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A few weeks ago we looked at the launch of the Radeon 5870 and followed it up with a look at the 5850 and various partner cards last week. The new 5800 series impressed us thanks to its excellent performance and features such as full support for DirectX 11. In fact, it is probably fair to say that in the high end market there is really no competition for the Radeon 5800s right now. In the mainstream segment things were not quite as clear cut though, Nvidia and ATI both provide some value packed products with each having its own selling points.

Today ATI aim to change that situation with the release of the 5770 and 5750. These two products are priced to target (and undercut) the GTS 250 and GTX 260. Can ATI take control of the mainstream graphics market? Read on to find out as we put all of these cards through their paces in a selection of the latest games as well as high definition media playback and GPU computing tasks.

mkk

Rather impressive AA performance for cards with just a 128bit memory bus. The custom cooler on the Sapphire 5750 makes it tempting. I'll have to keep an eye on the price level as they appear. Solid testing as usual.

kris23

good cards though they dont impress me much at the price to performance ratio... the 4870 is more powerful currently for about $20 less...... of course this is brand new stuff so only time will tell! i say the sweet spot for the 5770 is about $120-130.... replacing the 512mb 4870s

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ET3D

Performance is disappointing. I was hoping the 5770 will be at 4870 level, but it's usually behind.

Still, I know I'll get one of these cards, I just don't know which. I'll have to wait for them to arrive here in Israel, and see what the prices are. The Sapphire 5750 does look attractive, with its cooler and bundle, but I'll have to see if this has a price premium. Also, the 5770 does perform significantly better in some cases.

Questions (things I didn't see in the review):

What about noise level? I'd love to know how the Sapphire 5750 fan compares with the XFX one and the 5770 one in terms of noise.

The 5750 overclock, what card was that on, the Sapphire or the XFX? I imagine that the cooler might have an effect on that. (Though random chip selection might have an even bigger effect.)

Veridian3

Hi all, the pricing has gone live in the UK and its actually lower than we anticipated. The 5750 can be found for as low as £92 (we were told £109) and the 5770 is £111 (rather than £135). Those are some amazing deals and make the 5770 a similar price to the chepest 4870s. Although the 4870 will be a bit faster in some current games I actually think the 5770 is the better choice between the two given the features, noise, heat etc. A better long term investment really.

As for noise, the XFX card was slightly louder than the Sapphire and the overclock on both models was within 5MHz of each other.

BlueMak

Now these are better in terms of money for what you get.
I still wouldn't get one, but not bad.

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ET3D

The low UK price is promising. In the US, I see that Newegg has three 5770 cards for the retail price, and one 5750, the sapphire, also for the retail price.

In Israel I see that two stores have the Sapphire 5750 for around $230 or BP150 (I never know where that pound sign is), which is ridiculous. Both stores are quoting wrong specs. Found another one, at a slightly better store. Still about the same price. Gigabyte 5770 is available there for $260, and a Sapphire one for $270. Another store has the Gigabyte for $255.

I think I'll wait a little and hope that prices will drop as volume shipments arrive. If they don't, I might get the Gigabyte 5770, since it's just $25 (about 10%) more than the 5750.

(For comparison, the cheapest 5850 I can find on the price engine is $390.)

IvanV

Thanks for the review, I was eager to see what these cards were capable of.

The 4870 has 50% more of available memory bandwidth and it tells on the scores, but considering that the tests were performed at maximum settings and with 4x and even 8x AA applied, they are still nice performers at the 1920*1200 resolution. If the development of games moves in such a direction that memory requirements don't grow too rapidly, but new GPU features start to be utilized, the cards will probably age gracefully and they may became very appealing after the prices have settled down a little.

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ET3D

I'm now spending (wasting?) my time looking for these cards. Found the 5850 for $367. The Gigabyte 5770 seems to be in stock at that store (and I mean, really in stock) for $262. For comparison a 1GB 4850 costs $189 there, and a 4870 costs $224. This is actually not far from the current price ratio in the US.

I figure I'll wait a little longer, hope the prices drop (finding a 5850 for $367 is a good sign).

comp_ali

Not bad performance for 5770 /5750 although I thought it would be better than that , If I am picking one I will pick Sapphire for the lower temps and free Dirt2 , however it depends on the Availability here as not all models arrive . Mostly Gigabyte and Power Color and little XFX .

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Cow_160483

These cards are an absolute gem i think i will definitely be getting one in the near future or even two

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Judas

the highest end 5770's perform very close to that of the 4870's.... or am i reading the graphs wrong?

either way.. for the price of a 5770 1gb, it actually looks DAMN good. Very big bang for the buck.

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ET3D

Another question: what's the effect of AA on performance? All tests here were done with AA, and there's been talk about AA having little effect on performance on the 58x0 cards. Is this true for the 57x0 cards, too?

Veridian3

The reason for using AA in all the tests is we are now at a stage where you don't really need to consider turning it off. In everything I have tested on the 5700s you can play at 19x12 with AA other than Battleforge (who cares ) and Crysis (no surprises there!).

ET3D

I think that pretty much decides it. Considering that all I really want is games running at my monitor's native 1600x1200, and that my CPU isn't extremely powerful, the 5750 will probably be good enough for me. Don't know how it'd fare in the long run, but I figure I could run now with AA and drop it if future games require it.

Now all I have to do is wait until the 5750 costs half as much as the 5850, like it does in most civilised countries. Paying $230 for the 5750 when the 5850 costs $370 feels like too much.

Bolletje

HD5770 is even cheaper than the 5750 in my country :')

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LoserDave

looking forward to trying it.
By the way, where do we enter the contest at?

Zardon

Having managed to get some time to play with a 5770 I think its a brilliant value for money card. performance is also strong for the price in the Uk right now. I can't believe these are selling for under 130 in the UK. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/produc...=56&subid=1515

comp_ali

You are always lucky , British

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Zardon

Well I live in Ireland, but close enough

ET3D

5850 price went up to about $400, but the HIS 5770 is down to under $240, just a little over the price of the 5750 cards (which haven't gone down). It's getting more tempting.

Zardon

5770 is the best card on the market right now, considering performance for price - and when you add another at a later date (if you do) then the performance is excellent, even at 2560x1600 with everything ive thrown at it.

It would be the card I would buy to be honest if I wasn't in this job. I still really rate the GTX275 as well mind you, although obviously it doesnt have DX11 support....

Bolletje

Availability of the 275 isn't good, right? That's a negative point in my opinion.

Price of the 5770 is indeed very nice. A lot of features and it looks quite nice with the cooler :P

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Zardon

there aren't a huge stock in the UK no, but sites like OCUK have some in stock - no real issues getting one, but they are quite a bit more costly than the 5770. getting a single 5770 then getting another later when funds permit (for crossfire) seems a good option to me, then you get the advantages of having DX11 support .

Two 5770's in CF are stunningly capable at a very modest cost, I have been testing most games at 2560x1600 with the eye candy cranked and the frame rates are exceptionally good. Fantastic boards, I actually think they are the best product in ATI's current, very capable series - you can pick one up in the UK for under 130!

Even that DX11 heaven benchmark at 2560x1600 in full DX11 mode with two 5770s is getting around 35-50fps!

Bolletje

Uhu, that's really nice. Not that I'm planning to game @ 2560*1600, but at a lower resolution they are king. Not that much difference between a HD5850 (which ATI raised in price, so it's almost double the price).

Only thing that I need is some cards from NVIDIA so that the prices will go down.

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BlueMak

Zardon I have to say I am tempted. Not that I have any problems with my 4870X2, but it does look very tasty. (I am not going to even try to get it, mine sans the DX11 support, is faster, but I am just saying, awesome card for the money!)

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Zardon

Actually im not so sure it is faster - it would be very close. I find those individual 5770's are not shy of 4870 performance and they run much cooler and overclock massively. Two in CF would give a 4870X2 a good run for its money while overclocking more and running 15c cooler into the bargain with less noise.

BlueMak

I could see that, but then you would pay £260+ and have two seperate cards and still not 100% that it would reach the speed of a single 4870X2. So basically, you would pay the £260 just (mainly) for DX11. (the above if you already had a 4870X2)

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Zardon

I wasnt saying you should get it, I was just making the point how surprisingly capable the 5770's have been in my testing. I haven't seen much if any difference in performance with a 5770 compared to a 4870.

Also I am not really sure the point you are making about the games not reaching the speed of a single 4870 X2. both configurations would rely on crossfire driver support, so whatever games utilitise both cores in an X2 would work fine on two 5770's. Maybe I misread, so don't flame me !

Personally id rather have two 5770's as I think we have had around five X2's fail now in our labs over the last 18 months, but I appreciate the point you are making, its not a 'significant' step forward for you, personally.

I like however the fact that a person with limited funds now and a crossfire board can pick one of these up to tide him over until later on when he can upgrade the system at a very reasonable cost.

BlueMak

Absolutely, they are great deal for what they offer at the price. You can get one now and another in a few months and have great speed and DX11 support. If you are looking to upgrade and save money, they are as good as they get and no reason to go for a DX10/DX10.1 card for about the same or more money.

I had no idea about the fail rate of the X2s. I hope I am lucky with it lol.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.