No sound at all in Sonar 4

Sethief

Hi... it's me again. I'm having some trouble in getting ASIO to work in Sonar 4.

I have a P3 800 (512 MB RAM) with a SB Live! (CT4832 10k1) card. I started using WDM/KS to record some MIDI tracks into audio ones, but Sonar records them a little bit delayed; I couldn't figure this out either, so I decided to try ASIO.

The point is, I searched this forum and configured ASIO the way it should be done... but I can't get any sound, and even less when I try to record.

I'm using the default DSP configuration. What should I do?

Thanks in advance!

thomasabarnes

You can see this SONAR and kX Setup Guide: http://thomasabarnes.beplaced.com/sonar_kx_guide.htm

I dont know if the version of SB Live you have is a 5.1 version. If it is, you may encounter an ASIO mapping issue. See the guide for setup help. If you still have problems, post here again?

Sethief

I tried that guide before my first post, but it didn't work. I also tried to copy that DSP configuration, but it was no good, at least for me...

How can I find out about the 5.1 thing? My SB Live has both front and rear connectors in the back... I don't know if that helps.

thomasabarnes

I've never experienced the ASIO mapping issue, but LeMury explains how to check for it in his Cubase SX guide here:http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxtut...kxcubasesx.htm

I guess you will have to be flexible and try to find the correct ASIO mappings using SONAR's mixer instead of Cubase SX's.

By the way, you do have sound using other programs or WMP, dont you?

Try assigning each FX Bus to a SRC and the ASIO ProFX plunin, and each time select that input and out put in a track in SONAR and see what happens. I'm sure more than 1 FX Bus should work.

It seems something's very wrong that you dont get any sound at all in SONAR. Maybe you have a bad installation of Windows.

Anyway, goodluck.

If anybody has any ideas for a solution for his problem, please, jump in here and help?

Sethief

I checked this page before, but I'm not using any VST stuff, so I don't know how to set this up correctly

Sure. WDM sound is working fine, also in Sonar (except for the little delay it inserts when I try to record a MIDI track into an audio one). The problem is with ASIO.

I'll try to figure out how to do this and I'll let you know.

thomasabarnes

Ok more things. Did you select the ASIO driver mode in SONAR: Options/Audio Advanced tab and select ASIO as Driver Mode? On the Drivers tab make sure all the ASIO outputs are highlighted (if not highlighted, highlight all and restart SONAR). then, see if u get output.

Also you do have some audio playing in SONAR. right?

Sethief

Yep, Sonar is configured exactly that way.

I get MIDI sound, and if I insert any wave sound in an audio track, it will play. But I can't record anything in ASIO, that's the big problem.

I'm quite lost with the DSP configuration. If I understood correctly, you're telling me to connect all FXBuses (0,1,2,3...15) to a single Src plugin, and then connect that Src left/right channels to two ASIO spaces in an ASIO plugin? What should the right connections be?

thomasabarnes

What driver version are you using?

OK for mic:

Make sure u have the mic connected to the mic jack (but I'm sure you do), load a SRC plug in, set it to AC97 Mic (but if youre using the new ProFx plug ins, load ADC, and set it to mic. Load another SRC and set it to FX Bus 0/1. Load MX6 and hook the ADC or SRC (set to mic) to a channel on the MX6, and connect the other SRC set to FX Bus 0/1 to a MX6 channel. Make sure all channels on MX6 have a check marks in all boxes, and make sure all sliders are up. Connect the MX6 Main output to the K1lt front speakers.
Connect the MX6 Record outputs to the ProFX ASIO plugin 0/1.

In SONAR, set a track Input to Mic (kX ASIO 0/1) and Output to kX ASIO 0/1, enable the track for recoring in SONAR. You should get a signal on that track.

If this doesnt work, clear the DSP and make it from scratch. If that doesnt work, completely uninstall and reinstall the driver.

Sethief

Well, I just discovered that I can record from the mic with no problems, and using the standard DSP. But I still need to play a MIDI track and record it in an audio track... that's what I'm not able to do...

thomasabarnes

Well, I cant walk you through that with the default DSP, but if you see the Guide I wrote, and read it entirely, you will see how to do that from the Convert MIDI To Audio page.

The guide uses ASIO 4/5 (FX BUS 4/5), if that doesnt work for you, use FX Bus 0/1, 6/7, 8/9, what ever works, but FX Bus 2/3 carries the MIDI signal by default. So in MX6, place a check mark in the R box for the MX6 channel you connected the SRC set to FX Bus 2/3, that will enable you to record MIDI to an audio track if you use MIDI via the kX Synth (a soundfont loaded into kX Synth 2 or 1).

EDIT:

Since youre using the default kX DSP, the guide here may be of assistance to you: http://kb.kxproject.lugosoft.com/guide/setup-sfrec.html

Sethief

Well... connecting FxBus 2/3 in FxBus to ASIO 0/1 in Epilog worked fine for the synths (now I can record anything played by a soundfont). The last thing would be enabling this same recording ability for GigaStudio (I thought enabling MIDI to audio recording would make it for all, but it didn't). I guess I have to know which channels does GigaStudio uses as an output and connect them to some ASIO inputs, is that correct?

thomasabarnes

If you can use Giga as a DXi or VSTi in SONAR, set the DXi/VSTi audio output to an ASIO output you already have setup in the kX DSP, (for example, you already have ASIO 2/3 setup (FX Bus 2/3 carries the MIDI signal and the ASIO 2/3 output). Make sure the ASIO output is connected to the ProFX ASIO Plug in such as pins 2 and 3.

select additional tracks).

2) Solo and select the MIDI track for the DXi/VSTi. (Both must be selected).

3) Go to "Edit/Bounce To Track(s)" on the SONAR toolbar, select What You Hear as a
preset.

4) Press OK, and the MIDI track for the DXi/VSTi should be bounced to an audio track.

Sethief

I'm trying to follow that steps, but I can't access GigaStudio instruments as DXi (I'm using them as standard MIDI banks from the Nemesys MIDI ports). I searched the help files and the web, but apparently I can't install a new DX instrument. I'm using Sonar 4 and GigaStudio 2.54.

Sorry for all the questions... as you can see, I'm quite a newbie at this...

thomasabarnes

I dont use Giga and never have, so I dont know much about it. There is a VST adapter that was released for GigaStudio v2.54 and version 3 in July 2004.There is a trial version available for download here: http://www.fx-max.com/gva/

If you can get the VST adapter, you can use Giga in SONAR like any other VSTi/DXi (so you can follow the steps in post #12 to bounce the VSTi MIDI tracks to audio). If you get the VST adatper, you will most likely have to run the CakeWalk VST adater to configure it for use in SONAR.

Without the VST adapter, I guess GigaStudio is run as a Standalone app. In that case, you will also have to make sure SONAR is set to share the driver with other programs. Go to SONAR's toolbar: Options/Audio, select the Advanced tab, and insure that a check mark is placed next to Share Drivers With Other Programs.

If you cant get the VST adapter for Giga, as you said: "I guess I have to know which channels does GigaStudio uses as an output and connect them to some ASIO inputs, is that correct?"

I believe that is correct. I hope you can use the ASIO driver in the Standalone version of Giga Studio. In Giga, set the audio settings to use something like kX ASIO 0/1, or kX ASIO 2/3 (and connect that ASIO output to the ProFX Plugin in the kX DSP). In SONAR, arm an audio track and set it's input to whichever ASIO output you set Giga to use, and set the track output to any kX ASIO output you have a SRC set to in the kX DSP (FX Bus 2/3 for example).

Let us know how it turns out for you?

Sethief

I managed to use GigaStudio as a VSTi with that software you recommended me; thanks for that

Apparently I'm missing the connection I highlighted into bold; I can hear the sound when I bounce the tracks, but after the process there's nothing but silence in the audio track (even though I selected VST as the input and ASIO 2/3 as the output). Which ASIO output are you talking about?

My guess is that this way should be much easier, except for the fact that Giga doesn't use ASIO... it works with the kX GSIF driver. So I guess I'll need to find out which are the GSIF output ports and connect them into the ASIO 2/3 inputs if I want to get sound from there... am I right?

thomasabarnes

Man, you have Giga as a VSTi now. Load a SRC and set it to FX Bus 0/1, then, connect that SRC to pins 0/1 on the ASIO plug in. In SONAR, when you load Giga as a VSTi, make sure the audio track is set to kX ASIO 0/1.

Now follow instructions in Post #12 to bounce the Giga MIDI track to audio. After you bounce to a track, make sure the new audio track's output is set to kX ASIO 0/1.

Sethief

I tried the following configurations:
SRC at FXBus 0/1, wired to ASIO 0/1, VSTi track output in ASIO 00
SRC at FXBus 0/1, wired to ASIO 2/3, VSTi track output in ASIO 02
SRC at FXBus 2/3, wired to ASIO 0/1, VSTi track output in ASIO 00
SRC at FXBus 2/3, wired to ASIO 2/3, VSTi track output in ASIO 02

In every case I tried the recording input in Sonar in ASIO In 00 and ASIO In 02. I can hear the sound while bouncing the track (sometimes accelerated, sometimes at normal speed), but I always get nothing but silence in the audio track.

I think I didn't miss any step, but Sonar still won't record...

thomasabarnes

Silence is an indication of not selecting the VSTi track and the MIDI track (both tracks has to be highlighted (selected), click on 1 track, then, Ctrl click on the other, that will have them both selected. You have to select both and have them both in solo mode.

You need to use the BOUNCE to Track command. Solo the VSTI audio track, solo the MIDI track that you use for the VSTi, select both. Then, use the Bounce to track command.

My Yahoo ID is hotshotfwp, if you get or have Yahoo Messenger, I can try to provide better help by voice.

Sethief

Emm... I feel quite stupid

I was driving me crazy with all the DSP wirings, and suddenly thought about checking GigaStudio configuration, looking for changes after the Giga VST installation. And I found out I was still using the GSIF driver, so GigaStudio wasn't getting into Sonar as a VSTi... that's why I couldn't record Giga samples with the VST instrument... sounds pretty logical right now

I'll try to resume the results of this whole thread here, in case someone else has the same (or similar) problem and finds it useful.

- wire FxBus 2/3 in FxBus to ASIO 0/1 in Epilog;
- load a ProFX ASIO plugin;
- load a ProFX Src plugin and set it to FxBus 0/1;
- wire the Src plugin to ASIO 0/1 and 2/3 in the ASIO plugin (I know I don't need both, but it's working this way and I'm afraid to touch it );
- install Giga VST Adapter;
- configure GigaStudio to use FX-MAX Giga Bridge instead of the GSIF driver;
- set all MIDI Ins in GigaStudio to <none>;
- set Record and Playback Timing Master to Asio 00 in Sonar;
- insert a VST Giga instrument (under DXi Synth menu);
- select to show the options and press the Bounce button in them (don't know exactly why, I saw this in the VST Giga Adapter manual);
- select VST 1 as the output in the MIDI track to be recorded;
- select VST 1 Primary Out as the input in the DXi track;
- select kX ASIO kX Out 00 as the output in the DXi track;
- select both tracks and bounce them.

Of course, you're welcome to add or correct anything you think is wrong or lacks some information. I don't know if this is the best way to do this, but at least is the one which worked for me

Thanks a lot for all the assistance. I really should dedicate my first work with this stuff to you

thomasabarnes

LOL

Glad you have it man.

Bouncing DXi/VSTi is really easy in SONAR. Once you undserstand how to setup and use a DXi/VSTi, and the kX DSP, it's easy to bounce MIDI tracks to audio. Still, I must say that it's easier to work with a custom kX DSP, than with the default.

Read and study LeMury's DSP guide for beginners, and the kX DSP will hopefully become easier to work with: http://driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=55649

Cya around.

thomasabarnes