Jake-0

Ive been searching for a couple weeks for this card. Everyones out of stock including ATI. WTF? It seems rediculous to advertise a video card that you cant even get out the door to sell the damned thing. Anyone know the story on this?

Counterfe1t

the chip thats used to build the x800 pt is in short supply so there are very few available

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riles9262

They are simply low in supply, at least the core is.

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pr0digal jenius

just get a normal XT and overclock ti to PE speed

twangman51

As far as I can tell the xt pe is a fantasy. ATI must have had a few 'fast chips' and sold enough to claim they had a product to outstrip the 6800 ultra and now they dont have any!.

What I can't understand is that the pro vivo can be modded to 16 pipes and xt clock/memory speeds and they are still being made (as far as I know) so why didnt ATI use those chips for the xt pe cards even as vivo's and charge more or are the pro vivo chips going to clap out and suffer an early death at those speeds?

I have an xt pe on order but I'm close to throwing in the towel and trying for a straight xt.

If the xt can run at xt pe speeds consistently why dont Ati use the chips for pe's? Surely they have been rejected as pe quality.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

don't forget the memory wich is supplied by 3rd parties is in short supply as well.nvidia is haveing the same kind of truobles with it's high end. There is more then meets the eye going on. Big oems/systembuilders (dell, hp, compaq, sony, etc) get 1st dibs on stock! then the bigest retailers like "best buy" get 1st dibs on the stock that is left. were ther are already more preorders then cards. So supply to the nomal channels is verry verry low....

it's called bussiness! and i'm not going to spend a weak trying to bet it in anyones head whay it's done that way. If they didn't they'd go out of bussiness...

low supply, super ubbber demand, millions and millions or preorders, back orders etc... these are filled first!!! and if they happen to have a card or two left over an employee buys them and sells them on ebay it whats happening. when there is stock some were again somebody picks up[ every card they can. not for thier use but to resale @ a much higer / overpriced price

msrp retail box price for x800xtpe is $499 i've seen them go on ebay for well over $1000! OEM cards are far cheaper useally up to $100 cheaper! and yeat the retailers are still price goudgeing. yet oem's are going for far more then reatil !!! 550-750+!

I hate to burst your bubble there elmo but x800 xt's are poor o/cers , x800 pro's over clock much better...

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FDM80

Yes the OEM cards are cheaper, but don't they always run at slower clock speeds (chip and ram)? I remember back in the day around when the 8500 was new, there were no differences with OEM or retail. Now we have OEM, and LE or SE editions, which also run at slower speeds. Too much to keep track of now.

Geminiwave

OEM doesnt always run at slower speeds. It really depends on your PC distributer

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technonerd

I beleive that Retail is what you called bundle, gets software, games, extra cable and fancy box.

OEM is what you get from manufacture, just get basic driver and simple package or white box. I don't believe that OEM will give you slower speed.

If somebody told me that they just want the case with no software just the drivers. I'll give them an OEM version. If somebody is rich and want everything, I'll give them Retail.

As for me I rather have OEM version because it is cheaper and I don't want crapping bundle, most bundle are junk. When I brought HIS Radeon 9800 pro OEM I got driver and s-video cable and DVI-I connector. I brought somebody a HIS Radeon 9800 pro RETAIL, they got drivers, game(ARX), and 10 DEMO(most of them are shitting :P), Powerdvd, Conversion Cable Mini-Din to RCA and Composite Cable.

Shike

Ahh, but with most OEMS such as ATI you will NOT get the warranty...and to some people that is a very, very bad thing when you consider a $400 card...

The PIT

I'm living in fantasy then. I had to wait a long time but I finally got one.

Yup supply problems are there so perhaps ATI should have delayed the launch somewhat.

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Lith1um

http://www.magnum-pc.com/

xtpe in stock here.

Meadow

Perservere

The XT PE is truely awesome. I’ve had one for one day. After 3 months on backorder I timed out after seeing availability elsewhere (I'm in the UK). During this period I tracked 10 sites and have seen small quantities of stock become available. Most sites just trying to keep up with back orders.



Don’t expect to overclock the XT much. You may get a few more frames if you add an Artic cooler.



The problem appears to be low yield of the GPU. Memory doesn’t appear to be in constraint now.



I'm a bit rusty on this.. but… due to imperfections on the silicon base, manufacturing is not a precise process. Sometimes this exhibits itself as failed transistors or “leakage” as electrons stray from the paths layed down by the lithographic manufacturing process. As the chip size increases so does the failure rate. Some chips (eg. registered memory) build in protection against failure. Most just test, grade or bin.



I would expect that all chips are manufactured to be an XTPE but only the best make it. If one of the four pipelines fails due to an imperfection then this makes the chip a PRO. If two fail it makes it a dud.



If an XT overclocks well then it gets the platinum badge.



Now - for Half Life 2

RTilbury

The XT doesnt overclock well? From all the reviews I have read about the x800xt from ati, visiontek, and saphire, the card overclocks very well. All tests indicate the x800xt can overlock to PE speeds and most of the time above. The review done on this very site shows how well the x800xt overclocks.

Rasta Monsta

Hmm, I was under the impression that shortages of GDDR3 were causing the problem for the PE as well as the 6800U. . .

rasta

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