BlueMak

So, Doc, are you in Nvidia's payroll or something?

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

brutusmaximus

No problems. Merry Christmas to you too Derek Perez. Hope 2009 is good for you guys

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SiliconDoc

lol- Fair enough.
No, I'm not, but I think maybe I should be, or at the very least (although I think others consider it perhaps a waste of time) - the arguments I presented should be thrown back in the face of those slamming away on Nvidia, far and wide. You know, enough is enough. I wouldn't say a thing if the arguments were valid and honest, but 9 times of 10 they aren't.

BlueMak

Well, either way...have a happy xmas.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

ChaosMinionX

So.....


PhysX = Giant gimmick currently, it does nothing more than eat cycles and produce over dramatic "hollywood" looking particle effects. It does absolutely nothing for performance of your game.

And quite honestly if you're running a 260GTX single or SLI chances are you are not looking for looks, and will want every bit of performance you can get for new games that are demanding, and adding extra load to them would be silly for a few particles and overdone effects. You are talking about a mid range parts that people buy because economically speaking they are in their price/performance range.

If your arguement concerned the 280GTX or 4870X2 then sure I would probably be having a conversation with you on it, but simply put you are talking about a market that has no need for PhysX.

As for the SLI scaling wonderfully and Crossfire not, that is utter BS check your sources.

Also alot of complaining about costs of things and wanting the best of both worlds... as shown by this poorly thought out statement.

1280x1024 arguements? This is the year 2008 almost 2009..... You are playing on dated equipment if you are talking about monitors that are under 20", hell even under 19". The majority if a poll were to be taken would say 19" (1280x1024) minimum, that number is dwindling since the 22" market of 1680x1050 panels are cheap as nails.

And to say that a video card coming as 1GB and 2GB respectively is a downside? Please take some time out from your ranting and read up on some stuff before posting, sure 512mb on a 4870 is good for games from 4-5 years ago, if you havent been paying attention memory requirements in every field of PC world has been increased why? Better high resolution textures, more storage needed for "smooth" experience. I would go into detail on why these memory sizes are needed, but its already clear you have not done any research or have had any hands on experience with anything you are talking about.

Crying that a $400-$500 video card which was designed for ultra enthusiasts with expendable income, or a mild case of insanity is not in a normal persons price range you would be exactly right. If you are playing on a 17" monitor you have no business even commenting on these products. 4870X2 is a very powerful card, and currently Nvidia has nothing that will match it.

Also the crap you spewed out about Nvidia shaving off $$ of their own cost to produce the G200 cores and give them to the consumer is absolute garbage, they were forced to because ATI came in with a card of equal or better performance at a lower pricepoint (learn what a first adoption premium is that you pay on new hardware that comes out). Maybe if you saw some of the stuff that came out about the problems Nvidia had with the early yields on those G200's you would see this in a different light.

What to even say about this? Its not that they can't do it, but to produce a lower pricepoint card it is better to produce lots of mainstream GPU's and put them in multi GPU configurations, than it is to produce a single monolithic core that its a powerhouse. It lowers costs to consumers and has better yields in the end.

You will see Nvidia stray away from the single powerhouse GPU to a scalable GPU that can be used in multi configs like the X2s have been. The future of hardware is all about scalability..

This is part of the reason ATI dug themselves out of the R600 fiasco and the HD2900 series. Nvidia dominated ATI at this point in time with the G80, the RV670 comes into the scene, and ATI gains a little foothold back.

First X2 hits the ground as the 3870X2 becomes the most powerful card on the market until Nvidia fires back with the 9000 series.

RV770 comes out as the 4800 lineup with the 4870X2 following hot on its tail it takes the lead from Nvidia and holds it till 2009 starts. Nvidia has poor yields on G200 cores and cant get enough product to market, and also caused the prices to go up on the 260GTX and 280GTX.

Performance gap between the 260GTX and 4870 are marginal at best, ATI is cheaper thus Nvidia is forced to have pricecuts. This is marketing not helping the consumer out because they are a consumer concious company like you make them out to be. And 280GTX isnt even in the same league as 4870X2, ATI also has the 4850 with slightly lower performance than the 4870 and a lower pricepoint even under the 260GTX which Nvidia has no product to fit that market at the time.

I also have yet to see any sources backing up your claims that wreak of fanboyism the very thing you are slinging at ATI users.

EDIT: I also in no way am stating the 4870 is better than the 260GTX. Really what it boils down to 4870 is slightly less powerful but costs less about $20-30 where for the extra cash the 260GTX is better performance. Course the idea of "less powerful" depends on the title you want to play, in which case they both have their tradeoffs.

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kris23

i just have to lol at this thread now.....

ok ok, so its pretty much been said that the GTX 260 Core 216 is king of the hill....

but really, the two cards are so close in performance..... it really depends on your system and what games you have....

also, thing is that i see the 4870 to be around $199-220 while i see the Core 216 cards to be $230-250..... so at the end of the day, in terms actually making a choice, my brain just says: who the hell cares? id just grab any of the cards that has the best manufacturer backing it....

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SiliconDoc

See, now even you did it... and you didn't even know it - you mean the 4870 / 512 is $199-220 ?
but the 4870 /1024 is well...lowest there is - $225.00 and that's after a $15 rebate... so $240.00 --

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THE 1024 IS 199-220 !!!

Now is the red framerate queen going to argue for the 512 version of their redgod ? I kinda doubt it - not enough ram - it's a LAGGER when their only other argument is very high rezz with aa and af maxxed up.

So -.... the lowest GTX260 is $200.00 at the egg. (yeah that's the 192 version - but it IS factory overclocked to 620 core )

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newegg

4870 /512 is under $200 SOMETIMES
4870 /1024 $225 MINIMUM to near $300 ($296.99 @770core HIS)


GTX260/192 $200 MINIMUM and up to 254 (220-230av)
GTX260/216 $235 MINIMUM up to $330 OC'ed FTW

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The GTX260/192 is more than the 4870/512 currently - because it spanks the 512 - spanks it good.

( I VERY MUCH SUSPECT A LOT OF RED FANS GOT THE 4870/512 BUT DON'T WANT TO SAY SO - 512 ISN'T QUITE ENOUGH RAM ALREADY)


So the GTX260/216 is $10 more than the 4870/1024 (if price is your concern there's the truth - I doubt many places as famous as newegg have better pricing - or even close to new egg pricing.)

Should I have INSTEAD told you the GTX260 is $200 while the 4870 is $225 ?

You know I could say something like that - AND BACK IT UP. (I'd consider it BS - but red fans don't when they do it going the other way)

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Yes, well, let me know where the 4870/1024 is 199-220 - no you won't...

Sorry, you were nice enough about everything, but the ding dang numbers aren't right....

Just say you meant the 512 version of the 4870 .

Like I said - SORRY - but this is what happens - it's always DECEPTION - and it ALWAYS goes in you know what direction....

SiliconDoc

I see, a mod who sends me a private message warning me not to post more than once (not to myself) and is a green hater - wonderful.
I will address your false opinions and lies one by one. I'm not surprised you were the one who sent me a "warning" . Well, you posted PURE GARBAGE.

1. If you don't like "HOLLYWOOD" effects in your games (AS YOU PUT IT), just turn down ther resolution, or TURN OFF PARTICLE EFFECTS, and ALL THE OTHER EFFECTS.
I'm more than certain > YOU WON'T BE DOING THAT !
PhysX makes the game more immersive and fun - that's not FRAMERATE PERFORMANCE, but it IS game performance.
You just have a red problem.
If you don't - tell me that you turn off particle effects and all the other effects in your games ? NO OF COURSE YOU DON'T.

What does this crap even mean therer mod man ? " And quite honestly if you're running a 260GTX single or SLI chances are you are not looking for looks "

REALLY ? YOU AREN'T CRANKING UP THE REZZ AND TURNING ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER ?

I think you are a bit deranged to even say that. Honestly, how did you convince yourself of that ? Did you want to say " only the framerate matters! only the framerate matters! " ? I mean then you could WHINE that PhysX causes a framerate hit - and yes it does cause a bit - not much and neare zero on a secondary card, but it does take a bit to compute.
Problem FOR YOU IS : Everyone is not going to some framerate stat to post every time they play a game. The higher cards do the resolution people play in just fine, and many LOWER CARDS DO AS WELL.
Every time a person plays, they aren't donig a framerate post on the net freakshow - they want to ENJOY the game- and THEREFORE THEY VERY DEFINITELY ARE LOOKING FOR HOW IT LOOKS - INCLUDING SPECIAL EFFECTS ! YES IN FACTS ESPECIALLY SPECIAL EFFECTS.

Good gawd !

2. " If your arguement concerned the 280GTX or 4870X2 then sure I would probably be having a conversation with you on it, but simply put you are talking about a market that has no need for PhysX. "

BS - you don't want any discussion, first you say you can't stand PhysX, and claim others want nothing to do with it (they are looking for what ? ), and now you claim THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT.

YOU LIED WHEN YOU SAID YOU WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION. YOU MAY BE A MOD, BUT YOU'RE A LIAR TOO. STOP LYING TO ME.

3. Sli scales BETTER than crossfire - on rare occassion crossfire gets a great scaling. Across the board SLI does better - and the GTX260 is ESPECIALLY GOOD AT SLI SCALING.
ATI has a lot of problems there, and still DOES, and they don't have any way for force it like SLI can when IT WON'T WORK ! - with control panel specific GAME PROFILES.
You had better check your sources, because ATI has been getting BAKED over that problem - from the MAJOR TESTERS that have been around for a LONG TIME.

4. I guess you're so out of touch, you forgot about the GTX295 which beats the CRAP out of the 4870x2 - and YES NVIDIA DOES HAVE IT- AND SO DO THE HARDWARE TEST SITES - AND SO WILL MANY OF US AFTER JAN 8TH.
Maybe you MISSED the reviews ? A little too much PAIN for you ?

As to the rest of your argmuments, SMART GAMERS KNOW their monitors AND SYSTEMS will DO THE RESOLUTION THEY WANT TO DO THAT THEY CANNOT DO CURRENTLY WITH JUST A CARD UPGRADE.

Yes, if YOU had any sense, you'd realize the first thing to come IS THE GRAPHICS CARD.

They all run in PCI-e 1.0 - NO MOTHEROBARD UPGRADE IS EVEN NEEDED.

MANY 17" MONITORS RUN IN 1600X1200 - ALMOST ALL DO IN FACT.

SO YOU SIR, DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I'M YELLING BECAUSE YOU'RE SO WRONG.
" If you are playing on a 17" monitor you have no business even commenting on these products "

I SEE THE CENSOR HAS SPOKEN. NO BUSINESS EVEN COMMENTING - LOL

The BIG problem with your viewpoint is THESE TOP END CARDS HAVE A HARD TIME WITH VERY, VERY POPULAR GAMES IN RESOLUTIONS ABOVE 1600X1200 - AND IN FACT, YOU REALLY NEED A VERY EXPENSIVE SYSTEM TO PUSH THEM WITH CPU SCALING... BUT FOR THE AVERAGE USER - THE CARD MAY BE ALL THEY NEED !

They will play in the LOWER RESOLUTIONS - AND CRANK UP THE EYE CANDY- AND HAVE A GOOD FRAMERATE THE WHOLE TIME.

This is what the cards are really good for - HAVING A NICE BUFFER WHERE ANY GAME THEY PLAY IS GONIG TO RUN AND STAY ABOUT 30 FRAMES COMFORTABLY WITH WHATEVER EYE CANDY SETTINGS THEY USE.

YOU - ARE THE ONE WHO SHOULDN'T BE COMMENTING ...

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT 100%.

5. Well, you want to love ATI for competing. I've got no problem with that. HOWEVER - they are making more per card - at least that's what you RED RAGERS tell us.
So, NOW WHO IS SCAPLING ?

6. Now you want to run the NVidia corp ! roflmao They do fine without you.

7. This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the whine about NVidia reconfiguring and renaming the SAME CORE.....
BUT NOW YOU'RE BRAGGING IN REVERSE MODE ABOUT ATI - YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN.

WHAT IS THE REWORKING OF THE 8 SERIES CORE ? THE 9 ?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO PURCHASE A $20 8400GS ?
WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN WHEN YOU ARE SPEWING THAT CRAP ?

8. Thanks CLEO - SEE #4 - GEE WHEN YOU'RE PREACHING THEY ALREADY MADE A CARD YOU APPEAR TO BE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF - EITHER THAT. - OR YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER RED RAGER JERK0- WHO DIDN'T WANT TO BRING UP THE GTX295 JUST SO YOU COULD SPEW THAT NVIDIA HAS NOTHING THAT CAN TOUCH THE 4870X2

WHICH IS IT ? YOU A LIAR OR IGNORANT ? OR BOTH ?

7950X2 GX9800X2

SLI MANY YEARS BEFORE CROSSFIRE ! MANY YEARS.

9. The hd2900 had a *512 RINGBUS - *that's the part they wanted to scrap -

THE GTX295 RUNS COOLER THAN THE 4870X2 - USES LESS ELECTRIC - LOWER WATTAGE - OH WELL - I GUESS ALL YOU CAN REALLY BRAG ABOUT IS THE TINY WAFER OF SILICON THAT MAKES YOUR REDGOD COMPANY RICHER

The GTX260 USES LESS POWER THAN THE 4870 - THE 4870 IS A FAT POWERHOG..... AND IT RUNS HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT .

IN OTHER WORDS SO MUCH FOR SMALLER SILICON BUB !

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As to your multicore argument - the GPU cores already have multithread capability - and we shall see how the die shrinkage goes - wether or not one slab of pcb houses one or two or more full gpu cores- the limit at our user end is TWO currently.
GET THAT THRU YER THICK SKULL AS YOU BLOVIATE ON ENDLESSLY.
WHAT DO I MEAN ?
"
8. You will see Nvidia stray away from the single powerhouse GPU to a scalable GPU that can be used in multi configs like the X2s have been. The future of hardware is all about scalability.. "

I GUESS YOU NEVER HEARD OF THE GX2/7950, RIGHT MORON ? RIGHT REDBOY ? IS THAT RIGHT MR MOD ? HUH ? HUH YOU JERK OFF ?

IS IT OR IS IT NOT TRUE THAT NVIDIA ALREADY DID THIS CRAP YOU SPEW ABOUT IN #8 ? ISN'T IT TRUE THAT YOUR RED TEAM IS THE ONE WHO "CAUGHT AND DECIDED TO GIVE IT A TRY ? !!!!"

WELL MR MODERATOR KNOW IT ALL ?!????
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Yeah, I thought so - maybe not WRONG 100% of the time - but yer damned close !

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What else for gawd sakes - there's more crap to straighten out from him...

I guess yer just in severe denial
" First X2 hits the ground as the 3870X2 becomes the most powerful card on the market until Nvidia fires back with the 9000 series. "

REALLY ... boy you better CHECK YOUR SOURCES SONNY. t r y gx2 7 9 5 0 you moron.

IF YOU TRY TO CLAIM SINGLE SLOT SOLUTION - AS IF YOU MEANT THAT - EAT THIS YOU UNINFORMED FALSIFIER!

" The Gigabyte 3D1 fused two GeForce 6600 GT GPUs and 256MB of memory onto one board (128MB of GDDR3 memory per GPU), providing full GeForce 6600 GT SLI functionality from one package that comfortably fit into a SINGLE SLOT in your system. "

OH WELL YOU'RE JUST WRONG ! NOOB.

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" 280GTX isnt even in the same league as 4870X2 ....."

WRONG - THE GTX280 SOMETIMES BEATS THE 4870x2 - AND WHEN THEY ARE SLI"ed THE 4870 loses a LOT.

Even the GTX260 SLI beats the 4870X2 2048 MORE OFTEN THAN NOT

- and NOW THE 240 CORE GTX260x2 (GTX295) HAS BEEN STOMPING THE 4870x2

BUT YOU AREN'T AWARE OF THE CARD. YOU'RE A KNOW IT ALL - KNOW NOTHING GET IT WRONG ALMOST ALL THE TIME LIAR.


As to the rest of your spewing lies post - you ARE A RED RAGING FANBOY - only your edit ISN'T A PACK OF LIES AND DECPETIONS. IN FACT YOUR EDIT IS FINE - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD ENOUGH TO BE CALLED TRUTHFUL.

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NOW MAKE SURE YOU DELETE THIS YOU COWARD SO NOONE SEES HOW WRONG YOU ARE - AND -

do your SICK LIAR duty and BAN ME - YOU PIECE OF RED FANBOY CRAP.

BlueMak

Oh man, not good enough that you sent the above bible to me in pm (why?) you also post it here. I am not even going to read it. Take the banana out of your ass and RELAX.
I don't care which card is better, I have the 4870X2 and I couldn't be happier. My previous card was the 8800GTS, before that the 1800XT, etc etc.

Just CHILL OUT!

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

SiliconDoc

Oh when reg rager boy comes in he'll just ban me.
Let's list what RED PIGHEAD GOT WRONG. THIS IS WHAT RED RAGING MOD PIG liar SAID - HE LIKES TO SEND PM THREATS FIRST, THEN SPEW HIS RED LIES.

YEAH STUFF YOUR GODDAMNED LIES WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE !

SiliconDoc

yEAH, JUST A SECOND FOR RED SPANKY ' ILL GET HIM THE GODDAMNED LINKS - SO HE CAN EAT HIS FUCKING HAT

SiliconDoc

here the 295 slams the 4870x2 - and the GTX280 DAMN NEAR BEATS THE 4870X2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 Video Card Preview - Page 11 - Hardware Canucks

THE CORE 216 SLAMS THE 4870 1 GIG ABOVE.

Fudzilla

295 WINS BEST SINGLE CARD TOP DOMINATOR WHIPPING THE 4870X2 ABOVE

PhysX Games List
PHYSX GAMES
TH WHATEVER AND EA SIGNED ON - AND MORE ARE SIGNING ON - PHYSX IS GROWING IN THE PLAYSTATION MARKETS - IT'S NOT GOING AWAY - SOMETHING BETTER WILL HAVE TO EMERGE FIRST. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING BETTER RIGHT NOW.
HAVOK IS ALREADY INTEGRATED AND JUST AS WIDESPREAD - BUT IT'S YESTERDAYS TECH GOOD - BUT MORE IS PHYSX.

What links does red fanban want ? WHAT MORE YOU WANT FANBOY - OR JUST BAN ME - YOU PIECE OF CRAP.

BlueMak

Man, you are either a troll or have the IQ of an out of date banana flavoured frozen yogurt. Either way, thanks for making us laugh.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

SiliconDoc

Cripes another LIE " ATI also has the 4850 with slightly lower performance than the 4870 and a lower pricepoint even under the 260GTX which Nvidia has no product to fit that market at the time. "

Try 9800GT 9800GTX 9800GTX+ , and the 8800GT - which in SLI still takes almost the VERY TOP in very few games.
Nothing in that range ? :LOL
That goes well with all the whines about "rebranding" and "renaming" the same thing.

Here comes some LINKS:
Let's start with your very own site and the low end NVidia 9800GT of those I mentioned:
" When deciding which card to buy one of the main features which should be taken into account is performance and overall we feel that the 4850 Sonic just edges ahead of the 9800 GT Sonic. "

Bosh , that 9800GT wouldn't be a REBRANDED 8800 gt chip with slightly different setup would it ? Now that WOULD DESTROY the argument that there isn't anything in the range since "ALL YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS THE HIGH END NVIDIA LATEST 200 CORE " !!! AND COMPARE IT TO THE NEW ATI CORE - THE PROBLEM IS A VERY MUCH OLDER CORE FROM NVIDIA COMPETES HEAD TO HEAD WITH THE LATEST TOPCORE KNOCKDOWN FROM ATI !

Think about it red fanboy ! Your reds latest core knocked down for the 4850 - AND NVIDIA TAKES 3-4 GENERATIONS BACK AND EQUALS IT !!!

OH BOY - THAT TRUTH REALLY HURTS- OMG IT'S SO BAD NOONE CAN SAY IT BUT ME ! OH BAN BAN BAN ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH AND BEING "A SPAMMER!" AND A MEANIE!

( thank YOURSELF for lying in such GRAND FASHION and causing the RAGE).

let's REVIEW - THE G80 NVIDIA CORE BEFORE THE G84,G90,AND G92, IS CURENTLY USED TO MATCH UP AGAINST THE ATI TOP DOG CORE KNOCKDOWN.( yes it's a g92 in the 9800gt but it sure ain't a g200 )

YET YOU WHINED NVIDIA IS - whatever the hell you whined...oh doesn't have a market segment there......

BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4850 newegg right around $130-$150 after rebates (some higher)
9800GT " $ 90- $130 "
9800GTX " $ $150 ONLY
9800GTX+ $ 130 - $200 < LOTS OF CHOICES BEATS 4850

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I WILL caveate that I have seen some good 4850 CF scores, but I'm not certain how they compare to SLI in the above nvidia cards. I guess I'll check
GeForce 9800 GTX+ SLI review (plus model)

It appears ONLY in 2650x1600 can the 4850 win - IN ALL OTHER RESOLUTIONS the 9800GTX+ wins - and all of us can be CERTAIN that the general buyer does NOT have a 1500 to 2000 grand monitor to run those resolutions.

So oh well - SO MUCH FOR THAT HOGWASH ABOUT NO COMPETING PIECE IN THE PRICE SEGMENT !!
THE 4850 HAS DROPPED FURTHER FROM $200 BECAUSE IT IS NOT AS GOOD !

Yeah, boy - so many LIES !
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Come on - I'm waiting for one of the red ragers to tell me the 9800GT - and the 9800GTX and the 9800GTX+ ARE REALLY NEWER CORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you have to NOW - since your OWN WEBSITE puts the 4850 (the LATEST CORE cripple from ATI ) up against the 9800GT and calls it VERY CLOSE ?

WHAT ABOUT THAT YEAR OF SCREAMING NVIDIA JUST REUSED AN OLD CORE ?

UH OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RED FANBOY PROBLEM ! IS IT AN OLD CORE - JUST A REWORKED NOTHING COMPETING WITH THE LATEST GREATEST 4000 SERIES FROM ATI ?

Yeah.... oops---- red rage blowout.

Just HOW FAR FROM THE TRUTH have the red fans wandered ?
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Here's how far : Redban mod master compared the 4850 with the GTX200 !!!!!!!!

HELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Gosh, hate to break it to you - it is to be compared with the 9800GT - that aging, dying old raggy core of - the 8800GT

Oh well, ATI will have something to beat several generations ago from NVidia in their #2 card soon.

OUCH ! Yes that's how far the BS has travelled from the truth.

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NO YOU DON'T GET TO SAY "I SAID AT THE TIME!"
NOPE SORRY LIAR !
"
In particular, Radeon HD 4870 with 512mb GDDR5 memory will be proposed for $329, and Radeon HD 4850 with 512mb GDDR3 memory will be proposed for $229. Thus, AMD reduced the initial prices by $20.
Associates also report that Radeon HD 4870 will be approximately up to 40% faster than GeForce 9800 GTX, and Radeon HD 4850 will prove to be 10% faster than the same Nvidia video card"

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-53...rice-drop.html

GOLLY THE CARD WAS ALREADY THERE - AT THE TIME - BEFORE THE RELEASE - OH F'ING WELL!

The 9800gtx vs the 4850
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...06&articID=849

A very even split it appears on the sterile benchmarks

SiliconDoc

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BlueMak

nvm

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

ChaosMinionX

I think someone has had too much eggnog this Christmas season....

If you would post something with a bit of coherence and substance you would be worth my time.

I also did not threaten you, posting multiple times to yourself is indeed spamming when you could have put your whole rants in one post.

Thank you for the good laugh though

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Zardon

I received a few PMs about this thread.

I actually don't agree with a few things Chaosminion said especially about phsyX, but thats the joys of a forum .... the debate.

Unfortunately when you join this forum and aren't capable of a debate but instead decide that ranting, swearing and shouting at other people is acceptable then I need to step in. I dislike banning people but sometimes it has to be done.

Im a massive fan of Nvidia products as anyone on this forum knows but I need to draw the line somewhere.

Necrosis

Drugs are bad mmmm...kay!

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kris23

this was so funny......

either way, when the new cards drop from nvidia and ATi, ill make my choice..... since i finally have access to all my money now.....

anybody know when this GTX 295 hits? or is that still NDA?

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OmegaRED

Oh my good Lord in Hell...this thread went way off the deep end. That banned dude is just crazy (didn't read everything he said but the fact that he typed that much makes him utterly screw-loose).

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kris23

lol yea....

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Zardon

8th January. 285GTX is 16th

kris23

cool.

thanks Z

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Mousey

People like silicondoc deserve to eat their own graphics cards. What's the point about getting so hyped up and crazy about a performance comparison?
Jeesus, Somebody shoot the guy please

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Neshi

that's exactly what I thought.. I mean, what is wrong between comparing cards of same pricerange, even if one of those cards is a little bit older or uses an old core. It's not about that, it's about what has the best performance for the price.

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The only guarantee in life is failure, to achieve success you have to take risks.

blibbax

I've always used Nvidia cards and will almost certainly continue to do so, but that guy was an idiot. Good choice, Zardon.

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ChaosMinionX

You like PhysX Z?

I know you love your Nvidia but wasnt sure on your view of PhysX, maybe you would like to share what you like?

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tanka12345

Yeah, I agree. Z should tell us his opinion on PhysX.
Personally I think it isn't developed enough yet for it to be popular.

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Whats not to like about additional image quality? lets be honest. Most hardware publications messed up their coverage of PhsyX because all they explained were "frame rates" and people seem to be under this impression that "its slower than without it". Which is going to be pretty obvious if you analyse it.

Isnt everyone on the holy grail now for IQ? I know I am. I would rather have a game running at 40fps with particle effects, debris and other extras than at 60fps without. Cyrostatis for example is a wonderful indication of what is possible if the developers tackle it. GRAW2 still looks great (Ageia island in particular) and the tornado in Unreal Tournament is another. The upcoming Mirrors Edge on the PC uses it as do a few others on the horizon.

We covered it pretty well in the past I think. http://www.driverheaven.net/articles.php?articleid=122

I don't think we can give a negative view on something because it has yet to be adopted by the masses. Will it be a success? I dont know, id like to see more developers using it but lets see how it goes in 2009. As a technology its extremely appealing to me, it always was, even when it was just a hardware solution before Nvidia bought it over.