stoliD

hi guys. listen out to this one. i got an 1700+ and gf4mx460 with a 3dmark01se score of 5800 points. i now upgraded to a 2400+ and a radeon9600 (non-pro however) and thought to come somewhere near 9000 or sth with this combo, i actually end up 100 points less than my old system, 5700!!! How the heck can that be? Please help....

Chaos

WEll it would seem there is a problem here....I list of your system components would be a big help....

I would uninstall your 9600 and all ATi software

Then I would make sure there are no traces of your old Nvidia files left anywhere....
(try Driver Cleaner), then if you are comfortable with regedit, go have a look to make sure there are no folders from nvidia left over....

then I would reboot and do a fresh install of the ATi drivers and Control Panel

stoliD

ok listen up,

athlon xp 2400+
ms-6511 mainboard
512mb sdram
9600 radeon (non-pro)
winxp pro sp1

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i know the sdram is lame, but still y is it now slower thatn with the old gf4mx and the slower cpu (1700+). After removing the old GF4mx, i uninsatlled the nvidia drivers, and also used the DriverheavenCleaner to remove everything that was left, as well as cleaning the registry. I then put in the new Radeon9600 and cleanly installed the stock (not omega) 3.6catalysts..... Shall i go for a complete new WinXP PRO install?.. the 5700points are nothing but lame, and i sure havent payed 200$ for 100points less of performance....im gettin mad...

Chaos

I kinda thought I was listening but I was just not hearing all the info until now.....

If you don't have mission critical stuff on your system then hell ya go for a clean install, why not, it only takes an hour to get back up and running after fdisking your drive

stoliD

alrite clean install... be back tellin what i get after it...

stoliD

alrite, i did a clean install. put on the chipset drivers (via hyperion 4.49p2) the catalysts and still have ~5700.... man somethings terribly wrong here.... i use the newest 3dmark01se (build 330)... any ideas what could be wrong?!....

Chaos

Ok so the next thing would be to look in the ATi control panel and make sure that the Direct 3D section is set to performance and all the sliders are moved to the far left....

Next go to the SmartGART and see how the card is displayed

4x or 8x AGP

Fastwrite On or Off ? MAny people have trouble with fastwrites enabled so I would try it on first then off the next time.....also make sure u disable it in the BIOS to make sure it's off and enable when you have it on..

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stoliD

alrite, first of all i'd really like to thank you for your help so far. Now the details, i pushed every bar i could see to the left (performance), have AGP 4x (my board cant do more than this) and Fastwrites Enabled. I now have a score of 5986... which is 200more than before but still.... its a shame.

I looked at some technical details and recognized my 9600 has a MemoryBandwith of 6,4GB/s whereas my old GF4MX460 has one of 8,6GB/s... coz of the faster ddr speed. Still i think the 9600 is a brandnew dx9 chip with vertex and pixelshaders the GF4MX460 did not have and the score is pretty depressing... I tried runnin some games and they dont look smoother now...

When i also take into credit that im now runnin a 500mhz faster CPU than before, this makes me think the radeon9600 is SLOWER than a crappy gf4mx460 in the end... can that be?

update: with fastwrites disabled and increased agp aperture setting to 256, i get 6009points...23more... still any ideas?

Chaos

Dude I am at a loss right now, unless the VIA KT133 chipset and SDRAM is causing a major bottleneck, the 9600 should be comparable to a FX 5600 not a GF4 MX460. Do you have access to another system to test the card in.....

Also have you done a comparisson using 3DMark03, 3DMark01 is more CPU intensive where 3DMark03 focuses pretty much on the GPU instead....

You may want to have a look @ this article and perhaps hold off judgement until you can possible upgrade your motherboard and ram

stoliD

what to do... no other system to test in... well even if 01 is cpu-dependent it should be much higher with a 2400 than with a 1700.... fuck, 200bugs for nothin... any clue who else could help???

Roadee

You really do need to run 3DMark 2003.......that is very intensive and your card should score pretty damn good on it. Without having another system to throw your vid card into......it is the only way I can think of to test your card.

Also......did you install XP......then SP1.........then latest MB driver's.......then Dx 9.0b......then video drivers.......then the critical updates?? Just curious on this one.

With your cpu and vid card, your score for 2001SE should be around 7,000 to 9,000, and with DDR memory and a better MB it should be 9,000 to 11,000. So either the vid card is bad....or your MB is causing conflicts and not being able to handle the increased through put. Only thing is.......the only real way to tell is either put your vid card in someone else's computer......or put someone else's vid card in your comupter........both would be better. Any way it goes......you need to find a way to test that vid card.

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Veridian3

Hi,

I've been running a 9600 non pro in my main PC between reviews over the last couple of months and with my 2600+ i was getting about 8800 with no tweaks and best image quality so there is something well wrong with your setup....i'm just not sure what!

Can you check the clockspeeds of your card to make sure they are correct (should be 300/200) and also try the omega drivers just to make sure its not some mad driver issue.

Have you also checked the processor is running at the correct speed...i can't find the MS-6511 on the MSI website but other sites seem to say it doesnt support the 2400+

Stu

Chaos

So far anything I can find says the board will take up to a 2000+ maximum unless there is a new bios tha allows it to take more CPU's

Here is a link to a pdf of the board is this the correct board??

Here is another one, was it a PB PC

Here is a thread on a Packard Bell website that you may want to follow also

FluffyChicken

Benchmark the card's in the games you play. Only real way to find if there is a difference

go here http://www.h-oda.com/
get the WCPUID program, to check your CPU setup


Also given the 9600 is numbered inbetween the 9700 and 9500 then it should be about GeForce4 Ti4400/4600 speeds (which are almost twice as fast as the MX460).

Also to test it's not the CPU, put the 1700+ back in and check the difference.

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Chaos

Also do you have the FSB set to 133MHz or 100 MHz ??