Whats best No Fan video card?

Robert McClelland · Oct 22, 2006, 10:58 PM

My Grandpa has P4 3.2 HT HP Media center computer and it game with ATI 9200 with no Fan because he has 230watt power supply. We just found our we can't upgrade his computer power supply because of size of it. Well I like to know what best and cheapest for him for his computer? That way we can get right video card for his computer so he can play few games for it. thanks for any help

Guyver2K5 · Oct 22, 2006, 11:21 PM

How bout a 9600?
i had one with a 250w psu

ran games pretty well.

Tipstaff · Oct 22, 2006, 11:42 PM

PCIE or AGP?

You could try Sapphire's X1300 (standard version), or one of Asus' "Silent" series of cards such as the EAX1650PRO, or one of their nVidia based cards such as the EN7600GS, EN7600GT, EN7800GT, or one of the older N6600 series.

Robert McClelland · Oct 22, 2006, 11:57 PM

Agp

Tipstaff · Oct 23, 2006, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

Agp

Going to be kinda hard to find one in AGP. Most that are decent are usually PCIE. Your best bet would be to find a card in AGP that is sold as a passive version in PCIE, and replace the heatsink/fan with a passive cooler. At least that way you know it can be run as a passive card.

Now, depending on the type of passive cooler you get (how large it is) would determine how high up the chain of cards you should go. With a larger cooler I'd think along the lines of a 7600GS or X1600/X1650, and I'd also include some of the older cards like an X800XL. With a smaller cooler I'd go with a 6600 or an X1300, and with an older card, maybe a 9xxx series card.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 23, 2006, 04:13 AM

a vanilla 6600 would do the job quite well

. it would perform somewhere between a radeon 9500pro and a radeon 9700pro. the 6600GT is in the 9800xt range, but it requires power.

niceguyrichy · Oct 23, 2006, 09:45 AM

I used to see 6600's with a great big passive heatsink all over the place in AGP, struggling to find one now, but that would probably be the fastest you could find these days I would guess.

edit: hows about this ? psu should cope with it easily

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 23, 2006, 10:11 AM

I don't know how well a 230W PSU would cope with a 6600, those things are hot little buggers.

What you could do is pick up a card that the machine can handle then just slap on a Zalman fanless cooler (I've heard bad things about ThermalTake's Schooner but only good things of the Zalman cooler), that way you get the card you want with the cooling you want

niceguyrichy · Oct 23, 2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

I don't know how well a 230W PSU would cope with a 6600, those things are hot little buggers.

What you could do is pick up a card that the machine can handle then just slap on a Zalman fanless cooler (I've heard bad things about ThermalTake's Schooner but only good things of the Zalman cooler), that way you get the card you want with the cooling you want

yeah, afraid I was guilty of not reading op properly

that's why the link I put in was to a 6200, which that psu should be able to deal with

Robert McClelland · Oct 23, 2006, 01:34 PM

Thats not point guys I need video card has no fan which takes no power lol thats all

F1N3ST · Oct 23, 2006, 03:07 PM

If you have a 5.25" bay free, you can get a dedicated graphics card power supply for 50 USD!

petertr2000 · Oct 23, 2006, 07:10 PM

I cant think of any reason why you can't buy a better PSU.

They come in all shapes and sizes you know....

Robert McClelland · Oct 23, 2006, 10:48 PM

It's for my grandpa computer he has HP P4 3.2 HT system with xp pro with media center power supply is very small and it's very tight case. Guy I talked to at computer shop said there no way upgrade the psu because of it's size. Thats why I'm asking which better for NO FAN video card that way at least he can run qauke 4 or something good enough so he can try it out.

Tipstaff · Oct 24, 2006, 12:34 AM

Truthfully, what you are looking for is a card that draws low power, not necessarily a no fan video card. Usually the fans can draw anywhere from 5 to 18 watts (a good indication of how much power a fan is drawing is the rpm they are rated for.. faster can = more power), and, of course, nil consumption with no fan.

For instance, a passively cooled Geforce 6600 (plain vanilla one) draws about 12watts in idle, 28watts at full load (at full load that's 1/2 of what the 6600 GT draws, more so due to the fan used on those cards). As for heat, usually the passive coolers they use for them will dissapate about 28watts of heat. As long as you have good airflow in the case it should be fine. If not, then you will need to go a little lower consuming card, or you increase this dissapation rate by increasing the size of the passive cooler, or going with other alloys, such as copper, or heatpipe combinations.

BTW, a 7600GS is pretty much on par wattage wise with the 6600, while the 7300 draws almost next to nothing (6watts at idle, 16watts at load). For comparison, an X1300 Pro draws slightly more than the 6600/7600GS.

In any case, give THIS page a once over. It gives a good read on the wattage consumption of the newer cards (Edit: well, the X800 up, and the 6600 up that is).

CDsDontBurn · Oct 24, 2006, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

It's for my grandpa computer he has HP P4 3.2 HT system with xp pro with media center power supply is very small and it's very tight case. Guy I talked to at computer shop said there no way upgrade the psu because of it's size. Thats why I'm asking which better for NO FAN video card that way at least he can run qauke 4 or something good enough so he can try it out.

just because it doesn't have a fan doesn't mean that it doesn't draw too much power. it can still pull enough power to give the sytem a good run for it's money.

and F1N3ST is right you know, there are available on NewEgg for $49.99

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H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 24, 2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

just because it doesn't have a fan doesn't mean that it doesn't draw too much power. it can still pull enough power to give the sytem a good run for it's money.

Especially on a 230W PSU

I.e. some 7600GT's run fanless and would probably blow that PSU out.

Robert McClelland · Oct 24, 2006, 10:51 PM

This size that my grandpa has on his computer http://www.affordablesurplus.com/hp-...wer-supply.asp even though 200watts but really 230watts. 5.9W x 3.4H x 3.9D Inches
150W x 86H x 100D Millimeter
So if anyone can find that psu wiith in week this week please let me know right way

thanks

Tipstaff · Oct 25, 2006, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

This size that my grandpa has on his computer http://www.affordablesurplus.com/hp-...wer-supply.asp even though 200watts but really 230watts. 5.9W x 3.4H x 3.9D Inches
150W x 86H x 100D Millimeter
So if anyone can find that psu wiith in week this week please let me know right way

thanks

You might be stuck, Robert. Most mini PSUs of that type don't usually go very high in the wattage department. They usually run from 150 watts to 250 watts. Essentially what you are looking for is a MicroATX Power Supply. StarTech, in particular, has a 255 watt MicroATX PSU.. but it ain't cheap. If you look around you may find someone that has a higher one.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 25, 2006, 01:19 AM

hey, NewEgg has a variety of mATX PSUs w/wattage as high as 350w (on back order, 300w forton/sparkle readily available)

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Tipstaff · Oct 25, 2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

hey, NewEgg has a variety of mATX PSUs w/wattage as high as 350w (on back order, 300w forton/sparkle readily available)

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Nice find, CDs. Although, all the above 300 mATX PSUs seem a bit.. deep when compared to the ones that are 200 watts or below, such as THIS one. That might be a bit of a concern. Although, that Coolmax one might do it (even though 2 outta 3 reviewers gave it a bad rating).

Oct 22, 2006, 10:58 PM	#1
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	Whats best No Fan video card? My Grandpa has P4 3.2 HT HP Media center computer and it game with ATI 9200 with no Fan because he has 230watt power supply. We just found our we can't upgrade his computer power supply because of size of it. Well I like to know what best and cheapest for him for his computer? That way we can get right video card for his computer so he can play few games for it. thanks for any help __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Oct 22, 2006, 11:21 PM	#2
Guyver2K5 Don't make me hungry. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Weyburn, Saskatchewan Posts: 4,320 Rep Power: 42	How bout a 9600? i had one with a 250w psu ran games pretty well. __________________ *BlackberryPin-*31E36989

Oct 22, 2006, 11:42 PM	#3
Tipstaff DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Toronto Posts: 5,529 Rep Power: 94 System Specs	PCIE or AGP? You could try Sapphire's X1300 (standard version), or one of Asus' "Silent" series of cards such as the EAX1650PRO, or one of their nVidia based cards such as the EN7600GS, EN7600GT, EN7800GT, or one of the older N6600 series. __________________ >><<

Oct 22, 2006, 11:57 PM	#4
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	Agp __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Oct 23, 2006, 04:13 AM	#6
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 21,849 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	a vanilla 6600 would do the job quite well . it would perform somewhere between a radeon 9500pro and a radeon 9700pro. the 6600GT is in the 9800xt range, but it requires power. __________________ CD's Corner // Her first day // A year later // RX-8 Club 3Dmark06 - 4176 // 3Dmark05 - 7459 // 3Dmark03 - 14289 // PCmark05 - 4453 // PCmark04 - 6297

Oct 23, 2006, 09:45 AM	#7
niceguyrichy never enough coffee .. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: eu Posts: 4,687 Rep Power: 86	I used to see 6600's with a great big passive heatsink all over the place in AGP, struggling to find one now, but that would probably be the fastest you could find these days I would guess. edit: hows about this ? psu should cope with it easily __________________

Oct 23, 2006, 10:11 AM	#8
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	I don't know how well a 230W PSU would cope with a 6600, those things are hot little buggers. What you could do is pick up a card that the machine can handle then just slap on a Zalman fanless cooler (I've heard bad things about ThermalTake's Schooner but only good things of the Zalman cooler), that way you get the card you want with the cooling you want

Oct 23, 2006, 01:34 PM	#10
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	Thats not point guys I need video card has no fan which takes no power lol thats all __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Oct 23, 2006, 03:07 PM	#11
F1N3ST DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 123 Rep Power: 0	If you have a 5.25" bay free, you can get a dedicated graphics card power supply for 50 USD!

Oct 23, 2006, 07:10 PM	#12
petertr2000 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	I cant think of any reason why you can't buy a better PSU. They come in all shapes and sizes you know....

Oct 23, 2006, 10:48 PM	#13
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	It's for my grandpa computer he has HP P4 3.2 HT system with xp pro with media center power supply is very small and it's very tight case. Guy I talked to at computer shop said there no way upgrade the psu because of it's size. Thats why I'm asking which better for NO FAN video card that way at least he can run qauke 4 or something good enough so he can try it out. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Oct 24, 2006, 12:34 AM	#14
Tipstaff DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Toronto Posts: 5,529 Rep Power: 94 System Specs	Truthfully, what you are looking for is a card that draws low power, not necessarily a no fan video card. Usually the fans can draw anywhere from 5 to 18 watts (a good indication of how much power a fan is drawing is the rpm they are rated for.. faster can = more power), and, of course, nil consumption with no fan. For instance, a passively cooled Geforce 6600 (plain vanilla one) draws about 12watts in idle, 28watts at full load (at full load that's 1/2 of what the 6600 GT draws, more so due to the fan used on those cards). As for heat, usually the passive coolers they use for them will dissapate about 28watts of heat. As long as you have good airflow in the case it should be fine. If not, then you will need to go a little lower consuming card, or you increase this dissapation rate by increasing the size of the passive cooler, or going with other alloys, such as copper, or heatpipe combinations. BTW, a 7600GS is pretty much on par wattage wise with the 6600, while the 7300 draws almost next to nothing (6watts at idle, 16watts at load). For comparison, an X1300 Pro draws slightly more than the 6600/7600GS. In any case, give THIS page a once over. It gives a good read on the wattage consumption of the newer cards (Edit: well, the X800 up, and the 6600 up that is). __________________ >><< Last edited by Tipstaff; Oct 24, 2006 at 01:25 AM.

Oct 24, 2006, 10:51 PM	#17
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,344 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	This size that my grandpa has on his computer http://www.affordablesurplus.com/hp-...wer-supply.asp even though 200watts but really 230watts. 5.9W x 3.4H x 3.9D Inches 150W x 86H x 100D Millimeter So if anyone can find that psu wiith in week this week please let me know right way thanks __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Oct 25, 2006, 01:19 AM	#19
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 21,849 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	hey, NewEgg has a variety of mATX PSUs w/wattage as high as 350w (on back order, 300w forton/sparkle readily available) . __________________ CD's Corner // Her first day // A year later // RX-8 Club 3Dmark06 - 4176 // 3Dmark05 - 7459 // 3Dmark03 - 14289 // PCmark05 - 4453 // PCmark04 - 6297