X800XT headake.

sumo123 · Jul 13, 2006, 07:30 AM

Hey hey, great forum you got here. Have been looking around for some time, and i just can´t find a good solution to my problem. Well, we all know Ati-tools, and some say its not a very good tool.

But listen to this. If i select the show 3d render option, at standard clocks, my X800XT moves up to about 90 degrees celsius and crashes.

And man, thats way to much. It also resets pretty often in games, and locks up. Even without trying to overclock it i get artifacts in a lot of games. What can the problem be. I will try to get a now cooler, but i am out of cash right now. And, the most i have got in 3dmarks 2003 is about 8,000. Thats way to low for my specs...

I run the lates Omega Drivers, and now, no Ati tools. What is really worring me is the extremly low results i get in games, and 3d marks.

And as i final. What cooler should i get for the card when the day comes to buy it? Cooling is important, it can sound as a V8 if it wants, just as long as it cools like hell.

Specs: Pentium 4 @ 3,400Mhz
1,500MB ram @ 400mhz - some standard shiet.
Ati Radeon X800XT 256MB @ standard clocks.

What can i do to improve performance, any tips will be greatly appriticated.

Thx
/Hertzman

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 13, 2006, 02:43 PM

I use the Zalman Vf700Cu for my X800XT and it works wonderfully.... but doesn't sound like a V8. (The rest of my computer does)

You could try replacing the thermal paste between the stock cooler and GPU, that might give you some life out of it.

Just off topic... not all V8s are loud. I've heard some V4s that are louder than V8s when they get up to high RPM's (which they often have to, to match the acceleration of a V8 engine

). Probably a better analogy would be "I don't care if the cooler sounds like a dump truck driving through a nitroglycerin plant", which is what my PC sounds like starting up in my quiet mornings

sumo123 · Jul 13, 2006, 02:55 PM

Well, i already bought som thermal paste for my cpu-cooler at claes ohlsson (a swedish allaroundstore with everthing from concrete mix to hairstylingtools), and it helped for my cpu-cooler but did nothing for the GPU.

Another funny thing is that now Ati tools does not recognize my hardware, so i can´t use that tool at all.

I will try replacing the cooling and see what that does.

Well, i got 12,000 in 3dmarks 03 the other results was from 3dmarks 05.

But i want to get more, and i guess new cooling is the wat to go.

Thx for the tip.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 13, 2006, 02:58 PM

12000 is a good 3DMark '03 score... that's about what I'm benching these days.

So you're looking OK so far

sumo123 · Jul 13, 2006, 03:02 PM

Well, what do you think of [color=black]Arctic Cooling ATi Silencer 4 Rev.2, VGA Cooler, ATI X800 & FireGL X3/V5100/V7100[/color]

The one you gave the tip about is just a fan, this is like the whole kit...

Or? Is the zalman cooler difficult to mount on the card?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 13, 2006, 03:03 PM

No the one I showed you is indeed a full GPU cooler. It has everything.

The Arctic Silencer would be harder to mount IMO.

The Zalman, my 14 year old sister could mount it with ease and she's never touched the innards of a PC

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 13, 2006, 03:04 PM

Sorry here's a link

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=306460

sumo123 · Jul 13, 2006, 03:07 PM

Yo mean this one, link to a swedish site. It looks like just a fan...

Zalman VGA Cooler VF700-AlCu LED, koppar och aluminium kylare med lampa

Thanx for the quick replys...

sumo123 · Jul 13, 2006, 03:12 PM

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=312466

Is this one equal? I mean more expensive often means better...

Its a lot that says v700

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 14, 2006, 11:02 AM

Its not just a fan, that flower is the heatsink

That one will be within 5 degrees C of the otehr cooler, that one just has some aluminum while the other is all copper, and heavier

Semilio666 · Jul 14, 2006, 11:56 AM

hello

what power supply are u using?
its very important to have a decent PSU to feed the card or it will overheat very easy.

greets

Neshi · Jul 14, 2006, 01:38 PM

both vf700, the Cu and the AlCu are both full packages, with ram sinks, screws thermal paste, heatsink and fan. both are a very good cooler indeed.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 14, 2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semilio666

hello

what power supply are u using?
its very important to have a decent PSU to feed the card or it will overheat very easy.

greets

Sorry but that simply isn't true.... power supply has nothing to do with the temperature of the card

kn00tcn · Jul 15, 2006, 03:09 AM

haha, i have a very UNdecent psu & dust was causing my 95degree temps http://kn00tcn.freepgs.com/00-temp-0...es90+temps.JPG not the psu, weak psu would cause less performance & possibly less heat hehe

as for the vf700, it r0x..... but make sure it's -Cu! not AlCu! for best results

Semilio666 · Jul 18, 2006, 01:28 AM

euhm... actually it is possible a chip will overheat when it is not provided the required current to get the necesary voltage levels, chips will start struggling to get those voltage levels high enough what will stress the chip and make it overheat easier, trust me it is possible

i also lowered my temps by using a decent power supply, just a few degrees but it lowered while room temps where getting higher (yup, its summer here now, 30+°C)

i know it sounds contradictional but its what ive seen before with different people

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 19, 2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semilio666

euhm... actually it is possible a chip will overheat when it is not provided the required current to get the necesary voltage levels, chips will start struggling to get those voltage levels high enough what will stress the chip and make it overheat easier, trust me it is possible

i also lowered my temps by using a decent power supply, just a few degrees but it lowered while room temps where getting higher (yup, its summer here now, 30+°C)

i know it sounds contradictional but its what ive seen before with different people

I do not know how it is possible that you've seen that. Raising voltage due to lack of current wouldn't fix anything. Second of all, no chip I've ever seen raises its voltage above stock levels automatically unless you're overclocking it. If chips did that, they'd fry themselves and people would get pissed off.

Its not even possible. If a chip isn't provided with enough amperage it refuses to work properly, it doesn't raise its potential difference and burn itself out in an attempt to work properly.

Semilio666 · Jul 19, 2006, 11:32 AM

im not saying it is raising voltage levels, its trying to get the necesary(normal) voltage levels, when the chip is slightly underpowered it will still function but will disipate more heat then when it is decently powered, power supplies can influence ur temps, in vidcards and cpus, ive noticed it in my pc and ive read posts from other users on other forums who had the same result, i dont know the detailed technical explanation but it seems to happen, i thought it was strange to...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 21, 2006, 01:23 PM

It still doesn't work. The only influence a power supply has on temps is the intake fan or exhaust fan system it uses.

Besides if it doesn't get enough power it will dissipate LESS heat assuming it works at all. That's why lowering voltages on processors like mobile ones reduces their TDP.

All in all it doesn't make sense and the original poster needs some better cooling

Semilio666 · Jul 22, 2006, 01:41 PM

ok have it ur way

but make sure u dont mix up current and voltage, yes lowering voltage reduce heat dissipation, but lowering current is a totaly different

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 22, 2006, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semilio666

ok have it ur way

but make sure u dont mix up current and voltage, yes lowering voltage reduce heat dissipation, but lowering current is a totaly different

I agree but I know of no way to lower current other than puting in an inline resistor...which I doubt the original poster has gone to the trouble of putting in

Semilio666 · Aug 4, 2006, 07:01 PM

or when the power supply can not supply the required current

better cooling never hurts tho