Problems with KX, SX 3 And Audigy 2 Platinum.

mrdee

Could someone please help me?
I think I am just missing something smaal and stupid in order to get the system up and running:

In Cubase SX3 I use the KX ASIO driver, the music sounds (MIDI and Audio), but I cannot record Audio.
Also, when I look in "Devices" I see I have no Inputs at all.

Has it something to do with DSP configuration?
Or has anyone got any idea what exactly I am doing wrong?

I use:

Intel Dual processor
1 GB RAM
Win XP Media
Cubase 3 SX
Audigy 2 Platinum sound card.

Any help would be really apprexciated.

Thanks in Advance,

Mr. Dee.

Maddogg6

you need to run the setup apps in the cubase start menu
Configure what ASIO channels will be used for inputs, (you can route external or KX effects here too)
By default cubase only assigns the 'MAIN' buss for output/monitor.
But complex routings are possible - between that and the KX DSP, as you do need to config the DSP to match the cubase setup.
I suggest reading the cubase help or various guides available here - look at the 'sticky' threads at the top of the KX GENERAL forum for links to more help.

Feel free to ask more specific questions - there a few cubase users here - but my knowledge on cubase is more limited.

Max M.

>Also, when I look in "Devices" I see I have no Inputs at all.

set sample rate to 48kHz in kX's ASIO control panel

mrdee

OK everyone.
Thank you for your helpful replies so far.
I now have my inputs, MIDI Files play, but I cannot record yet.
For example, when I play a CD in Media Player and I open Cubase, Cubase gets a signal (the meters move), this is not the case now.
At the moment I use the default DSP (Because of my ignorance).
Any ideas which leads I have to connect to make routing and recording work?

TIA.
Mr. Dee.

geraldandreas

i think you have to learn more about the DSP, try to use the ProFX-plugins.
scr=source, for example fx0/1, fx2/3 and also the inputs.
kxlt= the output to speaker, headphones, and mme-recording
asio=to go in a software for record.
try it and you´ll find the solution.
also important is the asio control-panel, you have to switch to 48khz 2/2, 8/8, or 16/16. it depends how many ins and outs you want.
regards,

mrdee

Thanks Gerald,
I've tried literally millions of things now, but I just cannot get out of it.
I think I just miss the odd connection in the default DSP setup, if I only knew what I'd probably be OK.
Everything works atm, except for sending Audio signals to Cubase and (obviously) recording Audio.

Russ

It is a little more complicated if you want to record from things like WMP, as you can end up with a loop (i.e. recording both WMP and Cubase's output). You best bet is to use a custom DSP setup, but it is hard to recommend a setup to use, as it would have to be specific to your needs and your speaker setup, etc.

In any case, to enable recording from WMP (using the default DSP), you will need to unmute (and set level to 100) the Wave Recording Level slider on the Recording page of kxmixer. Then look in the DSP to see how the RecL/RecR pins of xrouting are connected to the ASIO pins of epilog, to determine which ASIO inputs to use in Cubase (it uses ASIO 4/5 with my card, but I think it may be different with other card models (such as yours)).

You should really read the kX Help and the various guides in order to understand how the DSP works, and make your own custom DSP setup(s).

Maddogg6

OR - save your self a bunch of hassle - use CDEX (opensource CD Ripper)
And import ripped CD audio into cubase - its what I do.

recording CD is sort of a 'special' circumstance - as one may expect the analog CD input to work - but players may instead decode through audio through the IDE cable - to allow for ripping. Im pretty sure WMP and winamp are this way by default... but either way - you'll get better quality from ripping than recording the analog CD input.

mrdee

Thanks,
but I only mentioned about the CDs just to show that Cubase is not getting any Audio signal in.
I am not trying to record or rip CDs in Cubase, all I want is to be able to record fron line in and mic and record MIDI files as audio etc.

Thanks.
Mr. Dee.

Russ

For MIDI recording (using the kX Synths), you would want to unmute the Synth Recording Level slider on the Recording page of kxmixer (or make a connection from FxBus 2/3, to the ASIO pins of your choice, on epilog).

If you are not using the kX Synths (i.e. a softsynth), then you would do as I said previously with the Wave Recording level.

It is all just a matter of knowing where the signal enters the DSP, and making a connection from that point, to the ASIO pins on epilog, etc. (and, if using the default DSP setup, setting the various sliders in kxmixer correctly (which can be avoided using ProFx, but you still need to understand the DSP)).

mrdee

The Wave recording is active and on 100 % in the mixer, so is synth recording.
FXBus 2/3 to epilog made no difference.
Thx,
Mr. Dee.

Russ

What pins on epilog did you use?

Are you using the kX Synths?

mrdee

No.

Russ

Ok, so what are you using?
If you are using a softsyth like the MS GS Wavetable Synth, then it should use the Wave Recording Level path (i.e. the default sound device in the Control Panel). If you are using some other softsynth (or VSTi), then you need to figure out where it enters the DSP (what device is it set to use?), and make a connection from there to the ASIO pins on epilog.

mrdee

YEs, I use Wavetable, and sometimes Synth pludins such as B4II and the likes.

I do get MIDI Sound output, no Audio though.
Or rather, when I import a .wav into Cubase, it plays, I cannot record Audio though, not from the Line/Mic, nor from MIDI files.

Russ

Ahh, ok, so you are still not able to record anything at all?
Are you now able to see the kX ASIO inputs in Cubase? (from one of your previous replies, I am guessing that you can, but would like to verify this)

<edit>
Please read the following guide, and verify that Cubase is setup properly before doing anything else:
A Newbie Guide - "How to setup Cubase SX with KX"
</edit>

mrdee

Yes, I can see the ASIO inputs now.
(Set the card to 48000 as suggested).
Something else I have noticed now too:

Normally, I only get (on the transport bar) a signal from the "MIDI Out activity" meter, however, when I use one of my VST plugins (virtual instruments) such as B4 II etc., the transport bar gives a signal on the "Audio Activity (Output Channel 1)" meter. (Although it does not to seem to reach orange level, goes about halfway).
It also looks like Cubase is set up properly.

Russ

What version of kX are you using? (please give specific version)
Do you have the latest ProFx installed?

Knowing the above will make it easier to help you configure the DSP to do some testing, etc.

mrdee

I am using version 5, 10, 00, 3537.
I don't think I have the latest ProFx, going to the site shows me there are 2 versions, one for 3538L and one for 3534f.
I have no idea which one to download, also, I do not have a "profx_xxx.kxl" file in my folders.

However, back to the problem, I think it is only a matter of connecting one thing to the ASIO or WinMM recording input, but which one obviously remains the question.

Russ

Ok, you are using older version of kX, and cannot use the latest ProFx, so I will try to explain without using ProFx plugins.

I guess we should start with Line In or MIC (on the back of the card).
Clear the DSP, and then load the following plugins:
FxBus, prolog, peak (2 of them), and epilog.
Connect FxBus 0/1 (top 2 pins) to one of the peak plugins, and to the front speaker connections on epilog (top 2 pins).
Connect prolog (top 2 pins) to the other peak plugin, and to the ASIO 0/1 pins of epilog (pins 17/18).

Should look like this (with slight differences due to different card model): http://i13.tinypic.com/34dpi08.gif

(if you hold the mouse cursor over the pins, you will see a tooltip with the name of that pin/connection).

In kxmixer, on the 'Ins and Outs' page, unmute the ' AC97 In' slider, and set level to 0dB.
On the 'AC97' page of kxmixer, choose either MIC or Line In (which ever one you want to test) in the AC97 source selection combobox.

In the DSP, open the tweak window for the peak plugin that is connected to prolog and verify that you see a signal that responds to input from MIC or Line In.

In Cubase, set the recording input to ASIO 0/1, and output to ASIO 0/1, and try to record from MIC or Line In.

mrdee

Where can I get newer drivers or versions then?
On the main Kx site, the one I have seems to be the latest version.


I guess we should start with Line In or MIC (on the back of the card).
Clear the DSP, and then load the following plugins:
FxBus, prolog, peak (2 of them), and epilog.
Connect FxBus 0/1 (top 2 pins) to one of the peak plugins, and to the front speaker connections on epilog (top 2 pins).
Connect prolog (top 2 pins) to the other peak plugin, and to the ASIO 0/1 pins of epilog (pins 17/18).

Should look like this (with slight differences due to different card model): http://i13.tinypic.com/34dpi08.gif

(if you hold the mouse cursor over the pins, you will see a tooltip with the name of that pin/connection).

In kxmixer, on the 'Ins and Outs' page, unmute the ' AC97 In' slider, and set level to 0dB.
On the 'AC97' page of kxmixer, choose either MIC or Line In (which ever one you want to test) in the AC97 source selection combobox.

In the DSP, open the tweak window for the peak plugin that is connected to prolog and verify that you see a signal that responds to input from MIC or Line In.

In Cubase, set the recording input to ASIO 0/1, and output to ASIO 0/1, and try to record from MIC or Line In.[/quote]
I'm afraid it is not working.
I am not getting any signal in Cubase.
On the peak meter, there is a constant signal, even when I do nothing.

Thanks anyway Russ, I think it will have to be (very reluctantly) "Revert to old Creative drivers".

Russ

Newer versions are available in the forum (see the sticky threads in the General forum): 3538l released

Does the signal on the peak meter (in the DSP) respond to input from the MIC or Line In?. A low level (depending on how much gain is applied) constant signal is normal (i.e. noise floor). You need to be sure that you have a signal in the DSP (thus ensuring that kX is configured correctly) before trying to record anything. If the signal does not respond to input, then try clicking on the 'Reset AC97" button on the 'AC97' page of kxmixer (and then reselect the AC97 source if it changed), and try again. Also, Make sure tha the Gain slider on the 'AC97' page of kxmixer is not muted.

To be clear, the above is for MIC or Line In on the back of the card, not the connections on the front (drive bay).

You can also try recording using WinMME by connecting the same 2 prolog pins to the RecL/RecR pins on epilog (pins 15/16). If it does not work in Cubase (and you are sure that you are getting a signal in the DSP), try using Sound Recorder, etc.

mrdee

Thanks for all your help.
It is a shame, as KX gave me a wonderful sound and latency, but I have read exactly the same complaints from Audigy and Cubase users.
It seems it just will not work, so I had to go back to the standard Creative driver.
Maybe a specialist among you people will find a solution one day.

Thanks again,
Mr. Dee.