ATI PCI Express

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 24, 2004, 05:31 PM

Could Ati's pci expess be the final nails in nvida's coffin?

"ATI is supplying true PCI Express cards

ATI’s video processors have a native, or “true” PCI Express interface. They can communicate directly with the PCI Express bus at PCI Express speeds.

Other graphics companies have cards that are compatible with PCI Express, but they are still only AGP cards that are “bridged” by a second chip to be physically compatible with PCI Express slots on the motherboard. This architecture can only work at AGP speeds, and is more vulnerable to failure, performance bottlenecks and incompatibility with software applications."

take a good read here...
http://www.ati.com/products/PCIexpress/index.html

(If rember right reading that ati now has the greater marketshare)

Logla · Feb 24, 2004, 05:40 PM

makes me feel all warm inside because I switched from nV..something or other.

wertret · Feb 24, 2004, 05:41 PM

Nice article, can't wait to see the beneffits coming from this technology, I don't know what's happening with nvidia; first non true (only compatibles) DX9 gpus, now non true(only compatible) PCI express gpus... Luckily for them, their marketing will save the day as always...

TwistedMetal · Feb 24, 2004, 05:50 PM

Yea, ATI is going to own the PCI Express market. But, the real question is. How long is it going to take?

Once PCI Express is on the market, I don't see people running to buy a new motherboard that supports PCI Express and a new ATI PCI Express video card. All of the current motherboards now support AGP 8x, which is really good for gaming. That would be alot of money to fork out just to have a better video card.

ATI probably knows this too, I would think if I was ATI then I wouldn't produce a mass amount of PCI Express video cards at first. Mainly for new systems with PCI Express motherboards. They will probably promote the heck out of PCI Express to try and make people switch over.

But, it all comes down to how much better the performance is compared to AGP 8x. If it's not much at all for games, then I don't see people upgrading, and AGP cards remain top of the gaming market.

We will see how it turns out...

Dyre Straits · Feb 24, 2004, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TwistedMetal
Yea, ATI is going to own the PCI Express market. But, the real question is. How long is it going to take?

Once PCI Express is on the market, I don't see people running to buy a new motherboard that supports PCI Express and a new ATI PCI Express video card. All of the current motherboards now support AGP 8x, which is really good for gaming. That would be alot of money to fork out just to have a better video card.

ATI probably knows this too, I would think if I was ATI then I wouldn't produce a mass amount of PCI Express video cards at first. Mainly for new systems with PCI Express motherboards. They will probably promote the heck out of PCI Express to try and make people switch over.

But, it all comes down to how much better the performance is compared to AGP 8x. If it's not much at all for games, then I don't see people upgrading, and AGP cards remain top of the gaming market.

We will see how it turns out...

I really tend to agree with this. The transition will be rather slow for the first couple of years at least. What it will take to 'push' people to make the change will be when games start coming out that really take advantage of all the new speeds and features. By then, DirectX 10 (or above) will also be out and have features not supported on AGP cards.

Also, once PCI Express systems are available in large quantities off the shelves and the prices come down, there will then be greater demand for it and any other technology available at that time.

All-in-all, I see the transition taking at least 3-4 years.

Judas · Feb 24, 2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TwistedMetal
Yea, ATI is going to own the PCI Express market...

OH REALLY?

.....me sits in my corner with the PVR hat on...

***craig5320*** · Feb 24, 2004, 07:45 PM

Aren't there mobo's pencilled in that have both AGP and PCI-express slots? I think this will be the shoe in, upgrade your mobo and then add in the pci-express card at a later date. This is what I'm hoping to do anyway.

PoopyTheJ · Feb 24, 2004, 08:11 PM

See I thought AGP and PCI Express were incompatible with each other.

**Roadee** · Feb 24, 2004, 08:51 PM

Well I guess all this stuff will be answered in a few months or so, socket 939 will bring alot of this stuff to market. It will be companies like Dell and the like that will make this transition happen. The enthusiasts market is but a small share, though I am sure that several people on her will have them

IF it is tossed into the mainstream, where you can buy it at Wal-Mart, Dell, HP, and Sony......then it will pick up quickly. Only time will tell on what cards come out, how fast they are, will the PCI format increase speed across the entire system......we all have a shit load of questions. And with every week that goes buy, more and more info will be released to the public......usually by mother board manufacturers that mess up, or want to be the first to get recognition.........happens every time

Dyre Straits · Feb 24, 2004, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by craig5320
Aren't there mobo's pencilled in that have both AGP and PCI-express slots? I think this will be the shoe in, upgrade your mobo and then add in the pci-express card at a later date. This is what I'm hoping to do anyway.

From what I read only a couple of weeks ago, a mobo could not have both on the same board. Perhaps there's been a way to do it, but, I think what's happening is the development of a 'bridge/adapter' that makes it possible to use an AGP card in a PCI Express board.

Yeah, I'm confused, too.

Rayder · Feb 25, 2004, 06:49 AM

I also seem to remember ATI saying something to the effect that they will make cards that work in BOTH AGP AND PCI-Express. I'd like to see how that is gonna pan out.

~~HawK~~ · Feb 25, 2004, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
OH REALLY?

.....me sits in my corner with the PVR hat on...

OK errm...got anyone around to feed you in the meanwhile?...

Al_Vampyre · Feb 25, 2004, 07:22 AM

I'm holding off on mobo/vid card upgrade until later this year to see what happens!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 25, 2004, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dyre Straits
I really tend to agree with this. The transition will be rather slow for the first couple of years at least. What it will take to 'push' people to make the change will be when games start coming out that really take advantage of all the new speeds and features. By then, DirectX 10 (or above) will also be out and have features not supported on AGP cards.

Also, once PCI Express systems are available in large quantities off the shelves and the prices come down, there will then be greater demand for it and any other technology available at that time.

All-in-all, I see the transition taking at least 3-4 years.

two years you'll see proubly see 90% of pc users on pci exress

alot of perople will be upgrageing who want something with such a upgrade limitation? not me

Quote:

Originally posted by craig5320
Aren't there mobo's pencilled in that have both AGP and PCI-express slots? I think this will be the shoe in, upgrade your mobo and then add in the pci-express card at a later date. This is what I'm hoping to do anyway.

thats correct and the chipsets will be offerd by via

Quote:

Originally posted by gaborn415
See I thought AGP and PCI Express were incompatible with each other.

the cards

not that you cant have both slots

Quote:

Originally posted by Dyre Straits
From what I read only a couple of weeks ago, a mobo could not have both on the same board. Perhaps there's been a way to do it, but, I think what's happening is the development of a 'bridge/adapter' that makes it possible to use an AGP card in a PCI Express board.

Yeah, I'm confused, too.

see above via responce via is to be offering a board with 16x pci express and 8x agp

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
OH REALLY?

.....me sits in my corner with the PVR hat on...

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read this guys

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Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
Kyle has some pictures of a working reference motherboard from VIA sporting their PT890 chipset. It supports the Pentium 4 processors, PCI Express, & AGP.

"Sources in Taiwan explain to us that the new Alderwood and Grantsdale chipsets from Intel will support AGP and PCI Express also, but the luxury of supporting both will not be allowed. This puts VIA in a very advantageous position of being able to supply motherboards to the enthusiast with a much easier upgrade path to those that do not want to purchase a new videocard."

Head to HardOcp to view the pictures.

peterosesbookie · Feb 25, 2004, 09:00 AM

I would not jump the gun too soon now. You might have an AGP slot with those Pci express slots, BUT does the motherboard also have the X16 Slot for the graphics Card. The motherboards will come equipped with X16 slot and X1, X2, 4X and possiblity of X8 (only speculation but may happen later). I am just going to wait it out for the next couple of years and see what happens. It is going to interesting at this time

later

pete

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 25, 2004, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by peterosesbookie
I would not jump the gun too soon now. You might have an AGP slot with those Pci express slots, BUT does the motherboard also have the X16 Slot for the graphics Card. The motherboards will come equipped with X16 slot and X1, X2, 4X and possiblity of X8 (only speculation but may happen later). I am just going to wait it out for the next couple of years and see what happens. It is going to interesting at this time

later

pete

as i said anove via is offiing soultions with both agp 8x and pci express X16

(and most likey some slower additional like 1x slots for add on cards)

also most current boards don't have the 16x slot as i understand it and they will need an adaptor just to use a pci express video card! so those who jumped the gun and the new boards will get burnt

real soon as as these new boards make it to market time to buy!

FallOutBoyTonto · Feb 25, 2004, 05:28 PM

Now I'm curious. Intel's chipsets supports both AGP and PCIe, but not both at same time (or same board, not too sure). VIA is claiming they can get both AGP and PCIe on the same board, but can they both be used at the same time? Or is it one at a time? Seems like an awful lot of bandwidth needed for both to run at the same time, I'm not sure they can do it.

Only time will tell I guess, too bad I'm impatient!