MB
    MFT record count                    = xx,xxx
    Percent MFT in use                  = xx
    Total MFT fragments                 = x


Defragmentation Report

    Volume size                         = xx.xx GB
    Cluster size                        = x KB
    Used space                          = x.xx GB
    Free space                          = x.xx GB
    Percent free space                  = xx %

Volume fragmentation
    Total fragmentation                 = 0 %
    File fragmentation                  = 0 %
    Free space fragmentation            = 0 %

File fragmentation
    Total files                         = xx,xxx
    Average file size                   = xxx KB
    Total fragmented files              = 0
    Total excess fragments              = 0
    Average fragments per file          = x.xx

Pagefile fragmentation
    Pagefile size                       = xxx MB
    Total fragments                     = x

Folder fragmentation
    Total folders                       = x,xxx
    Fragmented folders                  = x
    Excess folder fragments             = x

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
    Total MFT size                      = xx MB
    MFT record count                    = xx,xxx
    Percent MFT in use                  = xx
    Total MFT fragments                 = x

C:\Documents and Settings\< your user id >exit
Now, you told me you got 8 times at the progress bar...
i see your hardwares specs is very good and i think you should have only 3-4 times,
maybe after some more boots and it'll get better... pls report back.

my PC specs is lower than yours and i got only 2.5 times with the EnablePrefetcher values 1/2/3,
but now without the prefetcher i get 0.5-1.0 times i dont recommend you to disable the prefetcher and no unless..

anyway, redo this below steps for 2-3 days and see.. at least you should get a bit better than the previous default boot time.

1) Run -> Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
2) and Run the "defrag c: -boot" after and then Reboot.

note-- once you use the XP Prefetch, it'll purge itself of unused .pf files and you don't have to remove it yourself.

note-- for other who reads this post, you won't need all the above if you have no prob with your boot time..
it is for ppls who are losing their boot time.

----------------------------

edit-- all the value names mentioned will be changed after the boot files defrag is done,
-- all the value data of the value names mentioned will be changed after the boot files defrag is done,

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i just installed 1.5 and now when i click on my docs or my comp it takes way too long to bring it up...why?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TIRO
[B]Gold333,

>"LcnStartLocation" and "LcnEndLocation"


Yes the values were:

"LcnStartLocation 736678 " and "LcnEndLocation 746169"

>
>note-- you may see the value name "OptimizeComplete" with the value data = "No"
>and value name "OptimizeError" with the value data = "Missing Registry Entries"
>


I did not see those errors, it looked normal.

I changed both to 0.


>2) then Run -> CMD,
>
>at prompt type... defrag c: -boot

I did, this took 1 minute.


>and then... defrag c: -v


I did, this took 1h 20m.


>Reboot


I rebooted after these steps, the progress bar went 9-10 times.



>1) Run -> Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
>2) and Run the "defrag c: -boot" after and then Reboot.


I did this too, and rebooted, after this step the bar went, 10-12 times.


This is so strange.

>note-- once you use the XP Prefetch, it'll purge itself of unused .pf files and you don't have to remove it yourself.

Can you explain?




Ok following all the steps and rebooting now maybe 15-20 times, the progress bar still goes 12 times.

Very strange.



Any tips?
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Gold333,

i've told you all i know and have used all of the mentioned on all of my XP systems,
i've tried using/testing every prefetch registry values, both valid and invalid values.. all the way to 6,7,8,9
and i always get decent boot time back, never have to reformat/reinstall and never use bootvis either.

and i don't think you'll need a reformat either..
i'd say try disbling the prefetcher again and then set it back to the default value, but this time let XP handles all the process and without doing it manually. this may take times till you get your default boot time back.

you might want to do more research, and if you like to... below are some of the info relateing to this....


Code:
registry entries before doing boot files defrag.... 
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction
"OptimizeComplete"="No"
"OptimizeError"="Missing Registry Entries"

after the defrag is done...
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction
"OptimizeComplete"="Yes"
"OptimizeError"=" "

LcnStartLocation/LcnEndLocation/defrag c: -boot
- microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Lc...*&start=0&sa=N


ProcessIdleTasks
- microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...ic.windowsxp.*


Benchmarking on Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system...benchmark.mspx
- Disk Efficiency Optimizations
- Idle Task Scheduling: The ProcessIdleTask API
-> Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks


Bootvis
-microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...e+Search&meta=


Prefetch
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...ic.windowsxp.*


Prefetch Folder in Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_p.htm#xp_prefetch


How to Disable the Prefetcher Component in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=307498
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1.) Hmmm this is strange,...


I went back into the registry, and remember I told you that before there were no errors.

Well now it says something different;


OptimiseComplete = No
OptimiseError = No Free space


My total HD space is 40GB

This is very strange, I am looking at my free space right now, it's 11GB.

When I was doing the defrag I think it was 16GB.



This is odd, I do have free space.

?

Hmm, maybe it has to do with the following:


I have 14GB of MPEG2 files on this HD.



Could it be that those are not moveable, and therefore the program runs out of space.




2.) To get my old boot back should I change

"LcnStartLocation 0" and "LcnEndLocation 0"

Back to:

"LcnStartLocation 736678 " and "LcnEndLocation 746169"


Or should I do what you told me yesterday:

>3.) "EnablePrefetcher" to "0"
>
>4) Reboot your PC, then repeat the No.2 again, make sure there's no more files in the Prefetch folder.
>
>5) Reboot your PC... this time make a record of how many times that the progress bar goes?"


It goes exactly 1.5 times.


>3.) "EnablePrefetcher" to "3"
>4.) Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
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