kX ASIO error message?

SFrond

Im trying to use BFD in Sonar. I loaded BFD Stero through the soft synth rack. I loaded BFD and loaded a drumset. Then I started entering random notes on the piano roll and hit play. When I do this I get the error message

Error creating input buffer #0: error = -2147024809 [size=4096]

E_INVALIDARG: Toobig latency and too many channels --resetting latency--
Retry?

Just for shits and giggles I tried doing this with no synth loaded and just entering some notes on a midi track and it seems to work fine.

I also did a search for this and it said something about my hardware acceleration not being set to full. It is . . what else could it be?

Maddogg6

My first suspician is that sonar isnt using KX asio - I have another ASIO driver on my system that will give me headaches...

Otherwise...

A bug in BFG... this has never happened to me in sonar with KX ASIO, and I have a fair ammount of DXi/VSi that I use (not ALL the time, but enough to see if they are buggy or not.)

Is three a stand alone version of BFD? - if so, try playing it with out sonar.

OR try playing with audio setting in sonar..
Like 'Share Drivers with other programs' is checked for me
turn off dithering.. Im using 'Pow-r 3' btw
Turn off 64bit precision
And of course make sure BFD is using a sample rate compatable with KX (16/48 only for ASIO) - but I think I get a different error in this case.

Maddogg6

Wait, I just noticed this...
Normally - I dont load a stand alone version -AND load it into the synth rack - I would do either or.. not both.

Edit: to get to BFD - dbl click on BFD in the synth rack - I HAVE seen some soft synths that wont work uless their UI screen is open this way.
end edit----

Not sure if thats what you mean here - and I dont know if you can have 2 instances of BFD at the same time, but I could see this as a possible mistake...??

Russ

That error also occurs if you try to access the same ASIO channel(s) from more than one program at the same time, so I would guess that Maddogg6 is right, and you had the standalone version, and the VST version open at the same time (using the same ASIO channel(s)).

Russ

For future reference here are some of the ASIO error messages that I have seen thus far and the causes:

Hardware Acceleration set to standard acceleration
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ASIO Driver Error:
kX ASIO Init error: no error
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Hardware Acceleration set to basic acceleration or off
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ASIO Driver Error:
kX ASIO Init error: Error initializing secondary kX ASIO buffer
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Trying to access the same ASIO channels from two different programs, or the latency setting is set too high
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Error creating input buffer #0: error = -2147024809 [size = 4096]
GetLastError()=2

E_INVALIDARG: Too big latency and too many channels -- resetting latency...
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The 'size =' (above) will vary, depending on the ASIO settings, and the above error is sometimes followed by:
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Failed to create ASIO buffers!
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I have also seen errors related to trying to use a sampling rate other than 48kHz, but those errors should be fairly obvious. i.e.
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Failed to set ASIO Sample Rate to 44.10 kHz!

Sample Clock not present!
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Maddogg6

Cool Russ. This list should be stickied or something...

SFrond

Thanks maddogg! And I am definatly saving that list for later, thanks Russ!

Alright . . Sounds like its a bad idea to load more than one instance of BFD. However. I was under the impression that one had to load the BFD VSTi plugin through Sonar AND load the BFD program itself? How else is one supposed to select different drumsets and change the micing options etc.? I think I might be missing a big part of this . . .

Edit: I also am wondering where the REWIRE appalet fits in? What is the difference between having sonar load BFD as a VSTi or as a Rewire? ::scratches head::

Maddogg6

Rewire in Sonar is better implemented (controller changes to change synth params in real time)
So I would use the rewire first..

Now - to change drum kits -
1) set program changes in the sonar track
or
2) dbl click on the BFD is the sonar synth rack (should open up a GUI to any soft synth this way - as I explained above)

You CAN also - assign multiple tracks to use the the same device on multiple midi channels - *possibly* using multiple kits if it has the ability programmed into it. - normally you assign another track to use a different channel to do this.

Maybe Ill D/L the BFD demo to have a look at it.

edit: no D/L demo available.. sorry

thomasabarnes

There is an option in SONAR to " Share drivers with other programs "under Options/Audio Advanced tab. HTH.

SFrond

Maddogg you must forgive me, most of what you posted didnt make much sense to me . Especially: "Rewire in Sonar is better implemented (controller changes to change synth params in real time)" ?? Its prolly the st. pattys hangover . . Ill read it again later lol.

thomasbarnes - Ok, I found that option. What will this allow me to do? Wont loading the BFD interface as well as the plugin through Sonar still cause problems? Or will it allow me setup kits and micing schemes through the BFD interface and have Sonar as a midi controller?

Maddogg6

Nevermind - its not really relative to your OP..

I was just noting that I have an easier time using Rewire than VSTi for Automation... But this may depend on what version of Sonar your using...
If you have a choice for loading BFD into the synth rack or FX bin as a VSTi OR a Rewire - I would use Rewire over VSTi.

Russ

BTW: You can have more then one program running that is using ASIO, the problem is if you try to use the same ASIO channel(s) within both programs.

thomasabarnes

SFrond:

Checking that option allows for you to run more than one ASIO program at the same time. I don't have BFD, but usually if a softsynth or sampler has a VSti/DXi version other than a StandAlone version, the VSTi/DXi version can be run alone in your Host Multitrack software. You should be able to acess all the kits from the VSTi interface. There should be no need to run the standalone and VSTi version at the same time.

You probably need to consult the BFD manual to familarize yourself with the BFD features and functionality.

Also about your situation with using the piano roll view for entering notes. Some drumkits only have sounds loaded on certain keys and other keys are empty. So, maybe, when you entered notes you were triggering keys that have no sound in them and BFD maybe didnt like that and you got the error message (just guessing, though). I guess you don't have a MIDI keyboard controller. That would be the best way to play BFD, if you ask me.

Anyway, goodluck.

SFrond

I am currently browsing an Fxpansion forum for a possible answer to this. I will bring up the sharing of ASIO channels and see what they say. I have been having some success using BFD as a rewire. This allows me to open up the BFD interface. However they are telling me that its a better option to use BFD through the DXi . . .
Anyway, I will post back here when I get this solved in case anyone else canuse this info.

Edit: Oh yeah, I am currently building a set of eDrums. I am ordering a Roland TD-7 and should be able to actually try this with a midi controller by the middle of next month.

Maddogg6

If other BFD users say it works better as a DXi - then give it a go - I made a generalized statement as I dont have BFD...

I wonder why your still looking to have 2 BFD's opened?? - do you want to use more than 1 BFD drum kit at one time??

I would ask those same BFD users if it IS possible to have 2 instanced of BFD open at 1 time (assuming you set up ASIO channels correctly to avoid your first problem).

*maybe* BFD is 'multi-timbral' capable - in that, 1 instance of BFD can have 2 drum kits on 2 different midi channels??

You should be able to open the BFD GUI interface from a DXi, VSTi or rewire... if not, then thats your real problem - not having 2 open at a time... You may need to re-install sonar if this is the case.

Can you open up ANY VST(or VSTi) GUI from dbl clicking on it in a tracks FX Bin?
What about DX (or DXi) GUI's?

SFrond

Hey madd,
I have already posted some questions regarding having two instances open at once and am awaiting a reply. Sadly there is only one chap really answering me and hes rather curt. I asked another question which I think you may have just answered; "How do I change drumkits and mic volumes/placement without the BFD interface?"

What is a GUI?

That being asked Im going to go try and locate it in the "FX Bin" . . What/where is that?

Edit: Also! Have you heard anything good/bad about http://www.asio4all.com/ ?

thomasabarnes

GUI= Graphical User Interface.

In SONAR load BFD DXi or VSTi via the Synth rack or Insert Softsynth on the toolbar. In the window that pops ups make sure you checkmark "Synth Property page" under Open these Windows. You see this option after you choose the SoftSynth you want to load (in your case BFD DXi or VSTi). The synth Property page is the GUI for the softsynth. And it's usually from the GUI that you access drumkits and other features/options of a softsynth.

Man you should really consult the BFD help file or manual. It most likely answers most of these questions you're asking.

Also, there are BFD users who post over at the SONAR forum, you can do a search for BFD at the SONAR forum. I saw 2 or 3 threads on BFD in the last 3 months, it may be relevant information in one of those threads.

Why use ASIOforALL? The kX ASIO driver is better. ASIOfor all is mainly for a soundcard that only has a wdm driver and then using it makes ASIO recording and playback possible. kX already has a ASIO driver, so no need to really use ASIO for all.

These are just my opinions.

What happened to the days when if one got a new softsynth, he/she would be glad to read the help file or manual to find out all about the new toy?

Anyway, goodluck and post if you need more help. Surely, somebody will help you.

SFrond

I certainly have read through all relevent Sonar and BFD information. I read through the entire BFD manual which was far from helpful and downloaded a video tutorial. It got me to the point of inserting the Synth and that was it. It presumes some prereq. knowlege. The Sonar manual was massive so I did what I could to search it and use the index. Believe me I would not presume to waste your time if I could find the answers easily somewhere else. I mean hell . . I dont like waiting. This having been said;
The Synth Property page is what did the trick!! Checking that box brang up what ive been calling the "BFD interface". (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ncZero/bfd.jpg)
See this would be an example of something I may have discovered by accident and surely wouldnt be an obvious thing to look for in the manual, but you have managed to make my night that much better. Danke!

thomasabarnes

You're welcome.