VSTi hosts and Logic 5.5.1 SIMULTAINIOUSLY

Toadly_Ossum

Hi folks

I use VSTack host (with latest KX on live 5.1) live onstage as part of my keyboard setup. The Logic instruments sound great and i want to add them to my onstage sounds. Has anyone succesfully been able to run both a VST host and Logic (both set to AISO) simulatianiously? Ive tried single and dual sound card setups but still cant seem to get it to work.

Toad

miguel

try asio4all, so you have two asio interfaces, one for vstack, the other for logic. I works with either one card or two

Toadly_Ossum

Thanks for the tip, Ive tested this on a second pc and Ive gotten past the error and can get both VSTack and Logic loaded simultainiously!

However now ive run into some non-asio/kx problem. its more of a Logic/midi port problem.
Im getting a midi feedback loop. this maybe a question for a Logic group but heres my setup and problem.

I run 2 midi controllers > Midisport 2X2 USB > Midi Ox > Midi Yoke > Vstack

This setup works great and I can choose basically any VSTi from either controller by selecting midi channel.

When open Logic regaurdles of wether VSTack is loaded or not I get a Midi Feedback error that I think is associated with Midi Yoke.

Any clue? or should i take it to a Logic or Midi Yoke group?

Thanks
Toad

miguel

If I remember well you have to edit win.ini file in C:\WINNT (or WINDOWS). Theres a Logic section listing midi ports. A 1 makes it active for logic, a 0 (zero) deactivates it. So don't activate the same in/out midi joke pair and you should be set

Toadly_Ossum

Man You Rock Miguel!

Im all giddy at the thought of having this many instruments real time.

If you could answer one more question I will be completely stoked.

Is there a way in Logic to have it ingore certain midi channels?

I have all my VSTi set on particular channels so I can easily pull them up on stage.
In fact I run a desktop type pc with out video/keyboard/mouse, just my PC, midi usb merger and my controllers.

Ideally I need Logic to just listen on midi channels 7-10 or on just on one channel in particular.

Thanks for all your help

KX rules, and Aiso4All is pretty darn cool as well. they work well together.

PS. I did have to reset my DSP before I could hear asio4all on 4/5? why is that? where exactly in the DSP does asio4all 4/5 appear?

Thanks again

Toad

dj_stick

i think in the logic mixer panels… the one that shows up on the side you can choose channels for each midi/audio instrument
change channels from "all" to a number from 1-16

Toadly_Ossum

I was able to send only my prefered channels to logic using midi Ox and Yoke. Nifty gagdets.

Heres a good one:

Ever seen a program that could take incomming midi data and turn it into windows keyboard commands?

Like making a certain midi note "type" a letter or a certain midi CC make windows PageUp/Down?

With a program like this I could choose tracks in Logic via midi commands instead of using the mouse or PC keyboard.

Toad

dj_stick

im not sure such a program exists… but it is possible to program something that allows midi notes and CC's to change a function on a program (i've seen it on native instruments traktor) not sure if logic can do this though… other wise try trackball?

Toadly_Ossum

I found a program to convert incomming midi data to standard QWERTY keyboard commands!

http://www.bome.com Bome's Midi Translator

Im hoping I can use this to change tracks/instruments in logic.

Will let you guys know if it works.

DJ I dont want to use a track ball or a mouse. See im running my PC without Monitor/keyboard/mouse. Just my PC usb to my controllers.

Toad

Toadly_Ossum

I solved my whole setup issue!

I have been discussing this setup on a Yahoo group dedicated to Hammond B3 Clones and I thought this list may be interested in my final post there:


--- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "schel_d_sullivan" <schelsullivan@h...> wrote:
> --- In CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com, "schel_d_sullivan"
> <schelsullivan@h...> wrote:
> > Ureka!
> >
> > Ive succesfully configured my gig PC to run all my VSTi through
> > VSTack AND load Logic and its great EVB3,EVD6,EVP88 instruments!
> >
> > So now I can choose B4 or EVB3 on either lower or upper! Or run B4
> > on upper and EVD6 on lower! or allmost any other option (logic will
> > only play from one track/instrument at a time)
> >
> > Both VSTack and Logic are running aprox 5ms latency and with some
> > creative midi rigging using midi ox, midi yoke and bomes midi
> > translator I should be able to choose any instrument on either
> > controller WITHOUT keyboard/mouse/monitor.
> >
> > Bome allows converting midi data into QWERTY keyboard commands. I
> > will use this to choose different tracks/instruments in Logic!
> >
> > If folks are interested I will give a more detailed description of
> > my setup.
>
> I had 2 problems when it came to gettiing Logic to load while VSTack
> was running.
>
> BTW info on VSTack
> http://www.kvr-vst.com/get/345.html
> http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?
> Product_ID=2130&Langue_ID=2
>
>
> 1st Sound Card buffers:
>
> Let me say 1st that Im running a Sound Blaster live, but NOT using
> the factory drivers; they suck. http://www.kxproject.com has written
> ASIO supported drivers for Lives and Audigies. These drivers RULE!
> (I didnt have to spend $200 plus for a professional type sound card
> to cure my latency problems > KXproject dirvers are screaming fast)
>
> Trouble was I was getting some "can not create ASIO buffer blah blah
> blah" ERROR every time I tried to load any two ASIO hosts (or stand
> alone instruments)
>
> If you have a profesional type sound card that supports ASIO great!
> You may be able to use the same method I did, which follows:
>
> A nifty little program called ASIO4ALL http://michael.tippach.bei.t-
> online.de/asio4all/ is a great program that gives ASIO support on
> many generic type sound cards (if you have a laptop and using onboard
> sound this one may help your latencies).
>
> The guys at KXproject suggested I try to run ASIO4ALL IN CONJUNCTION
> with the KX drivers that had allready served me so well with VSTack.
> Installing ASIO4ALL was a breeze and It gives me another ASIO input.
>
> So I left VSTack setup the way is was with KX/ASIO on ports: KXWave
> 0/1.
>
> In ASIO4ALL setup window I select KXWave on ports 4/5 (2/3 didnt work
> I think KX Drivers reserves these or something) Then under Logics
> preferences "Audio Driver 2" select ASIO and choose the ASIO4ALL.
>
> BINGO! I now have both VSTack with B4, The Grand, Lounge Lizard2 and
> Logic with EVB4, EVD6 and EVP88 loaded.
>
> Keep in mind this is not going to work on a 400MHz PC. Im running a
> P4 3GHz, with 512MB DDR400 (I now need more ram too going to 1gig of
> ram or more soon)I run Win 2000 Pro, thinking going with XP pro
> because it supports Intels Hyper-Threading Tech (sorta like virtual
> dual CPU)
>
> btw it takes my PC 3 minutes 20 seconds to boot
>
>
> 2nd problem, Midi ports:
>
> I use midi ox and midi yoke (for numerous reasons but mainly
> converting vol cc7 to exp cc11).
>
> Seems that midi yoke was causing Logic to freeze with a midi feedback
> loop. This frustrated me to no END! Logic has NO OPTIONS about what
> midi in/out ports to use in ANY of its preference windows.
>
> Again the great folks at KXProjects forum had the answer! Logic
> CREATES AN ENTRY IN THE Windows Win.ini file! and thats where you
> enable and disable midi ports.
>
> So with all Logics midi out ports disabled and only Midi Yoke 2 in
> enabled (Midi Yoke 1 goes to VSTack) I stopped that dread PC freezing
> midi feedback loop!
>
> WHEW! this is getting long>
>
> Then using Midi Ox I can send only the midi channels 1-5 to Midi Yoke
> 1 and on to VSTack. and Channel 6 to Midi Yoke 2 and thus on to Logic!
> This means I can select midi channels on my contollers to sellect
> instuments! midi channel 1-3=B4 ; channel 4=The Grand; channel
> 5=Lounge Lizard; channel 6=Logic.
>
> But then and Logic Users know Logic only plays real time from one
> track at a time, so how do I remotely choose the 3 Logic instruments?
>
> Thats where Bomes Midi Translator comes in.
> ttp://www.bome.com/midi/translator/
> This nifty gadjet can turn incomming midi data to QWERTY keyboard
> commands.
>
> So using my Peavy PC1600x I setup 3 buttons to mimic QWERTY keyboard
> commands: ALT-TAB, DOWN and UP (arrows) Wtih this loaded I can boot
> my PC without a monitor/keyboard/mouse. When every thing is loaded I
> send an ALT-TAB command with one of the 16 programable buttons on my
> PC1600x . This brings logic to the front (its allways behind VSTack
> when I boot) then I have 2 more buttons that send QWERTY UP arrow and
> DOWN arrow commands which choose the track/instrument in Logic! So
> when my controller is set to channel 6, I can choose which Logic
> instruments remotely
>
> WHEW, I think I covered most of it.
>
> Hope it helps some of you software cloners.
>
> Schel Sullivan

miguel

Glad you got it working Toadly_Ossum, a quite complex rig.

dj_stick

one thing toadly… logic CAN play multiple instruments at once, but you have to set this up in the environment.
I like clearing the entire "Audio" page of the environment and loading the "Instrument" module, and then connecting that to the "Audio object" module. Double click the audio object and you will get a channel fader, and from the properties panel at the side you can set this to an audio instrument
Then you can set the midi channel of the "Instrument" module

Note: that is all theoretical, i have never done this using midi keyboards but it *should* work correctly… if not try replacing the "instrument" module with the "midi in" module.
This are found under the "New" menu