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it sounds like it will be a nvidia killer card.... go go go ATI !

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russian

Are you sure that it will have 4!!! pixel and 4!!! vertex shaders, if so, where did you get that information.

T2k

And what will feed these guys?

EnDlEsS

The number of Vertex and Pixel Sharder pipelines are just an estimated number, while the other info are copy from an internal road map in ATi~~!

The Parhelia 512 is already have 4 Vertex Shader, and the NV30 is also rumored to have 3 VS, so I think 4 Vertex Shader is understandable..

While the Current Radeon 8500, 4 pipelines and 2 Pixel Shader, if you double up the pipelines base on the R200 tech, you will need 4 pixel pipelines...

Angel

VIA shows R300!
tnx to Anand !

Candyman

I think that the shipping version will look very different. First off...there is no Rage Theatre chip on that card....

I guess we will have to wait and see....

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russian

Maybe it was an RV250

T2k

That was my first reaction too: where is Rage chip? If not exist, why is that TVout?

T2k

If Anand's article was right 22.4GB/s + Hyper Z III = ?

forgiven

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing that is running the transmeta type cpu in my head is the tech that 3dfx was going to release with Nvidia's ability to deliver. Could be a VERY COOL FALL. Hopefully ATI will try to price clobber Nvidia...good for everyone then. 8500's will be around 75 bucks then...lol.

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russian
Maybe it was an RV250
RV250 with 700MHz DDR?

forgiven

I have seen the threads on the rage 3d and for our sake...I hope you are right.

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russian

Sure, why not???

350 core, 350(700) memory. ATi always used synchronous clocks so far.

T2k

I don't think so, 'cause Anand just got back froma tour at ATI... he should have to know how does it looks!

russian

Anandtech was, is and forever will be a great source of BS...

T2k

Sad but true.

Doomtrooper

Hey everyone, people may know of me, heard of me from Rage3D...I will be helping Candyman Mod this forum and I personally think this forum will be the place to be in the coming months.
I like ATI cards very much and have alot of experience with them and AMD setups, I also am presently working on getting ATI to drop in once and a while ...I do know ALOT about the Rv250 and R300 but sorry can't say much.

I can tell you this, ATI designed the R300 to compete with Nv30, not a Geforce 4 and don't be expecting TOO much out of a Rv250, the Rv250 was designed as a entry level value part but should perform very close to current 8500's and sometimes better depending on final clock...you will see the Radeon 7500 being replaced by the Rv250..

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T2k

I think it similar: RV250 IS a budget chip, R300 IS a next-gen chip targeted against NV30 - as we heard from Orton.

ExCibular

Read this post on the guru3d site about r300 performance

This was a post concerning the R300 card shown at Computex

I wonder if the r300 is capable of beating a nv30 in terms of performance ??

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digitalwanderer

If the above link is the same as this story on Warp2Search about the R300 only being 20% faster than the GF4 TI4600, then I'm sorry for the redundancy. They also have posted some alleged R250 photos for your viewing pleasures.

(Sorry for the "fanATIcs" crack, but I got my image to protect if I'm going to be passing along ATI info as an nVidiot now. )

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http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...hreadid=427743

I was speaking with the ATi rep at the T.O. AMD Tech Tour (heh).

He said:
"It will have a 128bit floating point colour system!"

So I commented and said how carmack let it slip that the newer hardware has done a good thing with increasing the colour depth of graphics cards and he finished my sentence by saying;

"he (referring to carmack) said that 64bit colour wasn't enough! Yeah thats why the r300 supports more then needed...if there is such a thing. Basically when we release the R300 the whole industry will take a step back, and realize they are behind...r300 is truly ground breaking: Full DX9 support, which is as big a leap from DX8.1 as DX8.1 was to DX7, precision calculations both on polygon and texture information, and a whole host of other stuff that I can't really comment on."

So much shit...he also said:
"You have no idea. The sample that Doom]I[ ran on was both ALPHA hardware as well as ALPHA drivers....the way the card is now (referring to its alpha stage) it can do 14XXX+ 3Dmarks...we will definately do our best to get it higher. Also realize that we haven't determined the final clock speeds either...the pics you have probably seen on various sites show a PRE PRE engineering sample....
Basically we WILL have a show stopper. The R300 will revolutionize the way we see graphics. In fact nothing will even be able to compete with us until Februray or March of 2k3 (I think he was talking about nVidias 6month cycle)."

He said it will be out late Q3...or late fall...

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digitalwanderer

Now that's some fresh news that gets my mojo working!

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T2k

Yes I've heard/read it today... seems too nice to be true!

BTW, I rather believe 64bit internal precision than 128... that's sounds a little bit kooky...

T2k

Doomtrooper, what do you think about 130/150nm polemia?

Is there no chance for 130 nano? Seems to me...

UberLord

Matrox lost at least 30Mhz on their predicted clock speed -> consumer product
Hope ATI don't do the same!

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Doomtrooper

There is a chance for sure, for the R300 debut...hard to say but I wouldn't bet money on it.

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T2k

How do you mean? I'm confused...

It's about core complexity not consumer/pro, etc... At 150nm with 80M transistor you CAN'T run on 300MHz - unless you wanna play in the freezer. (As we know very well, they had to scale down the core 'cause of abnormal power consumption and very high heat dissipation - same thing is comming on ATI's side... ) That's it.
Yes, you're right about 30 - this was assumed. And it's the final: Retail is 250. There was romuor about 275 but they never confirmed.
The cheaper version is simple business: you don't have throw out all the rest couldn't run on 250 - I estimate min. 80% of the rest is runnnig fine on a little bit lowered speed.

I think ATI will do the same way: we will see R300LE versions...
But it has no affect on R300 Retail - what's the problem with it, anyway?

Doomtrooper

Saw over at Rage3D PreservedSwine posted some more R300 pictures...

http://iconoclast.netfirms.com/Img0116.JPG
http://iconoclast.netfirms.com/Img0118.JPG
http://iconoclast.netfirms.com/Img0119.JPG

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Doomtrooper

Mufu has posted the other...look at the traces

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T2k

Experience the world without limits - what the heck does it means?

And how much is the "soon"?