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Old Jan 7, 2004, 07:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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that stuff is way to soft to play with... and hard to get ahold of.... when i have money... and i mean a serious amount... i'll do it....
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Old Jan 7, 2004, 07:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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judas I hate to break it to you but I think he was yanking your chain.
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Old Jan 7, 2004, 07:34 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Of course i was, everyone knows the most conductive metals are Silver then Copper then Gold...
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Old Jan 7, 2004, 07:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Actually although its an interesting theory, I am not quite so sure it would be feasible or practical to attempt making a heatsink, there is a surprisingly high amount of R&D that goes into the design of a heatsink, its not just the case of plopping on a piece of copper. If you take a look at a thermalright SLK or another of the high end heatsinks, the build quality and the fans, and design is of an extremely high quality.
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Old Jan 7, 2004, 08:04 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I wonder when we can expect super extreme air cooling solutions to use a core of silver with copper/aluminum fins? We already know the wonders of ThermalRight's ALX-800, a near perfect fusion of copper and aluminum that cools as well as the SLK-800 with ~100grams less weight and is 10-20 dollars cheaper.... I wonder how a silver (plus aluminum/copper) heatsink would do?

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Old Jan 7, 2004, 11:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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....i'd like to give it a try...... also... i thought polishing was a very bad idea... and i can understand why..... polish fills in the unseen dips in the heatsink were the thermal paste is saposed to go...... right? (cause more heat... then before)
Well........I guess some of your statement is true......if you use a cheap polish! I prefer to use Wenol. Reason being, is that it is high quality, used extensively in manufacturing that concerns chrome and other soft metals. It doesn't take long to get the desired look. Easy clean up, and it protects the metal from tarnishing, and with copper this is a plus. If you lap your heatsink properly, and clean it with rubbing alcohol real good.......then make sure that it is dry and use rubber surgical type gloves when polishing........then there wont be any crevices for the polish to fill. Of course doing it this way is pretty anal......

As far as temp differences.....on an aluminium heatsink. Lapping with up to 1000 grit will drop the temp......let's say for example......8 F, on a cheap one, work up to 1500 and you will gain maybe 2 F more.......polish it and you may gain nothing or maybe 1 F......but if done right.......you wont lose anything.....polishing correctly will take what little pits there are.....and make them even smaller. The smaller the pits.......then the more surface area for heat transfer.......and the less thermal compound is needed.

Alot of top heatsink makers lap by a machine........and then polish the base with a buffing wheel.......by polishing they are protecting the raw metal surface and it gives it the appearance of being lapped better than it actually is. And that saves them money in machine work. Think about it.....it is market driven. Think about how many heatsink reviews you have seen, where the first thing they do is show you a picture of how much reflection there is from the base

But in the end......it all comes down to what you feel like doing. As I said in the guide....it is optional.
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Old Jan 8, 2004, 12:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Anouther excelent guide...may be needing it soon....congrats buds this was really a great idea...keep up the good work...keep them comin.
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Old Jan 8, 2004, 02:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I wonder when we can expect super extreme air cooling solutions to use a core of silver with copper/aluminum fins? We already know the wonders of ThermalRight's ALX-800, a near perfect fusion of copper and aluminum that cools as well as the SLK-800 with ~100grams less weight and is 10-20 dollars cheaper.... I wonder how a silver (plus aluminum/copper) heatsink would do?

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1c? of course you quote this extremely minor increase taking into consideration changes in ambient room temperature and other fan related variables, right?

these were temps taken from an average of 1 hour under load. (Speed fan automaticly calculates the avarages so it might have calculated it wrong, but I doubt that)

even if it was affected by a room temp increase, that still means that lapping doesnt do much because if it was cooling better and the room temp increased it probably should have stayed the same.
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1c? of course you quote this extremely minor increase taking into consideration changes in ambient room temperature and other fan related variables, right?
another 8 hourse and i'll have a good ref for ya
i of couse have recently did some lapping of my own
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OK, ok, when I bought my slk-800a it was $45. The alx-800 goes for $20-$25 and does as good a job, so .

Still, I wonder how good a silver (core or whole thing) heatsink would do.... Anyone have a pile of cash laying around to buy some silver to find out? Possibly get enough to weigh as much as an SLK-900/800.
Let's see.... as of today the silver rate per ounce is ~$6.19 and the SLK-900 (for AMD) is 570 grams and 1 ounce = ~28 grams... so 570 gram = ~20 ounces which would be ~$124!

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yeah, I would reccomend againts polishing. A mirror finish acctually raised my temps by 1C compared to a regular 1200 grit sanded finsh.
I recall reading somewhere else that the only gain from a mirror finish is in appearance, and that it MAY perform slightly worse than satin.

Suggestions were that a non-mirror finish provides a better thermal interface to the heatsink paste, through greater contact area, or that makes it easier for any excess paste (don't dollop it on!) to squeeze out.
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OK, ok, when I bought my slk-800a it was $45. The alx-800 goes for $20-$25 and does as good a job, so .

Still, I wonder how good a silver (core or whole thing) heatsink would do.... Anyone have a pile of cash laying around to buy some silver to find out? Possibly get enough to weigh as much as an SLK-900/800.
Let's see.... as of today the silver rate per ounce is ~$6.19 and the SLK-900 (for AMD) is 570 grams and 1 ounce = ~28 grams... so 570 gram = ~20 ounces which would be ~$124!

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sliver is less thrmal conductive then copper, also it costs alot more


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I recall reading somewhere else that the only gain from a mirror finish is in appearance, and that it MAY perform slightly worse than satin.

Suggestions were that a non-mirror finish provides a better thermal interface to the heatsink paste, through greater contact area, or that makes it easier for any excess paste (don't dollop it on!) to squeeze out.
the finish isn't the biggest factor the cpu 's surface being 101% flat is

thats the whole point of lapping has only slightly to do with the surface it has mostly to do withit being absoluly flat

[pople are useing power tools etc .. you cant you wont end up with a 101% perfectly flat perfectly smoothe surface


i've had heasink pull the cpu out of the socket when trying to remove them becouse the connecting was so strong (useing as3)
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