With ATI's recent release.

Leekay07

They proved one thing. There slipping back alot quicker than anyone could have thought. Not only can they not even get the logistics together to have a part ready at launch (hell its been 6 month since they put off there original launch), but the part is no better than a 7800GT. I have been holding off on buying a new video card but now I`ll stick with my current one and hope that someone has the nuts to bring out a decent card with a big enough performance boost. The entire video card market is going to shift again in 10 month with the release of DX10.

So we spend $550 on a card now (well in 8-10 week) and it will be worth 300 at best in 10 month.

ATI should have given us something new. Something incredible but what did we get? Technology Nvidia released 2 years ago. Shame

I guess ATI spent so much time trying to impress there microsoft buddies that they for got us.

I fotgot to add that Our chums Launched ATI Crossfire and where is it?

MiDri

This stinks, I miss the passion behind the nvidia/3dfx card battles...

AlexM105

The X1800 XT is better than the 7800 GT...

Sandok

And the GTX is better than the X1800XT. And the 7800 GTX sounds cooler!

Dyre Straits

Here's an interesting article. Some of you may have already seen it:

http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardw...reports/6011/1



And another here: With Benchmarks

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...129TX1K0000532

AlexM105

Did anybody take the time to read DriverHeaven's own review?

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...xvxv/index.htm

It seems the X1800 XT is better than the 7800 GTX by a bit, overall.

snuffy

On performance I have to disagree with you there. I have samples of both cards. Each has its own advantage. (The 7800 GTX I have is a 490/1300 OC version. SLI/both 78.03/81.84 drivers tested) In older games and openGL the NV card seems faster. In newer games the ATI card really shines.

Due to the very new and different chip design of the r5xx series my guess is that there is much more performance left in the design.

Really the big issue is availablity. Will it ship in volume and soon.......only ATI knows.......

AlexM105

Exactly. It is also much more programmable than nVidia's counter-part. Wait for some driver updates too and it will be clear.

Sandok

True and I'm sure theX1800 will have driver imporvements but why X1800? Sounds bad... And depending on the site, ATI is limit with the 7800... Adn the 7800 has alot of OC potential!

snuffy

Read my post the 7800 GTX I compared the X1800 with was a OC version. Without major cooling 490/1300 is about the max most 7800 cards will run. (They get very hot runing there too.) I plan on testing the OC capability of the x1800 card. I do know that ATI had a OC party in Ibiza. They got a x1800 XT card OC'd to 880/1880. Of course the cards were phase changed cooled. The x1800 XT is a great card. I know this personally. So is the 7800 GTX. The XFX cards totally rock @ 490/1300.



I really only see one issue with X1800.....when will it arrive to the masses.

brutusmaximus

Are you sourcing your material from hardwareanalysis? Read the information, firstly the XT is winning most benchmarks apart from opengl games as would be expected, and secondly can the 7800 series handle HDR and AA together? this is the future. IQ is what we all need.

You sound like you are on NVs payroll to be honest man, every thread with anything relating to ATI in it, you are right there crapping all over it.

snuffy

The reality of it is that BOTH cards are very good cards. End of story....

Ubergrendle

I think what is proven is:
1. ATI's latest gen is very comparable in terms of performance w/ the 6800 and 7800 series by Nvidia.
2. ATI has lost 6 mos of sales coming late to market, and will probably require another quarter to fully ship.
3. Top of the line ATI will cost a bit more than a 7800GTX; these prices will close in on each other probably in the next few months.

I think people with X800/X850s, or high end 6600s or 6800s, will probably skip this generation and wait for the next.

For people on AGP, ATI's X800XL and X850XTs are your best bet. If you need a PCI-E card *today*, you're still going Nvidia. 3 months from now, X1600s over 6600s, but 7800s over X1800s unless the X1800s come down in price.

My $0.02.

Leekay07

Thanks for no negative responces. Why did Driverheaven compare a 512mb card to a 256mb card? Its a little unfair. Im sure the 512mb version of the 7800GTX will be faster. What everyone seems to have missed is Nvidia will produce the Ultra version the first 1/4 of 06 which its the current core @ 90nm process. Which will intern lower temps and enable to the clock speed to be upwards of 550-600mhz using the same cooling.

hassata

I had high hopes for this release as well. Oh well. Does it make sense to go from an X800 XT PE to a 7800 GTX with an FX-57 processor?

Thanks

Zardon

For the same reason we compared a single X1800XT to TWO 7800GTs in SLI - (surely going on your theory thats equally "unfair"), we wanted to give a good all round comparison so people can see a whole array of test results and make their own minds up. After all isnt that what a review is all about to give facts to the readers who then make up their own minds. While nvidia gave us hardware for the review they didnt have a 512 mb sample. when they do we aim to get one.

Zardon

Yes you will see noticeable gains as well as gaining SM3 support.

hassata

Thanks Zardon.

sc3000

I am ONLY intrested in IQ, I could care less about the speed and it looks like ATI kicked the crap out of nvidia with avivo

craig5320

Firstly I'm hoping ATI have held off so that they have a large stock pile at launch and can meet demand, ensuring no embarrassing short falls. Secondly with ATI's monthly driver program we're gonna be seeing better and better performance as things go on. This is the first batch of cards in the series. The hardware has a long way to go. I don't follow nVidia like I used to, but looking at the current crop I wouldn't say they have the performance yield left in there technology to keep it coming at a pace that in 6months is still gonna compare to ATI.

The new cards are impressive, not to everyone, but to most they are. But it's the developments to the architecture and new technologies that are gonna help ATI see this battle through.

No matter what anyone says competition is good, and it's still there, whether one company or the other appears to be the underdog, each one is always learning valuable lesson. We the consumer can only win.

ReDGuiTaR

The X1800XT is a good card but far too late in the round .... However i got high hope on the r580 chip, if they can match and slightly overcome 7800GTX with a revolutionary new design 16 pipelines card then let's wait for a 24-32 pipelines card with the same architecture . Is NVidia ready for the next round ??? they will have to move on 0.90nm process wich will let some time to ATI to regain the crown.

Anyway, my X800XL will be doing the job for 6-8 months ... wait and see !

Lakevren

To be honest, from all the rumors and speculation, I actually am satisfied with the results.

I could care less about OpenGL games. I REALLY could care less about Doom 3 and its biased results (as always, and biased results, I mean with the stupid Video-card sabotage bull that has begun immensely due to Doom 3).

As for me, this doesn't affect me too much, considering I'm still in AGP, and won't upgrade to PCI-E till next summer. By then, maybe ATI can get the next-gen card R620... or whatever it may be called.

And also, imagine if it was 24 pipelines.

So... will they implement Platinum edition? heh.

Plus, if you actually pay attention, all the Nvidia-biased games actually have a lead. The X1800XT surpasses or matches the rest of the non-Nvidia-biased games... But that could be the result of the 512mb mem.

Also, a little tip for the Nvidia fanboys:
Look at the average, not the fricking maximum. If you consider that, only doom 3 (and The Project, but it didn't work in the first place) actually gives a lead... for obvious reasons.

swatX

x1800xl ~ 7800GT
x1800XT~ 7800GTX

450$ vs 350$
499$ vs 419$

take your pick...


the point for reviewing doom3 is so that it can tell us how the cards will perform in future games who utilize doom3 engine. QuakeIV , RTCW2, QuakeWars and DH isnt the only place with the review.

Stop being one sided and read what others have to say before your goes to the ignorance mode.

new design? i thought it was based on r300 core? Isnt R600 ATI's NEW core? and the features arent something thats needs a jaw drop. they have been here since 2004.

Also i think NV probably learned few things from this .90nm move. Realize that their low end cards are being made @ 90nm

ReDGuiTaR

So you think they use the same design as r300 chip !!?? did you read the review at all ??? ALL the pipelines on r520 are programmable and can compute many differents instructions instead of being attached to one specific instruction .. that's why even with 16 pipelines the r520 can compete with nvidia card wich have 20-24 pipelines . So, yes, the pipelines architecture has been redesign and we re not talking about the new memory controller wich is at least innovative ( 512 bits at first level )....that s why i think NVidia will have a lot of work to do in the next generation card if they want to be competitive .

Lakevren