mobility radeon 7000 and 9000 performance??

Geminiwave · Jul 13, 2005, 01:40 PM

Alright so I'm getting a laptop off my grandpa that he bought recently for a discustingly good deal. He discovered that he hates laptops...period. So he said to me "Ben I want to sell it to you. lets negotiate a price later when I'm sober."

anyway I'm not entirely sure which laptop he has. Its either a Toshiba Satalite A65 or A70. I'm crossing my fingers for it being an A70, but hey A65 is no slouch.

Anyway one has a mobility radeon 7000 and one has a mobility radeon 9000. I'm under the impression that the 9000 will perform better than a geforce 440 GO, so that gives me a very good idea of what kind of gaming I'll be looking at out of this sucker.

However, I have NO IDEA what a 7000 will do. Doing a few google searches found nothing.

Can anyone tell me how the mobility radeon 7000 will perform (and what the heck, the 9000 also)?

Thanks guys.

Vikingod · Jul 13, 2005, 04:37 PM

dont know the raw data, but i can play most new games on low resolution with my 9000. Guild Wars runs well at high res, Doom 3 is ok, HL2 runs great, BIA... and so on. I would go for it, but not for games, laptops are just great to have.

Geminiwave · Jul 13, 2005, 08:03 PM

oh I'm going for it. I just want to know what to expect.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 15, 2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminiwave

oh I'm going for it. I just want to know what to expect.

Expect similar performance to the desktop parts....

FWIW: A 7000 will run games like HL1 really well.
A 9000 will run games like D3 and HL2 better than a 7000 would, but don't expect desktop equivalent performance.....and watch your battery life

Geminiwave · Jul 16, 2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Expect similar performance to the desktop parts....

FWIW: A 7000 will run games like HL1 really well.
A 9000 will run games like D3 and HL2 better than a 7000 would, but don't expect desktop equivalent performance.....and watch your battery life

thanks Hex.

I was hoping it could play Source if it was a 7000. I think its a 9000 but I just dont know.

I'll find out at the time of purchase when I actually get to inspect it.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 16, 2005, 01:09 AM

Go for somethingl ike a 9000 or 9600 if you can - AFAIK the 9600 seires will do source better, being a DX9 part

Geminiwave · Jul 16, 2005, 12:56 PM

well its not like I have an option. If I had the money and time I'd shop around for a laptop. This is a one time deal getting a laptop from a family member. I just hope its the 9000 and not the 7000.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 17, 2005, 12:22 PM

Well, overclocking is an option...

redsolar · Jul 18, 2005, 02:39 PM

IMHO, mobility 9000 and 7000 preform quite close to each other. You won't be able to do any reasonably fast gaming (read FPS) but other simpler games should be just fine.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 18, 2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by redsolar

IMHO, mobility 9000 and 7000 preform quite close to each other. You won't be able to do any reasonably fast gaming (read FPS) but other simpler games should be just fine.

9000 has pixel shaders, a 7000 doesn't

redsolar · Jul 18, 2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

9000 has pixel shaders, a 7000 doesn't

That would not matter at their speeds, but ok - you win.

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H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 18, 2005, 07:49 PM

Well it might. More work done per clock cycle = more power = need less clockcycles

yoda133113 · Jul 19, 2005, 04:11 AM

the 9000 isn't that bad, with a MR 9000 64 mb (discrete, not integrated) I played HL2, and Doom 3 without any issues, along with Rome:TW, C&C Generals, WoW and many other new games, so he can probably do it with a 9000, with the 7000, he's up a creak

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 19, 2005, 09:05 AM

No with the 7000 it'll still work, but at far lower resolutions

yoda133113 · Jul 20, 2005, 11:49 AM

At what lower resolutions, I was already at 640x480 for Doom 3, and 800x600 for HL:2, you can't drop much lower than that. With R:TW and C&C:G you can drop some, cause those ran better, but the 9000 ran new games, but not even close to the best resolutions or features, I consider them as running just fine, but only in the sense that they ran smoothly. But if nothing else you can run older games on the 7000, at least you can still have great fun with the old classics.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 20, 2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yoda133113

At what lower resolutions, I was already at 640x480 for Doom 3, and 800x600 for HL:2, you can't drop much lower than that. With R:TW and C&C:G you can drop some, cause those ran better, but the 9000 ran new games, but not even close to the best resolutions or features, I consider them as running just fine, but only in the sense that they ran smoothly. But if nothing else you can run older games on the 7000, at least you can still have great fun with the old classics.

Thats also true.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 20, 2005, 12:10 PM

Mobility Radeon 7000
DirectX 7.0
1 vertex pipe, 2 pixel pipes
Pixel shaders??
64bit memory

Mobility Radeon 9000
DirectX 8.1
1 vertex pipe, 4 pixel pipes
Pixel shaders 1.4
128bit memory

I've got a old (7200) 64mb vivo desktop card, 2 pixel pipes, plays command
and conqer gernals, ut2003, etc just fine! Of course not at any AA or higer reses....
It's amazeing sometimes how well those old cards have held up...

But laptops a a bit slower to begain with so it hard to say what are you
pulling in 3dmark 2001se??

yoda133113 · Jul 21, 2005, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Mobility Radeon 9000
DirectX 8.1
1 vertex pipe, 4 pixel pipes
Pixel shaders 1.4
128bit memory

There were also MR 9000s that were only 64 MB

Does it run doom 3 neon (just outta curiosity, thats the most demanding game I know of). And I doubt its so much as held up as much as many games are very much scalable as far as graphics anymore.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 21, 2005, 12:17 PM

MR7000 has no pixel shaders what so ever.

Anything without PS will tap the CPU for that stuff (if it works at all) in current games.

So I guess the more CPU power you have, the better levereged it is with a lower end graphics.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 21, 2005, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoda133113

There were also MR 9000s that were only 64 MB

Does it run doom 3 neon (just outta curiosity, thats the most demanding game I know of). And I doubt its so much as held up as much as many games are very much scalable as far as graphics anymore.

(FYI: I was refering to the bit rate of the memory

not the capasity)

Not sure plays hl2 etc... I doubt doom III plays unless you se the res really low setting .
Hell doom III even plays on vodoo cards and that radeon should be faster faster so it might
But laptops probubly no it a diffrent story with intergrated grahics and laptops. There is some bigg bottle necks and loss of performance.... over a simulary set up desktop pc

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 23, 2005, 12:14 AM

Hl2 will play, just without pixel shaders it'll look more like HL1 with uber physics

Doom III could possibly play if you got some badass optimizing going on like turning off all the services, using the best possible Omega drivers etc..

It should be possible, just again, not like you'd be able to on a desktop PC

Jul 13, 2005, 01:40 PM	#1
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 44	mobility radeon 7000 and 9000 performance?? Alright so I'm getting a laptop off my grandpa that he bought recently for a discustingly good deal. He discovered that he hates laptops...period. So he said to me "Ben I want to sell it to you. lets negotiate a price later when I'm sober." anyway I'm not entirely sure which laptop he has. Its either a Toshiba Satalite A65 or A70. I'm crossing my fingers for it being an A70, but hey A65 is no slouch. Anyway one has a mobility radeon 7000 and one has a mobility radeon 9000. I'm under the impression that the 9000 will perform better than a geforce 440 GO, so that gives me a very good idea of what kind of gaming I'll be looking at out of this sucker. However, I have NO IDEA what a 7000 will do. Doing a few google searches found nothing. Can anyone tell me how the mobility radeon 7000 will perform (and what the heck, the 9000 also)? Thanks guys. __________________

Jul 13, 2005, 04:37 PM	#2
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	dont know the raw data, but i can play most new games on low resolution with my 9000. Guild Wars runs well at high res, Doom 3 is ok, HL2 runs great, BIA... and so on. I would go for it, but not for games, laptops are just great to have. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

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Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 44	oh I'm going for it. I just want to know what to expect. __________________

Jul 16, 2005, 12:56 PM	#7
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 44	well its not like I have an option. If I had the money and time I'd shop around for a laptop. This is a one time deal getting a laptop from a family member. I just hope its the 9000 and not the 7000. __________________

Jul 18, 2005, 02:39 PM	#9
redsolar Off duty Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 1,252 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	IMHO, mobility 9000 and 7000 preform quite close to each other. You won't be able to do any reasonably fast gaming (read FPS) but other simpler games should be just fine. __________________ Real_Men_Do_Not_Use_Space_Bar Main rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.6 GHz (Zerotherm Nirvana NV120) \| 2x2GB Mushkin + 2x2GB Corsair DDR2-800 5-5-5-18 \| Abit IP35 Pro \| XFX 8800GTS 512 800/1100 \| 2x160GB Seagate 7200.9 RAID1 + Hitachi 1TB 32MB \| NEC SATA DVD+RW + Xbox 360 USB HD DVD Drive \| Antec TruePower Quattro 850W PSU \| Antec Nine Hundred Case \| 3x 24" LCD (Dell 2407WFP + 2x StarLogic) \| Logitech Z-5500 \| Vista Business x64 Laptop: Dell Vostro 1500 \| Core 2 Duo T7500 \| 2.5 GB RAM \| nVidia GeForce 8600M GT \| 200GB 7200 RPM \| DVDRW \| 15.4" 1680x1050 LCD \| XP Pro

Jul 16, 2005, 01:09 AM	#6
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	Go for somethingl ike a 9000 or 9600 if you can - AFAIK the 9600 seires will do source better, being a DX9 part

Jul 17, 2005, 12:22 PM	#8
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	Well, overclocking is an option...

Jul 18, 2005, 07:49 PM	#12
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	Well it might. More work done per clock cycle = more power = need less clockcycles

Jul 19, 2005, 04:11 AM	#13
yoda133113 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 311 Rep Power: 0	the 9000 isn't that bad, with a MR 9000 64 mb (discrete, not integrated) I played HL2, and Doom 3 without any issues, along with Rome:TW, C&C Generals, WoW and many other new games, so he can probably do it with a 9000, with the 7000, he's up a creak __________________ [color=Yellow]Guild Wars Character: Corrupted Bubbles[/color] "The muffin isn't picky, Timmy. Nor is it tasty! But it is powerful. All hail the muffin!" Cosmo, Fairly Odd Parents "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan [color=Sienna]Gateway M680X P-M 750 1.86 GHz Alviso Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB 1 GB 400 MHz DDR2 60 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi HD QSI DVD+-RW DL 17" Widescreen [/color]

Jul 19, 2005, 09:05 AM	#14
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	No with the 7000 it'll still work, but at far lower resolutions

Jul 20, 2005, 11:49 AM	#15
yoda133113 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 311 Rep Power: 0	At what lower resolutions, I was already at 640x480 for Doom 3, and 800x600 for HL:2, you can't drop much lower than that. With R:TW and C&C:G you can drop some, cause those ran better, but the 9000 ran new games, but not even close to the best resolutions or features, I consider them as running just fine, but only in the sense that they ran smoothly. But if nothing else you can run older games on the 7000, at least you can still have great fun with the old classics. __________________ [color=Yellow]Guild Wars Character: Corrupted Bubbles[/color] "The muffin isn't picky, Timmy. Nor is it tasty! But it is powerful. All hail the muffin!" Cosmo, Fairly Odd Parents "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan [color=Sienna]Gateway M680X P-M 750 1.86 GHz Alviso Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB 1 GB 400 MHz DDR2 60 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi HD QSI DVD+-RW DL 17" Widescreen [/color]

Jul 20, 2005, 12:10 PM	#17
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Mobility Radeon 7000 DirectX 7.0 1 vertex pipe, 2 pixel pipes Pixel shaders?? 64bit memory Mobility Radeon 9000 DirectX 8.1 1 vertex pipe, 4 pixel pipes Pixel shaders 1.4 128bit memory I've got a old (7200) 64mb vivo desktop card, 2 pixel pipes, plays command and conqer gernals, ut2003, etc just fine! Of course not at any AA or higer reses.... It's amazeing sometimes how well those old cards have held up... But laptops a a bit slower to begain with so it hard to say what are you pulling in 3dmark 2001se?? __________________

Jul 21, 2005, 12:17 PM	#19
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	MR7000 has no pixel shaders what so ever. Anything without PS will tap the CPU for that stuff (if it works at all) in current games. So I guess the more CPU power you have, the better levereged it is with a lower end graphics.

Jul 23, 2005, 12:14 AM	#21
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	Hl2 will play, just without pixel shaders it'll look more like HL1 with uber physics Doom III could possibly play if you got some badass optimizing going on like turning off all the services, using the best possible Omega drivers etc.. It should be possible, just again, not like you'd be able to on a desktop PC