[Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze

Kabi · Sep 3, 2008, 09:54 PM

Well hello first
I just joined this forum searching for help with a problem t-t
maybe someone will be able to give me a hand ><

the problem is this:
My computer randomly freezes
Im playing something and the screen stays like a photo no sound no nothing i have to hard restart the computer
But why im posting here?
well it doesnt happen when im using something that uses tons of ram or cpu
only when im using a looot of Graphics it end freezing
the video card is a Sapphire x1950 gt pro
the cpu is a 3200+ amd
2gb ram
motherboard Asus K8V-X-ES
well the problem is simply that when im trying to use something that use graphics it freezes
the time changes sometimes it takes 10 minutes
sometime 1 or 2 a few times it endures a longer time like 1 hour but it ended freezing =/
i tryied monitoring with ati tool artifact detect
30 secs freeze the first time the 2nd froze at 5 mins but the temperature didnt get really high the highest i saw it was arround 60º
tryied making the fan go faster even at 100% but still ended freezing without change
-----
what i already tryied:
Clean windows it worked better than before but it still freeze maybe it takes a bit longer

tryied changing the electricity wires from the inside from the power source to the video card

tryied downloading lastest drivers and tryied using the cd ones its the same

i dont see the problem o.o it doesnt seem it over heat and it started a few months ago like 2 or max 3
in january or febraury for example it worked without a problem

Im asking for halp! i dont know what else to try o.o

sammorris · Sep 7, 2008, 10:52 AM

Sounds like a GPU core crash, so your graphics card might be unstable. It could potentially be a faulty card, or overheating power regulators. It could also be a waning power supply giving the card unstable power.

Kabi · Sep 14, 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammorris

Sounds like a GPU core crash, so your graphics card might be unstable. It could potentially be a faulty card, or overheating power regulators. It could also be a waning power supply giving the card unstable power.

so the first thing i should try is changing the power supply?

**kris23** · Sep 14, 2008, 10:07 PM

give us your system specs to better help you

Kabi · Sep 17, 2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris23

give us your system specs to better help you

cpuz and gpuz data is ok?

GPUZ images:

http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=81993761yb6.gif

http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?i...8938353dq4.gif

Well here it is CPUZ data:

RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

Kabi · Oct 6, 2008, 04:30 PM

bump please

Cow_160483 · Oct 7, 2008, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammorris

..It could also be a waning power supply giving the card unstable power.

I once had something similar happen to my X1600 Pro And it was my power supply that was at fault so i would start there check the power requirements of the card and if the power supply is delivering the required power to the card! then once you have ruled out the power supply as the cause then move on to the other things that could be causing it like the card itself or the Motherboard, check out the power supply first thats all am saying and good luck i know how frustrating it can be when a rig freezes.

Dyre Straits · Oct 8, 2008, 03:39 AM

This is your motherboard, correct?

ASUSTeK Computer Inc.

If so, there is a long history of problems between the VIA chipset and ATI AGP video cards. The problem is legendary. It's not the fault of the PSU but, rather, the fault of the VIA chipset.

As much as I hate to keep saying it, there's a definite compatibility problem between ATI video cards and the VIA chipset. AND, to be blunt, the main problem lies with VIA's AGP motherboard driver. There have been innumerable posts over the years about this issue.

Many people have found success by doing one or the other...or a combination of either...of the following:

1. Turn off Fastwrites in the BIOS settings;
2. Lower AGP from 8x to 4x;
3. Use the Microsoft AGP drivers rather than the VIA AGP drivers;
4. Boost voltage to the AGP bus by one notch in the BIOS;
5. Lower Hardware Acceleration by one notch.

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EDIT: Forum Topic No Longer Exists on VIA Arena Forum

My own personal solution -- after too many problems with VIA chipset motherboards: Don't buy anymore motherboards using VIA chipsets.

Finally, check out this response from another user here.....

To all who have one Ati + Via chipset.....

infocus · Oct 11, 2008, 06:55 PM

I had the same problem happen playing 'FEAR'.And it was due to overheating and,open your computer case,lower your resolution.
This happens during intense game play.........

Kabi · Oct 21, 2008, 05:21 PM

Thanks

Now after reading all this i have been trying a few things...

It's pretty weird... the problem started after a long time of using the videocard...

It may be a compatibility problem but also i have been thinking about the power source i mean
my power source is
Topower
model
TOP-420P4 ATX12V Power Supplies

It seems it's not enough this one im thinking of buying this one:
(remember i dont have much money to spend in it)
Cooler Master - Ultimate provider of Computer Chassis | Cooler | Power Supply

IF you dont think its enough i can get one a little better

Also it doesnt seem a temperature problem... i cleaned and opened the PC to let it refresh...

Now im trying all the compatibility stuff...

But please i would like a little more help about that
what exactly i have to do?
how i do that?
and so...

thanks

Dyre Straits · Oct 22, 2008, 01:27 AM

I really think it's more of a problem with the VIA chipset itself and its tendency to cause problems with AGP video cards. This DOES affect both ATI and nVidia, but it seems that ATI gets the worst of it.

Have you tried any of the suggestions in my previous post? Or, is that what you're asking about when you refer to 'compatibility stuff'?

AND, just to assure you that I'm not talking through my hat, the most recent issue of PC Format Magazine that I have makes mention of this very issue between VIA and AGP. It really is a very well-known problem and a humdinger to work it out when it's persistent.

Kabi · Oct 22, 2008, 11:40 PM

Yes thanks i get it
the problem is that i tryied to low it to 4x and deactive fast writing and it was the same or even worse
im going to buy a new power source (i mean i have 420W) 2 harddisk 1 dvd reader and the video card
and the video card itself says that its recommend to have it with 450W or greater

Dyre Straits · Oct 23, 2008, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabi

Yes thanks i get it
the problem is that i tryied to low it to 4x and deactive fast writing and it was the same or even worse
im going to buy a new power source (i mean i have 420W) 2 harddisk 1 dvd reader and the video card
and the video card itself says that its recommend to have it with 450W or greater

More important than the "W" rating of your PSU you get is that you want to read the side label and get one that has a high "A" Rating on the +12V rail. The higher that number the better. If you can afford one that has at least 25A or better, it should work. I cannot say enough to impress on the importance of this very aspect of the PSU.

Kabi · Oct 29, 2008, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

More important than the "W" rating of your PSU you get is that you want to read the side label and get one that has a high "A" Rating on the +12V rail. The higher that number the better. If you can afford one that has at least 25A or better, it should work. I cannot say enough to impress on the importance of this very aspect of the PSU.

Ok thanks still
what is your advice?
I tryied a few things about compatibility (i cant find the driver you said)
and they didnt worked

This power source seems to be not good enough and getting worse with the time
still im not complety sure if this will work
can you read the desc of both power source i listed up there and say if its worth changing it?

Changing the motherboard? if that so wich brand should i get or what should i pay attention to?

or maybe the video card got damaged?

maybe if you dont mind giving a "adress" for any chat program so it be easier for you to help me ^^

Kabi · Nov 5, 2008, 06:29 AM

Fix'd

it was the power source =D

Sep 3, 2008, 09:54 PM	#1
Kabi DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	[Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze Well hello first I just joined this forum searching for help with a problem t-t maybe someone will be able to give me a hand >< the problem is this: My computer randomly freezes Im playing something and the screen stays like a photo no sound no nothing i have to hard restart the computer But why im posting here? well it doesnt happen when im using something that uses tons of ram or cpu only when im using a looot of Graphics it end freezing the video card is a Sapphire x1950 gt pro the cpu is a 3200+ amd 2gb ram motherboard Asus K8V-X-ES well the problem is simply that when im trying to use something that use graphics it freezes the time changes sometimes it takes 10 minutes sometime 1 or 2 a few times it endures a longer time like 1 hour but it ended freezing =/ i tryied monitoring with ati tool artifact detect 30 secs freeze the first time the 2nd froze at 5 mins but the temperature didnt get really high the highest i saw it was arround 60º tryied making the fan go faster even at 100% but still ended freezing without change ----- what i already tryied: Clean windows it worked better than before but it still freeze maybe it takes a bit longer tryied changing the electricity wires from the inside from the power source to the video card tryied downloading lastest drivers and tryied using the cd ones its the same i dont see the problem o.o it doesnt seem it over heat and it started a few months ago like 2 or max 3 in january or febraury for example it worked without a problem Im asking for halp! i dont know what else to try o.o

Sep 7, 2008, 10:52 AM	#2
sammorris DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brentwood or York, UK Posts: 171 Rep Power: 8 System Specs	Sounds like a GPU core crash, so your graphics card might be unstable. It could potentially be a faulty card, or overheating power regulators. It could also be a waning power supply giving the card unstable power. __________________ Other stuff not in my Specs list: Logitech Z-5500 speakers, Razer Diamondback Magma mouse, Saitek Eclipse II keyboard, LG 20x DVDRW S-ATA. The other 8 HDDs: WD360GD Raptor, WD5000AAKS, WD2500AAJS, WD2500JD x2, HD400LJ, 7200.9 250GB (all S-ATA) + WD1600 IDE (IB-351 USB) plus more fans & fan controllers than you can shake a stick at...

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Oct 6, 2008, 04:30 PM	#6
Kabi DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: [Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze bump please

Oct 11, 2008, 06:55 PM	#9
infocus DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: [Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze I had the same problem happen playing 'FEAR'.And it was due to overheating and,open your computer case,lower your resolution. This happens during intense game play.........

Oct 21, 2008, 05:21 PM	#10
Kabi DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: [Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze Thanks Now after reading all this i have been trying a few things... It's pretty weird... the problem started after a long time of using the videocard... It may be a compatibility problem but also i have been thinking about the power source i mean my power source is Topower model TOP-420P4 ATX12V Power Supplies It seems it's not enough this one im thinking of buying this one: (remember i dont have much money to spend in it) Cooler Master - Ultimate provider of Computer Chassis \| Cooler \| Power Supply IF you dont think its enough i can get one a little better Also it doesnt seem a temperature problem... i cleaned and opened the PC to let it refresh... Now im trying all the compatibility stuff... But please i would like a little more help about that what exactly i have to do? how i do that? and so... thanks

Oct 22, 2008, 11:40 PM	#12
Kabi DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: [Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze Yes thanks i get it the problem is that i tryied to low it to 4x and deactive fast writing and it was the same or even worse im going to buy a new power source (i mean i have 420W) 2 harddisk 1 dvd reader and the video card and the video card itself says that its recommend to have it with 450W or greater

Nov 5, 2008, 06:29 AM	#15
Kabi DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: [Help] 1950 sapphire pro freeze Fix'd it was the power source =D

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