3540 bug reports

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Mar 27, 2008, 08:59 PM

please post your 3540 bug reports here
pls review 'known issues' first!

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previous bug reports:
3539 bug reports
3538m bug report
3538l bug reports
3538k bug reports
3538j bug reports
3538i bug reports

please note that any version earlier than 3540 is no longer supported!

Russ · Mar 28, 2008, 06:29 PM

It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer.
i.e.
When Wave is muted in Windows mixer it is unmuted in kX (no wave sound), but when it is unmuted in Windows mixer (Wave sound works), it is muted in kxmixer (so kx mixer cannot be used to control wave volume (and it is muted in Windows mixer by default)). Can anyone else verify this (before I reinstall kX)? [COLOR=Gray]<Thanks for the verification osm0sis

>[/COLOR]

It seems the default DSP config (DSP connections) was not updated for updated Surrounder+ code, so it shows an extra pin for 10k1 cards (as older Surrounder+ had an extra pin), although it does appear to be using the newer code. Unloading/reloading Surrounder+ works correctly.

The skin file was not attached to FxRouter again

(SB0228 on WinXP)

<edit>
All of the above is fixed in 3541
</edit>

osm0sis · Mar 28, 2008, 06:35 PM

I can verify the out-of-sync problem; was just about to report it myself. Though I must add, it's great to be able to use the Windows mixer at all in a new kX version again.

Also, I forgot to mention that another two default Windows mixer columns "kX1 / MicIn" and "kX0 / LineIn" don't appear to correspond to anything in either the Ins-And-Outs, Recording or AC97 pages of the kX Mixer. Is this another bug, or is there something I'm missing here?

I'm using a SB0220.

Russ · Mar 28, 2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osm0sis

Also, I forgot to mention that another two default Windows mixer columns "kX1 / MicIn" and "kX0 / LineIn" don't appear to correspond to anything in either the Ins-And-Outs, Recording or AC97 pages of the kX Mixer. Is this another bug, or is there something I'm missing here?

I do not know if they are supposed to do something different in 3540, but this is normal behavior for (some) earlier kX versions. i.e. You had to use kX Console to assign those sliders to a plugin in order to use them. I have not tested this functionality in 3540 myself as of yet. [COLOR=Gray]<edit> Tested with kX0, and it appears to work same as it did previously. </edit>[/COLOR]

osm0sis · Mar 28, 2008, 08:18 PM

Ah, I see. I had just assumed that they would tie in to their corresponding slider in kX Mixer, ie. "kX1 / MicIn" to the "AC97 In" etc. where the Mic sound comes from.

But now I see that LineIn is also in the AC97 page.. so perhaps that's why?

Russ · Mar 28, 2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osm0sis

But now I see that LineIn is also in the AC97 page.. so perhaps that's why?

I am not sure what you mean... That slider was there previously...

In any case, we should try and leave this thread for bug related stuff only, other questions, etc should probably be made in a new thread.

Russ · Mar 29, 2008, 02:35 AM

There is one (new) "other" mixer device "SPDIF/AC3 Output", and programs no longer seem to offer SPDIF output as an option, and as such I cannot use kX for AC3 decoding. I suspect that 10k2 users may have a similar problem with AC3 Passthru, etc. (can anyone confirm this?).

(SB0228 on WinXP)

[COLOR=Gray]i.e.
PowerDVD shows "SPDIF Output Device: Not Detected" and thus does not give that option.

VLC no longer shows the A/52 Over SPDIF option, etc.

[/COLOR]<edit>
Fixed in 3541
</edit>

Lemonzest · Mar 29, 2008, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer.
i.e.
When Wave is muted in Windows mixer it is unmuted in kX (no wave sound), but when it is unmuted in Windows mixer (Wave sound works), it is muted in kxmixer (so kx mixer cannot be used to control wave volume (and it is muted in Windows mixer by default)). Can anyone else verify this (before I reinstall kX)? [COLOR=Gray]<Thanks for the verification osm0sis

>[/COLOR]

It seems the default DSP config (DSP connections) was not updated for updated Surrounder+ code, so it shows an extra pin for 10k1 cards (as older Surrounder+ had an extra pin), although it does appear to be using the newer code. Unloading/reloading Surrounder+ works correctly.

The skin file was not attached to FxRouter again

(SB0228 on WinXP)

I can also confirm this on a SB0350 in Server 2003. Also, the volume level is inverted, when in windows control pannel its fully to the top and unmited, in kx its muted and at the bottom. 3DSE is not working either, i have Off/Low/Normal/High and selecting any of them, makes no diffrence and going to another pannel and back again resets it to off, it worked in 3438m

Quote:

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Mar 28 2008 03:37:28
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3540 - debug
DB Name:none
SB0350 10k2 [dcc0]
PCI Information:
Device: 41102 Subsys: 20021102 ChipRev: 4
Card is '10k2'
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card is Audigy2-compatible
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: Unk AC97-codec [83847650]
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out-
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
Ext Capabilities [605]: -var rate PCM audio- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: dcc0 Irq: 0x5(5)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 2 Service Pack 1; 2 5 2 Service Pack 1; 156 148]
----------------------------------------------------

Also getting some scratchy sound when using OpenAL games. tried setting the playback buffer to max (17ms 16384 bytes) and still scratching.

Russ · Mar 29, 2008, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemonzest

3DSE is not working either, i have Off/Low/Normal/High and selecting any of them, makes no diffrence and going to another pannel and back again resets it to off, it worked in 3438m

3DSE does work for me (verified by reading the AC97 registers in kX Console), but kX always shows it as OFF after the page is refreshed.

<edit>
3541 fixes the issue of 3DSE setting not being shown correctly in kxmixer (with my card anyway).
</edit>

Lemonzest · Mar 29, 2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

3DSE does work for me (verified by reading the AC97 registers in kX Console), but kX always shows it as OFF after the page is refreshed.

whats the registers to check? so i can confirm? changing the settings here has no audible diffrence, where's in previous drivers i could tell imeaditily

changing some of the buffer settings, i just had a screeching bsod stop error

Russ · Mar 29, 2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemonzest

whats the registers to check? so i can confirm?

With my card it is registers 20h (bit 13 (On/Off)) and 22h (bits 3:2 ([COLOR=Gray]Off/[/COLOR]Low/Normal/High)).

[COLOR=Gray]i.e. in kX Console
gac97 20
gac97 22
[/COLOR]

pro d · Mar 29, 2008, 07:35 PM

please fix the link for download latest update version [3540];

Legend102 · Mar 31, 2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer.

im having this prob also....

SB0220 in XP

hope they'll fix that

Bob57 · Mar 31, 2008, 04:05 PM

initially No Sound at all with 3540 driver. 3539 wo9rked before and after.
eventually I found that the WAV slider in the windows volume control was Muted. Confirming the reversed sense of WAV slider and MUTE between kX mixer and Windows volume, also loss of sound whenever KX Wav control is touched. Ouch.

ct4760 XP SP2

TravelRec. · Apr 1, 2008, 07:11 AM

For Audigy2ZSNotebook the input selector on Mixer page (Mic/Line) still behaves reversed, as in 3539 before. The analog Line input on A2ZSNB is around 8db lower than the real signal feeded in. No other problems so far... Since I use a custom DSP setup with ProFX, the sound is present just after installing the new package.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Apr 1, 2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

3DSE does work for me (verified by reading the AC97 registers in kX Console), but kX always shows it as OFF after the page is refreshed.

3540 uses the following algorithm:
1. check RESET (0x00) register: if bits SE0..SE4 (bits 10..14) are not 0000, continue, otherwise, 3dse is not supported
2. check GENERAL (0x20) register: if bit 0x2000 is set, 3dse is enabled
3dse level is configured via 3D_CTRL register (0x22). AC97 codec is programmed the following way: 3d_ctrl = (kx mixer value &0x3) + (kxmixer value &0x3)<<2; [this is not 100% correct, but it was necessary for 10k1 AC97 codecs...]

I'm not sure if this works, but it used to about 5 years ago. Since that time, I have no ac97-capable devices to check this code.

If you think this is invalid, please drop me an e-mail [kxproject.com/contact.php].

E.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Apr 1, 2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

There is one (new) "other" mixer device "SPDIF/AC3 Output", and programs no longer seem to offer SPDIF output as an option, and as such I cannot use kX for AC3 decoding. I suspect that 10k2 users may have a similar problem with AC3 Passthru, etc. (can anyone confirm this?).

(SB0228 on WinXP)

[COLOR=Gray]i.e.
PowerDVD shows "SPDIF Output Device: Not Detected" and thus does not give that option.

VLC no longer shows the A/52 Over SPDIF option, etc.[/COLOR]

Hmm... My PowerDVD works fine. (Both XP and Vista).
I also have VLC, and it works fine as well.
Please capture debug log for VLC scenario and send them by e-mail.

E.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Apr 1, 2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer.
i.e.
When Wave is muted in Windows mixer it is unmuted in kX (no wave sound), but when it is unmuted in Windows mixer (Wave sound works), it is muted in kxmixer (so kx mixer cannot be used to control wave volume (and it is muted in Windows mixer by default)). Can anyone else verify this (before I reinstall kX)? [COLOR=Gray]<Thanks for the verification osm0sis

>[/COLOR]

It seems the default DSP config (DSP connections) was not updated for updated Surrounder+ code, so it shows an extra pin for 10k1 cards (as older Surrounder+ had an extra pin), although it does appear to be using the newer code. Unloading/reloading Surrounder+ works correctly.

The skin file was not attached to FxRouter again

(SB0228 on WinXP)

The strange thing is, I was unable to reproduce this problem : )
Please check that all mixers for 4/5, 6/7, 8/9 devices have their volume setting set to maximum. I noticed minor bug with 3540 - if I tweak kX Mixer's wave slider, Windows 4/5 mixer is moving 'SW Synth' slider instead...

Note that installing 3540 over 353x may cause this problem, since legacy mixer information is kept in the registry. You may need to uninstall the driver manually from the Device Manager...

E.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Apr 1, 2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer.
i.e.
When Wave is muted in Windows mixer it is unmuted in kX (no wave sound), but when it is unmuted in Windows mixer (Wave sound works), it is muted in kxmixer (so kx mixer cannot be used to control wave volume (and it is muted in Windows mixer by default)). Can anyone else verify this (before I reinstall kX)? [COLOR=Gray]<Thanks for the verification osm0sis

>[/COLOR]

It seems the default DSP config (DSP connections) was not updated for updated Surrounder+ code, so it shows an extra pin for 10k1 cards (as older Surrounder+ had an extra pin), although it does appear to be using the newer code. Unloading/reloading Surrounder+ works correctly.

The skin file was not attached to FxRouter again

(SB0228 on WinXP)

skin: fixed : )

surrounder+: pls drop me an e-mail with a detailed description of the problem?

E.

osm0sis · Apr 1, 2008, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Gavrilov

The strange thing is, I was unable to reproduce this problem : )
Please check that all mixers for 4/5, 6/7, 8/9 devices have their volume setting set to maximum. I noticed minor bug with 3540 - if I tweak kX Mixer's wave slider, Windows 4/5 mixer is moving 'SW Synth' slider instead...

Note that installing 3540 over 353x may cause this problem, since legacy mixer information is kept in the registry. You may need to uninstall the driver manually from the Device Manager...

E.

I installed 3540 after uninstalling 353x, and it was definitely gone since the Windows volume icon disappeared from the systray. I just did a global settings reset, and it still presents the same muting problem (muting XP Mixer Wave unmutes kX Mixer Wave and vice versa). All the other wave sliders (4/5 etc) are turned up.

Russ · Apr 1, 2008, 10:16 PM

I also did a full uninstall before installing 3540.

Regarding 3DSE, maybe you misunderstood, but I said that it DOES work on my card, aside from an issue with the GUI.
i.e. AC97 registers look to be set correctly, and the kX AC97 values in the Windows registry (reg_32/reg_34 [COLOR=Gray](0x20/0x22)[/COLOR]) shows the correct values [COLOR=Gray](after exiting kxmixer)[/COLOR], but kxmixer always shows it as OFF, once the page has been refreshed [COLOR=Gray](after the initial setting change)[/COLOR].

In any case, I will redo the install and re-test, and then I will send you the info.

BTW: Adjusting wave slider in kxmixer not only effects Synth on 4/5, but also on 6/7 and 8/9 (in addition to wave).

Lemonzest · Apr 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

the 3DSE thing, when i used it on my old SB Live! 5.1 SB22x i could tell right away it was working because the sound either sounded "wider" or "echoed" but on my Audidy 2 ZS SB350 i hear no difference at all between settings.

Russ · Apr 2, 2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemonzest

the 3DSE thing, when i used it on my old SB Live! 5.1 SB22x i could tell right away it was working because the sound either sounded "wider" or "echoed" but on my Audidy 2 ZS SB350 i hear no difference at all between settings.

I suggest we move this discussion to this thread (until we have some useful info for Eugene):
3dse question

Mar 27, 2008, 08:59 PM	#1
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,037 Rep Power: 56	3540 bug reports please post your 3540 bug reports here pls review 'known issues' first! --- previous bug reports: 3539 bug reports 3538m bug report 3538l bug reports 3538k bug reports 3538j bug reports 3538i bug reports please note that any version earlier than 3540 is no longer supported!

Mar 28, 2008, 06:29 PM	#2
Russ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,828 Rep Power: 41	It seems that the Wave volume in kX mixer is out of sync with the Windows mixer. i.e. When Wave is muted in Windows mixer it is unmuted in kX (no wave sound), but when it is unmuted in Windows mixer (Wave sound works), it is muted in kxmixer (so kx mixer cannot be used to control wave volume (and it is muted in Windows mixer by default)). Can anyone else verify this (before I reinstall kX)? [COLOR=Gray]<Thanks for the verification osm0sis >[/COLOR] It seems the default DSP config (DSP connections) was not updated for updated Surrounder+ code, so it shows an extra pin for 10k1 cards (as older Surrounder+ had an extra pin), although it does appear to be using the newer code. Unloading/reloading Surrounder+ works correctly. The skin file was not attached to FxRouter again (SB0228 on WinXP) <edit> All of the above is fixed in 3541 </edit> Last edited by Russ; Apr 4, 2008 at 09:04 PM.

Mar 28, 2008, 06:35 PM	#3
osm0sis DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	I can verify the out-of-sync problem; was just about to report it myself. Though I must add, it's great to be able to use the Windows mixer at all in a new kX version again. Also, I forgot to mention that another two default Windows mixer columns "kX1 / MicIn" and "kX0 / LineIn" don't appear to correspond to anything in either the Ins-And-Outs, Recording or AC97 pages of the kX Mixer. Is this another bug, or is there something I'm missing here? I'm using a SB0220. Last edited by osm0sis; Mar 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM. Reason: more to say.

Mar 29, 2008, 02:35 AM	#7
Russ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,828 Rep Power: 41	There is one (new) "other" mixer device "SPDIF/AC3 Output", and programs no longer seem to offer SPDIF output as an option, and as such I cannot use kX for AC3 decoding. I suspect that 10k2 users may have a similar problem with AC3 Passthru, etc. (can anyone confirm this?). (SB0228 on WinXP) [COLOR=Gray]i.e. PowerDVD shows "SPDIF Output Device: Not Detected" and thus does not give that option. VLC no longer shows the A/52 Over SPDIF option, etc. [/COLOR]<edit> Fixed in 3541 </edit> Last edited by Russ; Apr 4, 2008 at 09:05 PM.

Mar 31, 2008, 04:05 PM	#14
Bob57 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	initially No Sound at all with 3540 driver. 3539 wo9rked before and after. eventually I found that the WAV slider in the windows volume control was Muted. Confirming the reversed sense of WAV slider and MUTE between kX mixer and Windows volume, also loss of sound whenever KX Wav control is touched. Ouch. ct4760 XP SP2 Last edited by Bob57; Mar 31, 2008 at 08:03 PM. Reason: more testing

Mar 28, 2008, 08:18 PM	#5
osm0sis DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Ah, I see. I had just assumed that they would tie in to their corresponding slider in kX Mixer, ie. "kX1 / MicIn" to the "AC97 In" etc. where the Mic sound comes from. But now I see that LineIn is also in the AC97 page.. so perhaps that's why?

Mar 29, 2008, 07:35 PM	#12
pro d DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ukraine Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	please fix the link for download latest update version [3540];

Apr 1, 2008, 07:11 AM	#15
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,704 Rep Power: 42	For Audigy2ZSNotebook the input selector on Mixer page (Mic/Line) still behaves reversed, as in 3539 before. The analog Line input on A2ZSNB is around 8db lower than the real signal feeded in. No other problems so far... Since I use a custom DSP setup with ProFX, the sound is present just after installing the new package. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Apr 1, 2008, 10:16 PM	#21
Russ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,828 Rep Power: 41	I also did a full uninstall before installing 3540. Regarding 3DSE, maybe you misunderstood, but I said that it DOES work on my card, aside from an issue with the GUI. i.e. AC97 registers look to be set correctly, and the kX AC97 values in the Windows registry (reg_32/reg_34 [COLOR=Gray](0x20/0x22)[/COLOR]) shows the correct values [COLOR=Gray](after exiting kxmixer)[/COLOR], but kxmixer always shows it as OFF, once the page has been refreshed [COLOR=Gray](after the initial setting change)[/COLOR]. In any case, I will redo the install and re-test, and then I will send you the info. BTW: Adjusting wave slider in kxmixer not only effects Synth on 4/5, but also on 6/7 and 8/9 (in addition to wave). Last edited by Russ; Apr 3, 2008 at 07:24 AM.

Apr 2, 2008, 11:17 AM	#22
Lemonzest DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 0	the 3DSE thing, when i used it on my old SB Live! 5.1 SB22x i could tell right away it was working because the sound either sounded "wider" or "echoed" but on my Audidy 2 ZS SB350 i hear no difference at all between settings. __________________ [color=DarkOrange]AMD Athlon64 3000+ @2.4GHz, DFI Lanparty UT NF3 250Gb, 2x1024MB Geil Value Ram PC3200 ATI Radeon X800XT VIVO, SyncMaster 913N LCD, Logitech MX518, Creative Audigy2 ZS Enermax Noisetaker 485W, Western Digital SATA 160GB, Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard[/color]

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