Using ASIO for Gituar. Very Noisy

Russ

Again, the ASIO inputs, into the DSP (out of the host) are on FxBus, with all the other software inputs (they are shared).

Asio (0/1) (out of the host) would be FxBus (0/1)
Asio (2/3) would be FxBus (2/3)
...
, etc.

Look in kX Router to see how they are assigned.

Maddogg6

Also - I should mention - that in the KX mixer (and Prolog) - this same behavior is accomplished by turning on the 'AC97 2 <> I2S' switch and using the 'AC97-2' level in KX Ins & Outs page.
Not sure why there was a change in names here?? But UDA = AC97-2 AFAIK.

ROBSCIX

OH OK..(LIGHT BULB) that what you mean...lol...that explains it, so if I assigne it to say 0,1 it will go into the surround..2,3 the frnt,4,5 the rears? That was my next thing the Router..I open the panel and click ASIO then I click ASIO 0 what are all the sliders for? I really, really appreciate this..

Russ

2/3 is for the kX Synth's (and ASIO (2/3)), not front (4/5), but you are starting to understand (and front/rear, etc., only applies to xrouting/Surrounder).

As for kX router, yours would be a lot different from mine, as you have more FX Sends, and more buses, but the sliders are to set the FX Send amounts, and the numbers are the FxBus pins. Look in kX help for more info.

ROBSCIX

OK, so I could use the SRC, and set it to the corresponding output fxbus0,1 for example and I could do it that way with no need fo having the FX bus loaded..correct?
so I could have:
ADC Linein/UDA > ASIO(plugin) 0,1

SRC fxbus0,1 > KLT1 fronts
sound right?
Well I guess I will test it out and tell you if I am right..lol..thx alot Russ much appreciated. The router is still a mystery but I got the basics down..I will have to read up on the rest. See what type of sound I can get...THX again

Russ

Yes.

Remember to adjust the line_in/UDA level appropriately for whatever preset you use on your RP100, and only use as much gain as is necessary to get the sound you want.

ROBSCIX

OK I tried to do a basic setup to make sure I understood everything....heres what I did..
Cleared DSP
I used a PROFX AC97 plugin et for line and I can see a level, i have that connected to PROFX ASIO plugin on asio 0,1 - this is my input to the app correct? -I have the application set for KX ASIO 0,1 -this seems fine.

For the output I set the app to KX out 0,1
I connect a SRC set for FXBUS 0,1 to a peak meter...I have no signal, I check every setting in SRC...what am I doing wrong here? first of all this should work correct?
I can get it all to work by using just a line but then I can't process the sound using VST...

Russ

What host are you using?
Did you see the signal in the host?

Maddogg6

Keep in mind - you wont HEAR the ADC/AC97 input unless:
1) ADC is also connected (via a mixer) in the dsp to an output (epilog or ProFx 10Klt) OR
2) Software monitoring is turned on in host (which sends its selected input to the selected ASIO out channels.)

ROBSCIX

THis is a sort of freeware FX processor, it allows you to load VST effects and use them with a guitar...
it's called Nials' pedal board..I think I got it from KVR..so I am trying to figure things out...This is actually a good little app..any ideas, would the setup I mentioned work? should that show me a outgoing signal?

Russ

Ok, I gave that a try. It doesn't have any indicators that a signal is present so it would be a little more difficult to use than other hosts, but:

Select your ASIO inputs and outputs.
Load a VST.
Click Start Audio and you should hear it.

Maddogg6

It works for me - just make sure you select the KX ASIO (Top of audio options - in Nial) - an then select the INPUT 10KX 0(/1) and OUTPUT 10Kx 0(/1)

Note: use 2 if using stereo, ot just 1 for mono - thus the parentheses above

ROBSCIX

You are using this with a default KX setup? you didn't change anything?

Maddogg6

I used a DSP setup you described earlier...

blown503

Are you usind good cables, not the $9.99 ones? bad cables around all the other wires on the back of a puter puts out crazy cross signals that one off cable might pick up.

blown503

oh another thing are you using the mic input or the line in?

Lex Nahumury

Actualy they *can* be active the same time.
Just not from the same analog input source.
There should be a preset demonstrating this.

Note that on most (if not all) audigy cards you will have 2x2 = 4 Seperate Analog Inputs!

That is why I wrote ADC in the first place; to give easy, simultanious access to those 4 analog inputs.

Also note that the ADC plugin's Peak meter only reflects AC97 signal.
Not UDA signal.
Hmm,..maybe I should write a small tutor for it or update my dsp guide for profx.

/Lex

PS:
Yes, UDA is the secondary codec AC97.2 only found on audigy cards.

Maddogg6

Ahhh - So it does do 2x2 = sweet Lex. The 'Record Source' stuff is a bit mis-leading tho...

I just noticed that when switching the UDA on - I need to reset the Record Source drop downs, as that seems to mute the AC97 outs. Using presets avoids this from happening. (I never used the presets before just now for ADC)

- prolly why I didnt notice its capability earlier.

Still ... Very cool.

Lex Nahumury

Yeah, although technicly correct (it refers to ac97's record source) it can be quite confusing I agree.

You see, this is a direct result of CL cards beeing designed for multi-media usage.
Packed with all kinds of diff. codecs hardwired in very strange ways just to accomodate
multi-media hype applications.
(semi-pro cards are generaly much more' simpeler' in design)

kX does a real great job in disclosing all those 'hidden' potentials to the user
but it doesn't necessarely make things 'easier' by doing so .

Unfortunatly there is no way to make kX interface easier without sacrifising
the flexibility most of us kX users have grown accustomed to.
I can't check this atm because I dont have my adgy installed. I'll have at look at it later.

/Lex.

Lex Nahumury

'Way to Go' Russ.. .

Russ

eh? I do not understand what you mean.

Lex Nahumury

I thought this was funny:

.... Nevermind tho.

ROBSCIX

I know that it adds two outs from the UDA codec..I just don't understand it's function..The Line_in can be routed through normal AC97, or I can hit the switch and it'll go through the UDA codec? What is the purpose of that? MEaning if I had CL drivers loaded when would the drivers use that extra codec? or is it the direct result of the cards being designed for multimedia applications?

Maddogg6

The UDA is a higher quality codec (I dont hear much of a difference tho) - and it hows I would record an AC97 input @ 24/96 (I DO hear the difference at this point - btw - being 24/96 now)
(Connect the AC97 <-> I2S switch - then select THAT I2S (I forget which one it is now, I2S-2 I think) as the P16V Record Source.

Its ALSO allow us Audigy people to record from 2 AC97 inputs seperately and independantly. (2x2 = 4 or 2 stereo) in other words record 4 mono tracks at 1 time. (in 16/48 only, as 24/96 only allows 1 input recorded at 1 time)

Lex Nahumury

LINE -\
MIC -- + ---- AC97.2(UDA) -------> DSP L&R
CD ---/
AUX -/
|
|
|---------- AC97.1 REC SOURCE ->DSP L&R


This is how it works,..... oeps have to eat,.. brb

OK,
UDA is fed with the output signal of AC97 Analog Mixer.
AC97 Rec Source can be selected as usual.

Suppose you select CD as AC97 Rec Source
and activate LINE-IN in AC97 Mixer,
then you'll have 2 x 2 = 4 seperate analog input signals at your dispossal!
(see ADC's preset: AC97 CD + UDA line)

Almost any weird combination is possible.
Note that since UDA is fed with analog mixer output of AC97 device,
it also 'inherits' ac97 noise.

Now you also may understand why I put the UDA switch in the Mixer section of ADC plugin.
It's because UDA is always fed with the output of that Mix!

Sorry, we didn't made it that way.

HTH,

/Lex.

Lex Nahumury

Hmm,.. i just installed a 10k2 card,
when I toggle ADC's UDA switch,
AC97 Rec Source remains active as it should be.
What card?

Maddogg6

I have a dual card setup - b